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Poll: If the election were held today

2020 Election  

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  1. 1. Who would you vote for right now?

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Interest payments on our national debt will soon eclipse our total spending on defense. Our interest payments on the national debt are approaching $600 billion a year, and expected to reach approximately $900 billion in seven years.

And we should anticipate increases in necessary funding for other non-discretionary spending, like Social Security.

So, now is not the time to introduce new expensive government programs. If we were to cut the debt down, I could see where some programs would be affordable.

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50 minutes ago, CV147 said:

Well, I disagree.

International reputation is irrelevant to Americans' daily lives.

But saddling future generations with growing interest payments on our national debt will have an impact on investing into things like infrastructure.

Trump has done nothing to improve the debt.  In fact, the Dems have been better on reducing Debt than the Repubs.   Lastly Congress has the power of the purse.

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39 minutes ago, pokebball said:

You realize we were separating illegal immigrants before Trump, right?  Trump didn't change this, which was my question.

Regarding his stupid ass comments on anything and everything, I've got nothing.  I'm in full agreement.  I'm not sure the national effect of those is necessaril negative though.  Perhaps it's pulled all of us outside of the white supremacists closer to each other and that issue.

I don’t believe it was a policy to separate Children from parents before Trump.   I would like to see correlation of that point from something other than Fox News. 

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Just now, sactowndog said:

Trump has done nothing to improve the debt.  In fact, the Dems have been better on reducing Debt than the Repubs.   Lastly Congress has the power of the purse.

The Dems haven't reduced the debt. Clinton balanced his budget. That isn't the same as paying down the debt. I agree with you about Trump.

Congress and the President both submit budgets, and the President holds a lot of sway among congressional members of the same party.

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57 minutes ago, pokebball said:

You realize we were separating illegal immigrants before Trump, right?  Trump didn't change this, which was my question.

Regarding his stupid ass comments on anything and everything, I've got nothing.  I'm in full agreement.  I'm not sure the national effect of those is necessaril negative though.  Perhaps it's pulled all of us outside of the white supremacists closer to each other and that issue.

This is suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuch bullshit.

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2018/nov/29/donald-trump/donald-trump-falsely-says-family-separations-were-/

Despite President Donald Trump’s repeated claims that the Obama administration separated immigrant children from their parents at the border the same way the Trump administration did, the facts remain unchanged: that’s not true.

Family separations under the Obama administration did happen, but immigration experts say they were relatively rare; under Trump’s administration they were the systematic result of a policy to prosecute all immigrants who crossed illegally into the United States.

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1 hour ago, CV147 said:

Perhaps the budget deficit, but nothing has been done to slow the growth of our national debt.

 

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Indeed, when someone is trying to slow a speeding train, it takes awhile.  And it doesn't help when, 8 years later, someone comes along to push it faster.

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20 minutes ago, sactowndog said:

I don’t believe it was a policy to separate Children from parents before Trump.   I would like to see correlation of that point from something other than Fox News. 

It was not.  It occasionally happened as an unintended consequence, but Trump's DHS made it a punitive, mandatory policy.  They were totally different scenarios, and pokebaball is being insanely intellectually dishonest.

And herein lies the proof: https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/attorney-general-announces-zero-tolerance-policy-criminal-illegal-entry

 

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7 minutes ago, Orange said:

Indeed, when someone is trying to slow a speeding train, it takes awhile.  And it doesn't help when, 8 years later, someone comes along to push it faster.

Lmao. The last administration was trying to reign in the debt? 

Are you serious Clark? 

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2 minutes ago, Joe from WY said:

Lmao. The last administration was trying to reign in the debt? 

 Are you serious Clark? 

Bush left them with a $1.2 trillion deficit, largely a result of two unfunded wars and the recession.  By 2015, the deficit was $438B.  A reduction of some $800B.

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6 minutes ago, Orange said:

This is suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuch bullshit.

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2018/nov/29/donald-trump/donald-trump-falsely-says-family-separations-were-/

Despite President Donald Trump’s repeated claims that the Obama administration separated immigrant children from their parents at the border the same way the Trump administration did, the facts remain unchanged: that’s not true.

Family separations under the Obama administration did happen, but immigration experts say they were relatively rare; under Trump’s administration they were the systematic result of a policy to prosecute all immigrants who crossed illegally into the United States.

Read up on the Flores decision, when Clinton was president.  That is what started this.

Additionally, it is standard practice in America to separate children from parents when the parents break laws and go to prison.  You lefties picking and choosing which children get separated from which parents as some kind of argument against Trump is simply laughable.  We separate something like 20,000 kiddos from parents that are sent to prison annually.  

Is your solution to send the kiddos to prison with mom or dad?  You guys are nuts.

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Just now, pokebball said:

Read up on the Flores decision, when Clinton was president.  That is what started this.

Additionally, it is standard practice in America to separate children from parents when the parents break laws and go to prison.  You lefties picking and choosing which children get separated from which parents as some kind of argument against Trump is simply laughable.  We separate something like 20,000 kiddos from parents that are sent to prison annually.  

 Is your solution to send the kiddos to prison with mom or dad?  You guys are nuts.

You're obfuscating.  It's clear to everyone but you that Trump intentionally and punitively separated families as a deterrent, whereas the Obama and Bush administrations exercised prosecutorial discretion to keep families together UNLESS the people on the ground couldn't determine custody or thought the adults were a danger to the children.

There were babies in cages for MONTHS, and some parents were sent back to their home countries while children were +++++ing lost.

Shame on you for defending this heinous shit.

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1 hour ago, Orange said:

Ironically, Obama actually cut the deficit by 2/3rds during his presidency.

Another brainiac that doesn’t know the difference between debt and deficit.  He cut the deficit but still added >$10T in debt during his presidency - more than all previous presidents combined. 

I agree that Trump is a fiscal disaster.

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1 hour ago, Orange said:

I honestly don't understand how any of you didn't already know this in 2015 when he declared.  He's been a high-profile obnoxious loser since 1980.

It was naivete and belief in the character of most of the rest of mankind pure and simple.

I try to rein in my opinion of Trump here because it pisses off so many to read it and because, more and more, I think the guy suffers from a mental illness beyond his control. But that said, he is totally unfit to hold the most important job in the world and it's very demoralizing to see how many Americans either can't comprehend that or don't give a shit.

Boom goes the dynamite.

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9 minutes ago, Orange said:

Bush left them with a $1.2 trillion deficit, largely a result of two unfunded wars and the recession.  By 2015, the deficit was $438B.  A reduction of some $800B.

We were talking national debt, and now you're confused apparently, bringing up the national deficit. I know you didn't get very far in school, but those are two totally different things.

Under Obama the national debt grew more dollarwise than under any previous administration. $8.588 trillion was added to the national debt, a 74% increase, which was the 5th highest percentage by any administration ever. I'm not going to defend Bush and say he was some kind of fiscal conservative...he wasn't; he spent like a socialist. But to try to say that the Obama Admin was trying to reign in the national debt is patently absurd. 

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2 minutes ago, Orange said:

He's unfit to be a hot dog vendor.

So are you, apparently. You don't know +++++ing anything. 

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Just now, Joe from WY said:

We were talking national debt, and now you're confused apparently, bringing up the national deficit. I know you didn't get very far in school, but those are two totally different things.

Under Obama the national debt grew more dollarwise than under any previous administration. $8.588 trillion was added to the national debt, a 74% increase, which was the 5th highest percentage by any administration ever. I'm not going to defend Bush and say he was some kind of fiscal conservative...he wasn't; he spent like a socialist. But to try to say that the Obama Admin was trying to reign in the national debt is patently absurd. 

Reducing the deficit is the definition of "trying to reign in the debt."  Or do you think the deficit doesn't affect the debt?

Keep up.  I realize the WY Bar barely requires a pulse, but you'd think the practice of law would've taught you SOME reading comprehension.

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4 minutes ago, Orange said:

You're obfuscating.  It's clear to everyone but you that Trump intentionally and punitively separated families as a deterrent, whereas the Obama and Bush administrations exercised prosecutorial discretion to keep families together UNLESS the people on the ground couldn't determine custody or thought the adults were a danger to the children.

There were babies in cages for MONTHS, and some parents were sent back to their home countries while children were +++++ing lost.

Shame on you for defending this heinous shit.

All I said is that prior administrations, including the Obama administration did the same thing, which is accurate. 

What's your opinion on the 20k US kiddos that are separated annually from their parents.  Atrocious?  :Punitive?  Intentional?

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43 minutes ago, sactowndog said:

I don’t believe it was a policy to separate Children from parents before Trump.   I would like to see correlation of that point from something other than Fox News. 

The law didn't change

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2 minutes ago, Orange said:

Reducing the deficit is the definition of "trying to reign in the debt."  Or do you think the deficit doesn't affect the debt?

Keep up.  I realize the WY Bar barely requires a pulse, but you'd think the practice of law would've taught you SOME reading comprehension.

Pivot

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