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Trump: Democratic Congresswomen should go back where they came from

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12 minutes ago, smltwnrckr said:

Hey man, I know and believe your frustrations. I'm not calling you a Trump supporter, even. And I was really trying to echo the sentiments you already stated about voting for a third party. You're probably more tied up about a lot of this than many on the left are.

But here we are. Seems pretty clear that the country is going to have to make a decision between what is worse - racism or socialism. It is what it is. I'm not sure what the right is supposed to do about it. But they are the ones who are going to have to deal with this mess in one way or another.

Except the choice is between racist tweets and socialist policy. 

We’re all sitting in the dugout. Thinking we should pitch. How you gonna throw a shutout when all you do is bitch.

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47 minutes ago, pokebball said:

Yes you are

Okay, then you're making a terrible assumption about AOC's "racism" remarks to Pelosi.  It goes both ways, even if Trump has a 45-year history of being a bigot, and AOC made one ambiguous comment in which she specifically said Pelosi's NOT a racist.  :rolleyes:

 

Know when you're beaten. 

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1 minute ago, thelawlorfaithful said:

Except the choice is between racist tweets and socialist policy. 

You don't think having a bald-faced racist for a president has implications for authoritarianism?    It's not just tweets.  He's using ICE like the gestapo.  He's targeting political enemies.  You think they won't eventually come after you next?

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2 minutes ago, Orange said:

You don't think having a bald-faced racist for a president has implications for authoritarianism?    It's not just tweets.  He's using ICE like the gestapo.  He's targeting political enemies.  You think they won't eventually come after you next?

Authoritarians don’t need implications, you know it when they’re there. ICE and the gestapo? Back to the kiddie table with you, adults are talking.

We’re all sitting in the dugout. Thinking we should pitch. How you gonna throw a shutout when all you do is bitch.

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3 minutes ago, #1Stunner said:

 

Only problem I have is when the charge of "Racism" isn't clearly defined.

I mean, I asked the question the other day on here, and a response was that white people are racist and wear boat shoes to weddings.   That's doesn't help....   Need to hear a specific explanation of what is racist.  Not a generalized charge of "white privilege".

 

If by Racist Laws vs Socialist Laws, I'd have to see what you are referring to.   Maybe the position that detaining and/or deporting undocumented immigrants is racist?  Is that the policy?

 Other than that, I'd have to hear how the Republican Tax Policy, Health Care Policy, Trade Policy, etc = Racist.

Sure, it's clearly defined. The charge of racism is that Trump wants to limit immigration because the people coming to this country are not white enough to his liking. It's a pretty clear, straightforward charge. It's one that has been levied at conservative immigration restrictionists long before Trump came around and instituted their desires through executive power. It's a dynamic that has existed in immigration debates in this country going back to its founding. Brown people, not the right kind of American. White people, the right kind of American. All other arguments (crime, welfare, jobs, love of America) are put in place to service that fundamental idea. That is the 411 on what people say the Trumpian approach to immigration represents. 

I'm not making the argument. I'm just explaining it, and pointing out that reasonable people used to be able to make reasonable arguments against that charge. That's getting to be a harder and harder thing to do If the architects of the policies publicly betray their own racist inclinations. 

Planning is an exercise of power, and in a modern state much real power is suffused with boredom. The agents of planning are usually boring; the planning process is boring; the implementation of plans is always boring. In a democracy boredom works for bureaucracies and corporations as smell works for skunk. It keeps danger away. Power does not have to be exercised behind the scenes. It can be open. The audience is asleep. The modern world is forged amidst our inattention.

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7 minutes ago, Orange said:

You clearly didn't read my post and can't follow a conversation.  

You clearly don't understand that throwing the racism card is a major tool of the progressives.   It is used to squash valid criticism.  It's use is getting very old to many voters.

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11 minutes ago, thelawlorfaithful said:

Except the choice is between racist tweets and socialist policy. 

So you have faith that our institutions will protect us from a dynamic that is clearly part of the fabric of this country's history and played a role in its foundational structure, but not from a dynamic that never really was able to get a foothold for various reasons?

And as long as Steven Miller is around, it's not just tweets. 

Planning is an exercise of power, and in a modern state much real power is suffused with boredom. The agents of planning are usually boring; the planning process is boring; the implementation of plans is always boring. In a democracy boredom works for bureaucracies and corporations as smell works for skunk. It keeps danger away. Power does not have to be exercised behind the scenes. It can be open. The audience is asleep. The modern world is forged amidst our inattention.

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14 minutes ago, thelawlorfaithful said:

Except the choice is between racist tweets and socialist policy. 

I don’t think they have to be mutually inclusive. Trump’s a f’ing embarrassing POS and I think Orange is right in so much as people are going to go after that turd when an opportunity presents itself. His ego is writing checks his ass can’t cash. 

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11 minutes ago, thelawlorfaithful said:

Authoritarians don’t need implications, you know it when they’re there. ICE and the gestapo? Back to the kiddie table with you, adults are talking.

Please explain the difference between ICE tearing children away from one or more parents, and the Gestapo.  I suppose the Gestapo took the kids as well, but it's the same in all other ways.  The immigrants they go after frequently committed zero crimes, apart from existing within our borders.

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4 minutes ago, Jackrabbit said:

You clearly don't understand that throwing the racism card is a major tool of the progressives.   It is used to squash valid criticism.  It's use is getting very old to many voters.

I think the problem is you voters are just getting old.  Again, telling American citizens of color to "go back to Africa" is racist by ANY measure.  Except that of a repreheisible bigot like you.

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7 minutes ago, Orange said:

I think the problem is you voters are just getting old.  Again, telling American citizens of color to "go back to Africa" is racist by ANY measure.  Except that of a repreheisible bigot like you.

Wow....since sensitive , diverse and tolerant progressives love new words....look up agism.  

 

 

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Just now, Jackrabbit said:

Wow....since sensitive , diverse and tolerant progressives love new words....look up agism.  

 

 

Wow...you're still coming back to this thread to take up for a clearly racist president, while simultaneously insisting you're not racist?

 

You lose, gramps.

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1 minute ago, halfmanhalfbronco said:

Old and white? Sounds like a Nazi to me.

I've got no problem with old voters, until they insist upon a pre-civil rights policy platform.  Then it becomes clear the elderly have lost touch.

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By the way, I'm not arguing that all Trump voters, Trump supporters, Republicans and conservatives are racist. I'm arguing that Trump is racist, and that is becoming increasingly clear, and that his election has put the GOP and conservatives in a bit of a bind ideologically.

I have some sympathy for the people on this board who hate Trump but still think the Democrats are worse. I don't necessarily agree, but I don't think that many of you are acting in bad faith. But people have gotten testy for years when race comes up in these conversations, and at a certain point it can't be ignored.

Planning is an exercise of power, and in a modern state much real power is suffused with boredom. The agents of planning are usually boring; the planning process is boring; the implementation of plans is always boring. In a democracy boredom works for bureaucracies and corporations as smell works for skunk. It keeps danger away. Power does not have to be exercised behind the scenes. It can be open. The audience is asleep. The modern world is forged amidst our inattention.

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2 hours ago, Jackrabbit said:

Not defending trump....but....

Why does no one ever find it offensive that these progressive congressional upstarts constantly run down this country? More Americans find this offensive.  

These folks , who found great life changing success here, call us racist , xenophobic rigged, etc etc.   Something they would have never found in the shit hole countries they came from.

While trumps stupid comment is divisive...its not racist to point out hypocrisies. 

Disagreeing with progressives is now racist and you guys buy in on it.

I mean the country they came from is the US. One was born elsewhere and came as a child. 

Should we have told Trump to go back to Germany when he was campaigning on how bad the US had fallen. His campaign slogan was about how bad America was and needing to make it great again. So if we are pointing out hypocrisy.

But I suppose that was different for reasons(most definitely not because of the differences in their skin tone) 

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The comments about how dumb trump is and how he doesn't think these things through are missing the point. I think this was a calculated strategy. Not claiming it is a good one and won't bite them in the butt but I see the logic. 

 

In Trump's world everyone hates the 4 congresswomen he attacked. His attack is forcing the dems to defend them which will tie all dems to these 4 thus reducing the favorabilty of the entire party.

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