Do You Ever Stop and ask Yourself Why?

[modestobulldog]

Family breakdown: this leads kids to a  greater risk of abuse, crime, lower academic achievement, substance abuse, suicide, and emotional instability and turmoil.  Family courts don't give a crap about the kids, it is all about the money.  I am surprised this topic hasn't come up on this forum for discussion on this mostly male dominated board.  I suspect most divorced men on this board feel the system was less than fair to men as related to custody, support, and division of assets. Probably some men have been raped by the system.  Many parents, especially ones on welfare don't give a crap about their kids education and don't discipline their kids.  When they misbehave at school, they get angry at the teacher instead of discipline the kid.  Get in trouble with the law, rinse and repeat with the police and the courts / criminal justice system.

Education: the higher the level of federal and state government involvement the lower the quality in the local classroom.  My dad went to a one room schoolhouse thru 8th grade.  The teacher divided into 4 clusters and would teach one group at a time while the others were supposed to be studying. Of course that didn't happen, kids would continue to slyly listen to the teacher.  He said it was a pretty good education, by the time you finished 8th grade, you heard everything 8 times. Current education is more and more about propaganda, indoctrination, scapegoating, and victim Olympics. Discipline and academic achievement are incidental to moving the kids along while collecting a good paycheck and growing a pension. Union dues go to lower teacher demands, while increasing pay.  Probably half the college grads and programs aren't worth crap, and certainly not worth the investment in time, effort, resources, and debt.

Government: when it gets beyond core services, it can really phuck things up.  The obvious - "Affordable" housing, "affordable" health care, "affordable" college education. The WARS both physical and social have mostly been an abomination and a waste of money.  It is funny, the Bible says to take care of your kids and take care of your parents in their old age.  It also encouraged savings and avoidance of debt. The government comes up with the cocamamy Social Security system with false promises for all, but instead of investing for the future, spends money on wars and wealth redistribution.  Nobody wants pollution, few want discrimination, greater access for the disabled is good, but these and other programs have gone off the rails with endless cancerous proliferation of regulations and associated bureaucracy / compliance reporting. Punitive punishment for incidental non-compliance.  This makes investment in production facilitates more attractive overseas than domestic.  Employment regulations are another area ripe with abuse, we are a long way from the needed child labor laws.  Government unfairly tips the scales in favor of Unions. We could go on indefinitely on government abuse and waste.

Tax policy: many concerns, but one I will mention is hurting families wanting to buy a home by tilting the scales in favor of landlords. The depreciation deduction should only be allowed on new construction where there is an increase in supply of housing.

Feminism / Racism: huge gains have occurred in the last couple generations. We have already had a minority president, it won't be long until a woman becomes POTUS.  Look at Congress, it becomes more diverse every election. Instead of celebration of successes and minor adjustments, people are irrationally branded racist and Nazi.  Accomplished female and black conservatives are demonized by the feminist and black organizations that should be celebrating and embracing success and discussion / evaluation of the merits of diverse points of view.  In my opinion, once great organizations such as SPLC started out with noble purpose, but have become repungnent organizations.

Self esteem movement:. The biggest load of crap foisted on America resulting in a entitlement mentally.

That is a start, I could go on.

[soupslam1]

4 hours ago, modestobulldog said:

Family breakdown: this leads kids to a  greater risk of abuse, crime, lower academic achievement, substance abuse, suicide, and emotional instability and turmoil.  Family courts don't give a crap about the kids, it is all about the money.  I am surprised this topic hasn't come up on this forum for discussion on this mostly male dominated board.  I suspect most divorced men on this board feel the system was less than fair to men as related to custody, support, and division of assets. Probably some men have been raped by the system.  Many parents, especially ones on welfare don't give a crap about their kids education and don't discipline their kids.  When they misbehave at school, they get angry at the teacher instead of discipline the kid.  Get in trouble with the law, rinse and repeat with the police and the courts / criminal justice system.

Education: the higher the level of federal and state government involvement the lower the quality in the local classroom.  My dad went to a one room schoolhouse thru 8th grade.  The teacher divided into 4 clusters and would teach one group at a time while the others were supposed to be studying. Of course that didn't happen, kids would continue to slyly listen to the teacher.  He said it was a pretty good education, by the time you finished 8th grade, you heard everything 8 times. Current education is more and more about propaganda, indoctrination, scapegoating, and victim Olympics. Discipline and academic achievement are incidental to moving the kids along while collecting a good paycheck and growing a pension. Union dues go to lower teacher demands, while increasing pay.  Probably half the college grads and programs aren't worth crap, and certainly not worth the investment in time, effort, resources, and debt.

Government: when it gets beyond core services, it can really phuck things up.  The obvious - "Affordable" housing, "affordable" health care, "affordable" college education. The WARS both physical and social have mostly been an abomination and a waste of money.  It is funny, the Bible says to take care of your kids and take care of your parents in their old age.  It also encouraged savings and avoidance of debt. The government comes up with the cocamamy Social Security system with false promises for all, but instead of investing for the future, spends money on wars and wealth redistribution.  Nobody wants pollution, few want discrimination, greater access for the disabled is good, but these and other programs have gone off the rails with endless cancerous proliferation of regulations and associated bureaucracy / compliance reporting. Punitive punishment for incidental non-compliance.  This makes investment in production facilitates more attractive overseas than domestic.  Employment regulations are another area ripe with abuse, we are a long way from the needed child labor laws.  Government unfairly tips the scales in favor of Unions. We could go on indefinitely on government abuse and waste.

Tax policy: many concerns, but one I will mention is hurting families wanting to buy a home by tilting the scales in favor of landlords. The depreciation deduction should only be allowed on new construction where there is an increase in supply of housing.

Feminism / Racism: huge gains have occurred in the last couple generations. We have already had a minority president, it won't be long until a woman becomes POTUS.  Look at Congress, it becomes more diverse every election. Instead of celebration of successes and minor adjustments, people are irrationally branded racist and Nazi.  Accomplished female and black conservatives are demonized by the feminist and black organizations that should be celebrating and embracing success and discussion / evaluation of the merits of diverse points of view.  In my opinion, once great organizations such as SPLC started out with noble purpose, but have become repungnent organizations.

Self esteem movement:. The biggest load of crap foisted on America resulting in a entitlement mentally.

That is a start, I could go on.

Nothing wrong with self esteem unless helicopter parents try too hard to give it to you ( the everyone gets a trophy syndrome) and never let you take a few hard knocks to recognize your faults and sense of self. 

[SDSUfan]

On 6/15/2019 at 5:30 PM, toonkee said:

Why are more socialist ideas and policies gaining traction?

Why nationalist and isolationist ideas have become popular, not just in the US but in other places in the world?

Why a guy like Trump won and why a guy like Bernie could win?

What are the typical conditions that lead to these realities?

 

 

 

 

I don't think there are clear, widely accepted definitions of any of these terms.  Most people are an amalgam of all of these things.

The general zeitgeist of the moment is that people are wildly dissatisfied with our leaders/ elites in all areas of society.

[NevadaFan]

The delta between rich and poor was WAY larger in the late 1800s early 1900s. Carnegie, Rockefeller, Vanderbilt, et al’s wealth and power dwarfed the riches that today’s billionaires wield.  

The fact is, the America Dream = entire generations of (primarily white) Americans were buying homes and building wealth from the ground up. As that wealth was passed from one generation to the next — in the form of education and material wealth — it has created a delta from which other races are playing catch-up. And as someone has noted, as a democracy evolves the economy naturally makes the lowest paying jobs less and less desirable (inflation). 50 years ago you could scrape by - but through hard work you could build a foundation. If you don’t make x amount today you are homeless. 

The idea of socialism is born from desperation and ignorance. People need help and our dip chit President is too busy tweeting to notice or care. 

[Orange]

On 6/15/2019 at 8:21 PM, soupslam1 said:

Socialism has the idealistic and noble mentality of trying to create equality for all. All working for the good of all. Human nature being what it is, in that situation why work harder if the government is going to take and distribute whatever extra I earn and I get the same as everyone else. Or, why not barely work as Im still going to get the same as everyone else. The government will take care of me. People are naturally lazy if it doesn’t directly benefit them. That mentality drags everyone down. The result a poorer standard of life for everyone. 

Capitalism works because people are naturally greedy. They want more and better stuff. Most recognize if they are smart and work harder than others they will have a much more comfortable life. The benefit of capitalism is potential upward mobility for all that are willing to work hard. The result a wider range between poor and rich. 

Both are obviously generalizations and the extremes, but greed has proven it prevails over altruism. 

Incredibly lazy, and inarticulate description of democratic socialism.  And incredibly convenient, and lazily inaccurate description of capitalism.  You've totally ignored how it corrupts government processes and cheats the working class.

[Joe from WY]

29 minutes ago, Orange said:

Incredibly lazy, and inarticulate description of democratic socialism.  And incredibly convenient, and lazily inaccurate description of capitalism.  You've totally ignored how it corrupts government processes and cheats the working class.

Oh bullshit. Everyone knows you're a "socialist" because you failed at life and this is your way to get back at the successful people who have left you in the dust...or theatre in your case. 

[halfmanhalfbronco]

On 6/15/2019 at 11:51 PM, soupslam1 said:

I don’t think they are lazy. They look at the stress and long hours to get ahead in the work place and don’t feel it’s worth the impact on their quality of life. Not only that, colleges have become bastions of liberalism that promote socialism. Look at some of the classes and majors that exist today. The current generation doesn’t think like the generation of 30-40 years ago. And the older generation didn’t think like the generation before them. 

Too bad there aren’t a lot of younger members on the board that would have better insight. 

There are several studies that show you are full of shit and millenials work harder then their older counterparts. Im in my late 20's.  Started a job at a fortune 500 tech company taking +++++ing phone calls as I desperately needed the insurance, after a catastrophic illness laid me up for the better part of a year. 

9 months later im work force management and have ran off about 30 boomers because I make them do things like work when they clock in, allow them only 2 smoke breaks and 1 30 minute lunch and expect them to take them when scheduled, dont allow them to use company time and equipment for personal matters and ran uptrainings about talking and typing at the same time.  Most their positions have been filled by millennials who know how to do those things and are super competitive with their stats.

Boomers are the most worthless entitled generation in human history and we should just store them underground and use their bodies as batteries to power the technology they do not understand. 

[halfmanhalfbronco]

I would like to point out that both @Orange and @Joe from WY like reacted my post. 

Boomers suck. 

[Orange]

I don't hold it against boomers themselves, but their generation has been the biggest resource-drain in recorded human history.  That many of them resent this and take no political action as a result of the natural consequences of their own generation is disturbing.  Politically, they disproportionately seem to be all about getting to the top of the wall and pulling the ladder up quickly to save themselves.  

[NevadaFan]

28 minutes ago, Orange said:

I don't hold it against boomers themselves, but their generation has been the biggest resource-drain in recorded human history.  That many of them resent this and take no political action as a result of the natural consequences of their own generation is disturbing.  Politically, they disproportionately seem to be all about getting to the top of the wall and pulling the ladder up quickly to save themselves.  

By in large, people are a product of the environment from which they are born. Maybe they are that way for a reason? Maybe kids today seem to have simplified answers to difficult issues and throw a temper tantrum on social media if someone has a different opinion?? Maybe they worry about incredibly stupid shit — like the Kardashian’s? Maybe when they age their world view will evolve?

[halfmanhalfbronco]

26 minutes ago, Orange said:

I don't hold it against boomers themselves, but their generation has been the biggest resource-drain in recorded human history.  That many of them resent this and take no political action as a result of the natural consequences of their own generation is disturbing.  Politically, they disproportionately seem to be all about getting to the top of the wall and pulling the ladder up quickly to save themselves.  

The men and women of the greatest generation handed the boomers everything.  Boomers never had to work and worry the way Gen X and millenials do, generally speaking, to have a comfortable standard of living.  They destroyed our advantages in infrastructure, education and whittled away our advantages we still hold in so many other areas. They destroyed entire ecosystems across the globe and are soley responsible for todays political climate. 

I think that is why boomers are so entitled and refuse to work as hard as millennials.  Very, very lazy generation that thinks they are owed something by their kids and grand kids generations. They did create the welfare and nanny state and traded away our liberties for "protection" so what do you expect?

 

[halfmanhalfbronco]

4 minutes ago, NevadaFan said:

By in large, people are a product of the environment from which they are born. Maybe they are that way for a reason? Maybe kids today seem to have simplified answers to difficult issues and throw a temper tantrum on social media if someone has a different opinion?? Maybe they worry about incredibly stupid shit — like the Kardashian’s? Maybe when they age their world view will evolve?

Boomers and Gen Xers are the ones who cant treat eachother decently on facebook. 

Millenials generally stick to memes about wanting to die. 

[modestobulldog]

2 hours ago, halfmanhalfbronco said:

There are several studies that show you are full of shit and millenials work harder then their older counterparts. Im in my late 20's.  Started a job at a fortune 500 tech company taking +++++ing phone calls as I desperately needed the insurance, after a catastrophic illness laid me up for the better part of a year. 

9 months later im work force management and have ran off about 30 boomers because I make them do things like work when they clock in, allow them only 2 smoke breaks and 1 30 minute lunch and expect them to take them when scheduled, dont allow them to use company time and equipment for personal matters and ran uptrainings about talking and typing at the same time.  Most their positions have been filled by millennials who know how to do those things and are super competitive with their stats.

Boomers are the most worthless entitled generation in human history and we should just store them underground and use their bodies as batteries to power the technology they do not understand. 

We reside in the shade of the greatest generation.

[East Coast Aztec]

31 minutes ago, NevadaFan said:

By in large, people are a product of the environment from which they are born. Maybe they are that way for a reason? Maybe kids today seem to have simplified answers to difficult issues and throw a temper tantrum on social media if someone has a different opinion?? Maybe they worry about incredibly stupid shit — like the Kardashian’s? Maybe when they age their world view will evolve?

Think of all the first world problem bullshit that would have been posted in the 60s through 80s if social media existed.  They created Woodstock and drug culture because they couldn't deal with their existing atmosphere.  It is ridiculous to think that the current generation is alone in their need for attention and complaining.

[modestobulldog]

mug - generalizations that make me / my team / my tribe look good should be allowed.  However, HMHB is generalizing against Baby Boomers.  Give him a timeout or make him stand in the corner for a while.  Thank you.

[modestobulldog]

4 minutes ago, East Coast Aztec said:

Think of all the first world problem bullshit that would have been posted in the 60s through 80s if social media existed.  They created Woodstock and drug culture because they couldn't deal with their existing atmosphere.  It is ridiculous to think that the current generation is alone in their need for attention and complaining.

We need a victim olympics thread.

[thelawlorfaithful]

The Boomers were awful. Now they’re the only generation interested in saving the country. Long live the Boomers!

[halfmanhalfbronco]

7 minutes ago, modestobulldog said:

mug - generalizations that make me / my team / my tribe look good should be allowed.  However, HMHB is generalizing against Baby Boomers.  Give him a timeout or make him stand in the corner for a while.  Thank you.

Mug hates us both and will tell you that.  He is an Xer 

[And?]

 

2 hours ago, halfmanhalfbronco said:

 

9 months later im work force management and have ran off about 30 boomers because I make them do things like work when they clock in, allow them only 2 smoke breaks and 1 30 minute lunch and expect them to take them when scheduled, dont allow them to use company time and equipment for personal matters and ran uptrainings about talking and typing at the same time.  Most their positions have been filled by millennials who know how to do those things and are super competitive with their stats.

 

I think the problem is the boomers actually realize the tortuous, draconian work environment you just laid out is full of shit and a better fit for something without a brain. Get with the times. 

[mugtang]

8 minutes ago, halfmanhalfbronco said:

Mug hates us both and will tell you that.  He is an Xer 

I’m in that 8 year window that is between gen x and millennial.  I’m an Xennial.