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https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/columnists/gregg-doyel/2019/11/09/ncaa-should-rule-james-wiseman-eligible-penny-hardaway-memphis/2543926001/

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For those who don’t know the critical details, they are these: Wiseman had just finished his sophomore year of high school in Nashville in the summer of 2017 when Hardaway — his grassroots coach — gave Wiseman’s mother $11,500 to move to Memphis … where, yes, he would play for Hardaway at Memphis East High.

As the story goes, the family wanted to be closer to Wiseman’s sister, a student at Memphis. If you don’t believe that story, and the Tennessee Secondary School Athletic Association did not, the story is sideways already. Wiseman was declared ineligible to play at East, because the TSSAA is as heartless as the IHSAA here in Indiana, but he won a temporary restraining order; the case was never resolved, and Wiseman played his junior and senior seasons at Memphis East.

By then, Hardaway was the coach at Memphis...

here’s why the NCAA decided Wiseman cannot play for Memphis, ever: Not because Hardaway was his high school coach, or his AAU coach. And not even, technically, because he gave Wiseman’s mother $11,500 to move the family to Memphis in 2017. No, Wiseman is ineligible at Memphis for something that happened in 2008, when the kid was 7 years old:

Hardaway, a former Memphis player with gobs of NBA money, donated $1 million to fund the school’s Penny Hardaway Hall of Fame. That, according to the NCAA, made Hardaway a Memphis booster in perpetuity. Which made his $11,500 gift to the Wiseman family in 2017, nine years later, a violation.

Confusing? It’s about to get worse. After Wiseman signed with Memphis, the school told the NCAA about the $11,500 moving expenses. The NCAA knew. It studied Wiseman’s eligibility from all angles, as it does with every super-elite prospect, and deemed him eligible in late May …

until Oct. 31, when the NCAA told the school: We’ve changed our mind. Wiseman isn’t eligible after all. Play him, the NCAA was warning Memphis, and we’ll forfeit your whole damn season.

Memphis won an injunction in a local court. It’s playing Wiseman, knowing the NCAA still has the authority to forfeit the 2019-20 Memphis basketball team — and then crush the program with sanctions — after the season is complete.

Want another layer of complication to this whole thing? Here you go: James Wiseman never knew Hardaway had helped his family move in 2017. Nobody told him. Maybe his mom was too proud to admit to her son that she couldn’t afford moving expenses. Whatever the case, the kid didn’t know...

And after all of this, who did the NCAA determine should pay the ultimate price? James Wiseman. But not in May, when the NCAA had the facts to make that ruling and Wiseman still had the chance to play for another school. No, the NCAA said: Let’s make this ruling on Oct. 31, when it’s too late for Wiseman to pick another school.

The NCAA, after screwing up, said: Let’s crush the kid.

No, NCAA. Let’s not.

Let this one go. Let Wiseman play. Decide that this issue is so gray, so completely and hopelessly gray, that you’re allowing Wiseman to play in college for his AAU coach, for his high school coach, for one of the most legendary basketball names in state history.

https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/columnists/gregg-doyel/2019/11/09/ncaa-should-rule-james-wiseman-eligible-penny-hardaway-memphis/2543926001/

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8 hours ago, RSF said:

That means a settlement has been reached. My guess he’ll pay back 11,500 plus sit out three games to make up for playing in the first 3.

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3 minutes ago, UofMTigers said:

That means a settlement has been reached. My guess he’ll pay back 11,500 plus sit out three games to make up for playing in the first 3.

 

It's the NCAA.  you know they will take their sweet time with this.

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17 minutes ago, jdgaucho said:

 

It's the NCAA.  you know they will take their sweet time with this.

All in the span of 9 hours today they (Wisemans attorney) met with the NCAA...Wiseman dropped the lawsuit...and Memphis immediately applies for reinstatement.

that sounds far too orchestrated and reeks of a settlement.

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Chase Young of Ohio State is getting 2 games, which is 1/6th of the season.  Except Ohio State immediately took him off the field and cooperated, as did Young, the money involved was a lot less, and Young paid it back before anybody even found it.

 

 

Just saying.

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This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.

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2 hours ago, RSF said:

Chase Young of Ohio State is getting 2 games, which is 1/6th of the season.  Except Ohio State immediately took him off the field and cooperated, as did Young, the money involved was a lot less, and Young paid it back before anybody even found it.

 

 

Just saying.

Different 

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7 hours ago, renoskier said:

Different 

Yes...ohio state handled it better.  But both are still old fashioned, garden variety 'impermissible benefits' violations that have been occurring for decades.

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This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.

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3 hours ago, RSF said:

Yes...ohio state handled it better.  But both are still old fashioned, garden variety 'impermissible benefits' violations that have been occurring for decades.

I disagree. I was really glad to see Memphis and Wiseman push back against the NCAA. In the end, I believe this will lead to a better resolution for Wiseman than if they had quietly accepted whatever the NCAA dished out. Increasingly, the NCAA must be concerned about not only public perception but about the government taking a closer look at the way college athletics is being administered.   

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Pushed back...and then folded like a cheap suit.  because they knew what they were up against.  This isnt O'Bannon, and this isnt about image rights.  It's the kind of stuff the NCAA has been busting schools for forever.  Under the table crap.  Just a WAG, but I think the ultimate punishment is going to somewhere between 7 and 10 games, depending on repayment.  that would put him back on the court somewhere during Christmas break.  That's comparable to the Young punishment.  And certainly doesnt kill Memphis' tournament chances.  Also just a guess, but Penny might get hit with some recruiting restrictions.

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This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.

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13 hours ago, UofMTigers said:

All in the span of 9 hours today they (Wisemans attorney) met with the NCAA...Wiseman dropped the lawsuit...and Memphis immediately applies for reinstatement.

that sounds far too orchestrated and reeks of a settlement.

Makes sense. It is also convenient on Memphis' end that they let the kid play in the Oregon game (toughest OOC game on the schedule) and then after that game agree to play ball with the NCAA.

 

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23 minutes ago, RSF said:

Pushed back...and then folded like a cheap suit.  because they knew what they were up against.  This isnt O'Bannon, and this isnt about image rights.  It's the kind of stuff the NCAA has been busting schools for forever.  Under the table crap.  Just a WAG, but I think the ultimate punishment is going to somewhere between 7 and 10 games, depending on repayment.  that would put him back on the court somewhere during Christmas break.  That's comparable to the Young punishment.  And certainly doesnt kill Memphis' tournament chances.  Also just a guess, but Penny might get hit with some recruiting restrictions.

Except in this instance, there was nothing "under the table" about it. Everyone knew, the NCAA was fully aware of the payment when they cleared Wiseman to play last spring.

How do you think this would have played out for him if he didn't file the lawsuit? 

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12 minutes ago, thedude15 said:

Makes sense. It is also convenient on Memphis' end that they let the kid play in the Oregon game (toughest OOC game on the schedule) and then after that game agree to play ball with the NCAA.

 

Or maybe, it forced the NCAA to "play ball" with Wiseman and Memphis.

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1 hour ago, renoskier said:

I disagree. I was really glad to see Memphis and Wiseman push back against the NCAA. In the end, I believe this will lead to a better resolution for Wiseman than if they had quietly accepted whatever the NCAA dished out. Increasingly, the NCAA must be concerned about not only public perception but about the government taking a closer look at the way college athletics is being administered.   

Just what we need, government getting involved in college sports. The California legislature is a good example. 

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On 5/18/2019 at 9:48 AM, Tulsa Guy said:

Tulsa is trying to get its house in order regarding its basketball and football coaches.  This is the last year of the current football coach's contract.  If he doesn't produce, he is out and many Tusa fans are very much in favor of hiring former Tulsa football coach Todd Graham.

On the basketball front, Frank Haith, the current coach, has caught a tremendous amount of flak from dissatisfied Tulsa fans.  Haith had one more year left on his contract and it was feared by Tulsa administration that this would put Tulsa basketball recruiting at a severe disadvantage.  Who wants to commit to a school where the sports boards are full of posts to fire the coach?  So Tulsa extended Haith's contract for two years (at a reduced salary) and replaced two assistants with former Tulsa players known for their recruiting abilities.  Tulsa now has 3 former players as assistants.

These two moves have paid off on the basketball recruiting front.  Tulsa has put together a strong recruiting class, based primarily on transfers and includes three 4-Star players.  But the best recruit is probably 3-Star Emmanuel Ugboh, Center/PF, 6-11, 250, Iowa Western JUCO.  Ugboh's offers included UCONN, Miami (FL), Pitt, Washington State, Arizona, Kansas State, LSU, Nebraska, Ole MIss, Rutgers, and others. 

This Tulsa class will not be highly rated because it includes 3 transfers and one JUCO.  Two of the transfers were formerly recruited by Tulsa.  Three recruits resulted because of coaching changes at other schools.  This Tulsa class could be the 4th best class in AAC behind Memphis, UCONN, and WIchita State.  But let's see if Haith can coach these players to success???

The depth of AAC basketball with several strong teams plus the TV exposure provided by AAC's new TV contract probably helped Tulsa with recruiting.  Every recruit's parents and family will be able to watch their son play via ESPN and ESPN+.  Other P5 conferences cannot use lack of TV exposure to recruit against AAC any more.

TULSA BASKETBALL FINALIZES BEST SIGNING CLASS IN RECENT HISTORY, Tulsa World, May 7, 2019, by Kelly HInes

"In the past 50 days, Haith and Shea Seals, the lone remaining assistant on the staff, hit the recruiting trail hard.  The result was one of the best signing classes in recent history, including a trio of 4-Star prospects."

"Five players were added by the Hurricane during the spring signing period:  Arkansas transfer guard Embery-Simpson, Georgia Tech transfer guard Curtis Haywood II, former LSU guard Brandon Rachal, junior college center Emmanuel Ugboh and Kansas high school forward Josh Earley."

"They join November signee Isaiah Hill, a point guard from California."

I was surprised to find the above post in this thread as I did not put it here.

Isaiah Hill, the point guard from California, has proved to be a stud. 

Tulsa has verballed one player for the 2020 class, 3-Star Keshawn Williams, and has 2 more scholarships to give.  Keshawn Williams is a 6-2, 175 pound guard from Chicago.  His offers include Colorado, Colorado State, DePaul, Kansas State, West Virgina, Loyola of Chicago, St. Louis, Missouri State.

Williams is the third ranked player in Illinois high school basketball.

Other recruiting class rankings

Memphis, 1

Cincinnati, 44

VCU, 51 (Might end up in AAC someday)

Houston, 62

Utah State, 65

SMU, 69

Fresno State, 70

ECU, 78

Colorado State, 80

UCF, 89

NM, 92

Temple, 98

Tulane, 100

I did not go below 100.

Wichita State is not listed but they had their 2 best recruiting classes ever after it was announced the Shockers were joining AAC.

 

 

 

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25 minutes ago, Rocket said:

Ok now tell us why anybody in their right mind would choose a backwards ass place like Tennessee if they weren't being paid?

he's from Nashville so James was born and raised in TN.

Wiseman's mom wanted him on 'Team Penny' (AAU team) so Penny helped move the family to Memphis so he could play for them. He wasn't a Memphis coach at the time, we told the NCAA all about it, and they cleared him to play. Then they changed their mind 2 hours before our first game.

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