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3 minutes ago, smltwnrckr said:

Two of the best songwriters of the 90s made one of the worst albums ever together.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calling_Zero

Haha. I forgot how terrible that was. 

On an aside, re: supergroups, in some respects the Silver Jews were a sort of indie rock supergroup. (Malkmus from Pavement + Dave Berman + others) and they were really good. "American Water" is one of my favorite albums of the 90s. 

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3 minutes ago, Joe from WY said:

Cream didn't. The Traveling WIlburys didn't. 

Many do suck, but many don't. 

Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young certainly didn't suck either. And still wouldn't. One of the highlights of my concert-going career was seeing CS&N at the Hollywood Bowl several years ago and watching David Crosby and Graham Nash sing an a cappella version of Wooden Ships from their first album. Particularly for guys of their age it was amazing and any band which includes Neil Young is top notch.

Boom goes the dynamite.

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54 minutes ago, toonkee said:

There's a problem with this.

Supergroups all suck.

Jazz is a better forum for supergroups than rock music, since it highlights group cohesiveness and individual achievement in improvisation. And there were a number of jazz supergroups that came together for a minute. I think the best one is Miles Davis' 1958 group. That's the definition of a supergroup. 

Planning is an exercise of power, and in a modern state much real power is suffused with boredom. The agents of planning are usually boring; the planning process is boring; the implementation of plans is always boring. In a democracy boredom works for bureaucracies and corporations as smell works for skunk. It keeps danger away. Power does not have to be exercised behind the scenes. It can be open. The audience is asleep. The modern world is forged amidst our inattention.

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2 minutes ago, Joe from WY said:

Haha. I forgot how terrible that was. 

On an aside, re: supergroups, in some respects the Silver Jews were a sort of indie rock supergroup. (Malkmus from Pavement + Dave Berman + others) and they were really good. "American Water" is one of my favorite albums of the 90s. 

You're a man of supreme tastes. American Water is the f*cking balls. Great summer driving album. 

Planning is an exercise of power, and in a modern state much real power is suffused with boredom. The agents of planning are usually boring; the planning process is boring; the implementation of plans is always boring. In a democracy boredom works for bureaucracies and corporations as smell works for skunk. It keeps danger away. Power does not have to be exercised behind the scenes. It can be open. The audience is asleep. The modern world is forged amidst our inattention.

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2 minutes ago, toonkee said:

Cream...eh...not overly impressed. Badge is kind of a cool tune (written by Gieorge Harrisson and Clapton, though). Most Cream just felt like Ginger Baker and Eric Clapton jerking off.

I'll accept that the Wilburys were pretty decent but clearly an exception to the rule.

 

I like Cream...I think "Live Cream" and "Live Cream vol. 2" were great albums...and I think "Tales of Brave Ulysses" was one of the most mind-opening songs I ever heard the first time I heard it. 

But yes. They are exceptions to the rule. Most "supergroups" are shit. There seems to be a phenomenon amongst people form the 80s Punk Scene now to form "punk supergroups" which is a terrible +++++ing idea and nothing good has come out of it. I guess Jello Biafra and DOA was good, but that's again, an exception not a rule.

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2 minutes ago, smltwnrckr said:

You're a man of supreme tastes. American Water is the f*cking balls. Great summer driving album. 

As are you. I knew if anyone else could appreciate that album/reference it was you. 

My band covered "Buckingham Rabbit" at the Law School Benefit this year. It was wild. 

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7 minutes ago, SleepingGiantsFan said:

Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young certainly didn't suck either. And still wouldn't. One of the highlights of my concert-going career was seeing CS&N at the Hollywood Bowl several years ago and watching David Crosby and Graham Nash sing an a cappella version of Wooden Ships from their first album. Particularly for guys of their age it was amazing and any band which includes Neil Young is top notch.

They were the quintessential super group to be sure. And one of my all time favorite groups. Cream and the Wilburys were just in my head as they were on a Spotify playlist I had put together yesterday.

I've seen Neil Young 3 times with 3 different iterations of bands...Once with Crazy Horse, once in a Buffalo Springfield reunion, and once as CSNY, all at the Bridge School Benefit (RIP). He's timeless. Stephen Stills was the UF Commencement speaker this year too and pissed off a lot of people because they "had to google him to find out who he was". He's +++++ing legend, that's who he is...and David Crosby is a madman and someone I'd love to spend an afternoon drinking with. Nash too was supremely talented. 

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4 minutes ago, toonkee said:

Cream...eh...not overly impressed. Badge is kind of a cool tune (written by Gieorge Harrisson and Clapton, though). Most Cream just felt like Ginger Baker and Eric Clapton jerking off.

I'll accept that the Wilburys were pretty decent but clearly an exception to the rule.

Those long solos could indeed get tedious in retrospect, particularly like the Ginger Baker drum solo number Toad. However, I urge you to try to find a copy of the FIRST farewell concert video. It's interspersed with studio interviews of each of the three. Check out Ginger Baker. The guy explains why he used a double bass setup and shows how he was able to do so. Such virtuosity doesn't come around too often.

Boom goes the dynamite.

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3 minutes ago, SleepingGiantsFan said:

Those long solos could indeed get tedious in retrospect, particularly like the Ginger Baker drum solo number Toad. However, I urge you to try to find a copy of the FIRST farewell concert video. It's interspersed with studio interviews of each of the three. Check out Ginger Baker. The guy explains why he used a double bass setup and shows how he was able to do so. Such virtuosity doesn't come around too often.

Ginger Baker was a Jazz Drummer initially I think, which explains why he could do anything on the drums. So talented. Especially in that video you're talking about. 

I think someone like Cream has to be viewed in context too...when that came out, it must've sounded like something from outer space. I always wish I could have lived back then to have experienced that groundbreaking sound movement (across artists) in rock that occurred in the mid-late 60s. It must've been mind blowing. My dad told me that when he heard "Are You Experienced?" for the first time, they all just sat there in amazement for like an hour after the album had finished, wondering what the hell they had just stumbled onto. 

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14 minutes ago, Joe from WY said:

They were the quintessential super group to be sure. And one of my all time favorite groups. Cream and the Wilburys were just in my head as they were on a Spotify playlist I had put together yesterday.

I've seen Neil Young 3 times with 3 different iterations of bands...Once with Crazy Horse, once in a Buffalo Springfield reunion, and once as CSNY, all at the Bridge School Benefit (RIP). He's timeless. Stephen Stills was the UF Commencement speaker this year too and pissed off a lot of people because they "had to google him to find out who he was". He's +++++ing legend, that's who he is...and David Crosby is a madman and someone I'd love to spend an afternoon drinking with. Nash too was supremely talented. 

Stills now puts on an annual summer concert in Hollywood for the organization Autism Speaks and he always has his autistic son on stage playing a snare drum plus autistic young people performing as solo artists. I think they've done it four times and my friends and I have attended the last three. They're quite pricey but the money goes to a great cause and some of the performances have blown us away.

Last year Patti Smith showed up. I've never been a fan but she got a well deserved standing ovation which lasted a couple minutes. I know she had a bad drug problem for many years but these days she looks terrific. Much healthier than I can recall seeing her ever before and her pipes are still good too. Way too many high quality artists to be able to remember them all but Neil always comes down too and it's nice to see that he and Steve are now friendly again.

Edit: Jack Black always hosts and that in itself is almost worth the price of admission.

Boom goes the dynamite.

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20 minutes ago, Joe from WY said:

I like Cream...I think "Live Cream" and "Live Cream vol. 2" were great albums...and I think "Tales of Brave Ulysses" was one of the most mind-opening songs I ever heard the first time I heard it. 

But yes. They are exceptions to the rule. Most "supergroups" are shit. There seems to be a phenomenon amongst people form the 80s Punk Scene now to form "punk supergroups" which is a terrible +++++ing idea and nothing good has come out of it. I guess Jello Biafra and DOA was good, but that's again, an exception not a rule.

Ulysses always felt to me like they were trying too hard to make a trippy song.  It just doesn't feel feel authentic like "White Rabbit".

Kinda like all the fake grunge bands that popped up after the big ones form Seattle.

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12 hours ago, thelawlorfaithful said:

Let’s play a game. You get 5 slots to make a band and you can pick anyone living or dead. Try to make a band you could see making an album at least as good as anything they made in real life. No double dipping. You don’t get Paul the bassist and Paul the singer/songwriter for the price of one. That’s two of your five slots. So you can’t even make the Beatles under these rules.

 

12 hours ago, thelawlorfaithful said:

John Bonham on drums

Flea on bass

John Fruiscante on lead guitar

Bradley Nowell as singer and guitarist

Pros: Nowell would be a step up from Keidis vocally, and his eclectic style would mesh well with the Chili Peppers duo. Bonham makes every band better and I’d fight you on this point.

Cons: there’s no way they aren’t all dead by the second album. Too many push the drug limit personalities. But that first album would be at least as good as anything Sublime or the Chili Peppers made.

What say you?

I thought about your Bonham comment for while and struggled to counter it until I thought of the GOATS. Bonham would not have made the Beatles or Stones better.  Ringo and Watts are certainly not the greatest musicians, but what comes from their drumming was integral and critical to the je ne sais quoi of those bands. 

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7 minutes ago, toonkee said:

Ulysses always felt to me like they were trying too hard to make a trippy song.  It just doesn't feel feel authentic like "White Rabbit".

Kinda like all the fake grunge bands that popped up after the big ones form Seattle.

It was among the earliest documented use of the Wah Wah Pedal though, so for that, it's groundbreaking insofar as that. 

I agree, though, it wasn't as authentic as something like "White Rabbit" (Hell, even the whole Surrealistic Pillow album), but the Airplane was an organic bunch of SF Hippies, whereas Cream was a creation of a record label more or less. 

Still, I always found it to be a half-wild track. I think my favorite track of theirs though is "Deserted Cities of the Heart". They aren't in my top 10, or probably even top 20 bands, but I like them on occasion. 

Your fake grunge comment was pretty spot on, though. I laughed. It was kind of like that...a  commercial attempt to capitalize on a social movement. 

Speaking of Cream, this always made me laugh:

 

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1 minute ago, toonkee said:

 

I thought about your Bonham comment for while and struggled to counter it until I thought of the GOATS. Bonham would not have made the Beatles or Stones better.  Ringo's and Watts' styles were integral to the je ne sais quoi of those bands.

Ringo was the perfect person for Beatles drummer...his unassuming nature is what allowed them to last as long as they did. If he had been a Bonham, the whole thing would have probably imploded a lot sooner. 

And Charlie Watts plays a similar role. Unassuming and consistent, a great counter to the egos of Richards and Jagger. 

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1 minute ago, Joe from WY said:

Ringo was the perfect person for Beatles drummer...his unassuming nature is what allowed them to last as long as they did. If he had been a Bonham, the whole thing would have probably imploded a lot sooner. 

And Charlie Watts plays a similar role. Unassuming and consistent, a great counter to the egos of Richards and Jagger. 

The thing with the Beatles is that their music was so fundamentally universal it almost felt like you already somehow knew the songs before you heard them for the first time. Ringo's simplistic drumming allowed us all to immediately understand the song.  He was just clapping along like a kid and tapping his toes like the rest of us.

 

Going to see Paul later this month at T-mobile with my mom.  It will be our 3rd time seeing Paul but it will be my ten year old's first concert ever. I'm pretty proud of myself for setting that up for him.  He won't fully understand for a while, but one day in his 30s he'll say "holy crap, my dad took me to see a Beatle for my first concert.  I heard 'Let it Be' live." Going to go all out. Buy him t-shirts, a poster, unlimited cokes, whatever food he wants. 

 

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16 minutes ago, Joe from WY said:

It was among the earliest documented use of the Wah Wah Pedal though, so for that, it's groundbreaking insofar as that. 

I agree, though, it wasn't as authentic as something like "White Rabbit" (Hell, even the whole Surrealistic Pillow album), but the Airplane was an organic bunch of SF Hippies, whereas Cream was a creation of a record label more or less. 

Still, I always found it to be a half-wild track. I think my favorite track of theirs though is "Deserted Cities of the Heart". They aren't in my top 10, or probably even top 20 bands, but I like them on occasion. 

Speaking of Cream, this always made me laugh:

 

I do like Cream, probably being a little overly-critical. I was pretty into them when I was 18-20 and working on being a guitar hero. White Room used to be my karaoke go to, lol.

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The Highwaymen, anybody?

 

Planning is an exercise of power, and in a modern state much real power is suffused with boredom. The agents of planning are usually boring; the planning process is boring; the implementation of plans is always boring. In a democracy boredom works for bureaucracies and corporations as smell works for skunk. It keeps danger away. Power does not have to be exercised behind the scenes. It can be open. The audience is asleep. The modern world is forged amidst our inattention.

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Lead/Backup Singer     Layne Staley

Lead/Backup Singer     Chris Cornell

Lead Guitarist                Dimebag Darrel

Bass Guitarist                 Cliff Burton

Drums                              The Rev

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Joe from WY said:

Les Claypool is one of the nicest, most approachable rock stars there is. Hell of a nice guy. (I used to live in Sebastopol where he also lived and ran a winery)...hell of a bassist too. 

That said, this would be a really wild group. I'd like to hear whatever came about from it. 

I’ve heard that about Claypool. No pretense. Most people meet him and are completely unaware he’s a rockstar. 

I don’t think aes would be keen on playing with a band. He burns bridges with everyone he collaborates with. One dense, experimental, funky, esoteric album and half a tour that ends in acrimony and passive aggressive tweets sounds about right. Incredible lyricist though. I think paring down his bars to fit over rock arrangements would help him become more accessible and broaden his audience, which I’m sure is the last thing he wants.

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I'm enjoying the hell out of communicating with people who share my passion for rock!:rock:

Drummers: They're a unique breed. In how many bands has the drummer mediated ego trip disputes between other members? Just a couple comments. I never had the pleasure to see Keith Moon but if that guy wasn't the overall the best ever, I'm a paraplegic Gene Krupa. Granted, Moon was so drunk half the time that he couldn't do much more than keep from falling off his stool. However, when the guy was sufficiently sober he just destroyed his kit (sometimes literally). Just listen to Live at Leeds carefully sometime. One other Ringo type was Nick Mason. By his own admission that guy wasn't a great drummer per se. However, he was perfect for the Floyd.

Hendrix Killed Clapton: I don't know who that first guy to speak was but insofar as he meant to imply that Clapton was arrogant, that's not the case. Indeed, his next abbreviated band was called Blind Faith entirely because he, Baker and Steve Winwood (another excellent guitarist) wanted to tell the world they simply wanted to play in the same group so people shouldn't over-expect. I never heard how the name Cream came about but it might have been designed to exude the same.

Dimebag Darrell: I'm not a fan of heavy metal but that dude is a definite ax man. A buddy got us tickets to a concert at one of the Indian casinos in Temecula a few years ago and I went largely to see Robert Cray and had no idea who Dimebag was. At one point in his brief set, Darrell walked out into the crowd and just killed it.

Boom goes the dynamite.

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