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I have a simple question

I have a simple question  

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  1. 1. Are these mass casualty incidents

    • Something we just need to learn to live with
    • Something which needs to be addressed and either reduced or eliminated


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Just now, Joe from WY said:

Not universally. 

Not universally, but he was talking about Syria.

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Just now, DoubleBlueGold said:

That's only true when drug producers are attempting to fight their and our authorities to smuggle them to the US and other consumer nations.

 

According to Holland and Portugal were drugs are legal, they are not "tied into each other the world over". [sic]

I don't think MC is arguing that drugs should be illegal. Frankly, if drugs were made more legal in the US, the violence problems south of the border in myriad countries would largely dry up. 

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Poor @mysfit

She just asked the most reasonable and tentative of questions in hopes we could find the smallest piece of common ground to move forward on together.

Nice work everybody.

 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, DoubleBlueGold said:

That's only true when drug producers are attempting to fight their and our authorities to smuggle them to the US and other consumer nations.

 

According to Holland and Portugal were drugs are legal, they are not "tied into each other the world over". [sic]

Yeah, I’m not for drug prohibition 

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8 minutes ago, toonkee said:

Poor @mysfit

She just asked the most reasonable and tentative of questions in hopes we could find the smallest piece of common ground to move forward on together.

Nice work everybody.

 

 

 

She asked a stupid question.

You are just too stupid to understand it was a stupid question.

The only possible way to achieve answer A is to kill everyone in the U.S..  Then there after you have eliminated mass shootings.

The only solutions she promotes are those that have proven not to work.    So answer B is stupid too.

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2 hours ago, Orange said:

It's always in the media's best interest to exaggerate danger ANYWHERE on earth, including South Chicago or South Central LA, or West Baltimore, or wherever else they can pique the interest and terror of latently racist white Iowans.

You are one naive dumb shit. It’s a good thing you live in isolated Oregon. Your lilly white ass wouldn’t last long in a place like So. Chicago or So Central LA. 

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1 hour ago, toonkee said:

Poor @mysfit

She just asked the most reasonable and tentative of questions in hopes we could find the smallest piece of common ground to move forward on together.

Nice work everybody.

 

 

 

And the leftist solution is always to control or eliminate guns. There are 400 million of them. That’s not a practical solution. The only two relatively short term solutions that I can think of are:

1) Go back to funding and treating the mentally ill and putting them in hospitals when necessary. Be more aware of the outcasts of society and get them help through counseling. 

2) Mass random shootings like the recent two are virtually impossible to stop. And in the scheme of things are an extremely small percentage of the shootings in the country. If we want to significantly reduce the murder rate we should be attacking the gang banger problem and making those neighborhoods safer. 

Besides those two there are a whole series of complex societal issues that are not easily fixed in the short term.

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2 minutes ago, soupslam1 said:

And the leftist solution is always to control or eliminate guns. There are 400 million of them. That’s not a practical solution. The only two immediate solutions that I can think of are:

1) Go back to funding and treating the mentally ill and putting them in hospitals when necessary. Be more aware of the outcasts of society and get them help through counseling. 

2) Mass random shootings like the recent two are virtually impossible to stop. And in the scheme of things are an extremely small percentage of the shootings in the country. If we want to significantly reduce the murder rate we should be attacking the gang banger problem and making those neighborhoods safer. 

Besides those two there are a whole series of complex societal issues in the short term that are not easily fixed. 

They do have a lot of other benefits though. The nice part of those two things is that reducing mass shootings will be a minor fringe benefits to what we enjoy from those actually good policies. 

Remember that every argument you have with someone on MWCboard is actually the continuation of a different argument they had with someone else also on MWCboard. 

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2 hours ago, MetropolitanCowboy said:

They scream for police reform...yet on mental health reform, they remain steadfastly silent. 

This could be an interesting, productive discussion. What would the mental health reform you're talking about look like?

All I know is that Trump's budget cut SAMHSA (mental health treatment programs) by $600 million and that Republicans have fought the ACA's medicaid expansion provisions which expanded access to mental health services to poor people.

 

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The correct answer is, both.

We need to work to reduce these incidents AND we need to learn to live with them.

 

“Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts.”

-Richard Feynman

"When buying and selling are controlled by legislation, the first things to be bought and sold are legislators."

-P.J. O’Rourke

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8 hours ago, mysfit said:

My point here is NOT to rehash the same arguments but to find out if we can even agree on whether or not we want to try and find a solution.

Good try but big fail on that.

Boom goes the dynamite.

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5 hours ago, bluerules009 said:

She asked a stupid question.

You are just too stupid to understand it was a stupid question.

The only possible way to achieve answer A is to kill everyone in the U.S..  Then there after you have eliminated mass shootings.

The only solutions she promotes are those that have proven not to work.    So answer B is stupid too.

^ ^ ^ Regression ^ ^ ^

Boom goes the dynamite.

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The point of this thread was to determine if we could all agree that MCAs were a problem which we think needs to be addressed.

 

Simple question. A yes or no question. Look at all the baggage everyone brings in to a black and white yes or no question.

 

Don't defend or attack, just consider how a yes/no question goes so badly off the rails and the impossibility of a solution is when you can't even start from a neutral place.

One of the Final Five..........

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17 hours ago, bluerules009 said:

She asked a stupid question.

You are just too stupid to understand it was a stupid question.

The only possible way to achieve answer A is to kill everyone in the U.S..  Then there after you have eliminated mass shootings.

The only solutions she promotes are those that have proven not to work.    So answer B is stupid too.

Just because you disagree with it doesn’t make it stupid.  It’s a fair question.  She’s not proposing any solutions or anything just asking if it’s a problem or not.  

thelawlorfaithful, on 31 Dec 2012 - 04:01 AM, said:One of the rules I live by: never underestimate a man in a dandy looking sweater

 

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21 hours ago, MetropolitanCowboy said:

Probably would have built bombs, like the Columbine kids.

Nobody can know that. But we do know they used legal, easily obtainable guns instead. 

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2 hours ago, mugtang said:

Just because you disagree with it doesn’t make it stupid.  It’s a fair question.  She’s not proposing any solutions or anything just asking if it’s a problem or not.  

He didn't call mysfit or myself stupid 8 times because he wanted to have a reasonable discussion. It's just harassment.

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2 hours ago, mysfit said:

The point of this thread was to determine if we could all agree that MCAs were a problem which we think needs to be addressed.

 

Simple question. A yes or no question. Look at all the baggage everyone brings in to a black and white yes or no question.

 

Don't defend or attack, just consider how a yes/no question goes so badly off the rails and the impossibility of a solution is when you can't even start from a neutral place.

I believe most answered your question and then elaborated on solutions which were practical and which weren’t. 

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