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GOP led Senate Intelligence Committee issues a subpoena to Donald Trump Jr.

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1 minute ago, retrofade said:

Trump Jr. didn't meet with Mueller or testify before the Grand Jury. 

Well, who the hell did Junior testify before?  Trump, Sr. claimed he testified for "hours and hours". https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/09/politics/donald-trump-jr-subpoena-frustration/index.html

You say rebelbacker doesn't know what he is talking about.  You also claim Junior did not testify before Mueller.  I feel like a ping pong ball bounced between you and rebelbacker.  

Let's get it straight.  Did Junior testify for "hours and hours" or did he not?  If so, who was it that all this alleged testifying was before.

If Junior did not make any testimony at all, then wouldn't it behoove Congress to get his testimony on record so the voters could hear or read it?

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2 minutes ago, sandiegopete said:

Well, who the hell did Junior testify before?  Trump, Sr. claimed he testified for "hours and hours". https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/09/politics/donald-trump-jr-subpoena-frustration/index.html

You say rebelbacker doesn't know what he is talking about.  You also claim Junior did not testify before Mueller.  I feel like a ping pong ball bounced between you and rebelbacker.  

Let's get it straight.  Did Junior testify for "hours and hours" or did he not?  If so, who was it that all this alleged testifying was before.

If Junior did not make any testimony at all, then wouldn't it behoove Congress to get his testimony on record so the voters could hear or read it?

Jesus +++++ing Christ, dude... I already +++++ing told you.

 

1 hour ago, retrofade said:

Well we already know that he's a liar. 

Trump Jr. met with SSIC for "hours and hours", not Mueller.

SSIC = Senate Select Intelligence Committee... which is the same committee that just subpoenaed him again. I'm pretty sure that he testified to other Congressional committees as well.

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2 minutes ago, retrofade said:

 

Jesus +++++ing Christ, dude... I already +++++ing told you.

 

SSIC = Senate Select Intelligence Committee... which is the same committee that just subpoenaed him again. I'm pretty sure that he testified to other Congressional committees as well.

Oh. So they have more questions for him. 

Did any of the members of the Senate Select Intelligence Committee have the opportunity to review the completely unredacted Mueller report?  If so, what could possibly cause the Senate Select Intelligence Committee to subpoena Junior for more testimony?  Political games by the Chairman of that committee?  Variations in the testimony with information in the unredacted report?  Do you know?

As far as using initials or acronyms or whatever you want to call SSIC, what makes you think ordinary people like me can understand the jargon used by political operatives like you?  You political elites seem to think everybody else should be treated like mushrooms and kept in the dark and fed a bunch of horse shit.

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53 minutes ago, sandiegopete said:

According to rebelbacker Junior only testified to a Grand Jury and that cannot be released to the public.  So, the only way the voting pubic can know what Junior had to say to the Grand Jury is for him to testify in an open hearing.  What's wrong with that?

That's not what I said. 

I talked about the law with respect to grand jury testimony. It's been explained to you multiple times now. 

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26 minutes ago, sandiegopete said:

Oh. So they have more questions for him. 

Did any of the members of the Senate Select Intelligence Committee have the opportunity to review the completely unredacted Mueller report?  If so, what could possibly cause the Senate Select Intelligence Committee to subpoena Junior for more testimony?  Political games by the Chairman of that committee?  Variations in the testimony with information in the unredacted report?  Do you know?

As far as using initials or acronyms or whatever you want to call SSIC, what makes you think ordinary people like me can understand the jargon used by political operatives like you?  You political elites seem to think everybody else should be treated like mushrooms and kept in the dark and fed a bunch of horse shit.

Usually I wouldn't defend @Retrofade but in this case I will. This has been explained to you multiple times in this thread. The information is available all over the place. @Retrofade isn't a political elite, but he can read. I disagree with opinions most of the time but he isn't stupid. You aren't being kept in the dark. You just don't understand it. 

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1 hour ago, retrofade said:
  1. Vol. I is still heavily redacted for those 12 members of Congress.
  2. I guess I missed where Bill Clinton and Richard Nixon were charged with crimes.

It's going to end up in court probably so we will see. 

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6 minutes ago, Rebelbacker said:

That's not what I said. 

I talked about the law with respect to grand jury testimony. It's been explained to you multiple times now. 

2 hours ago I posted "Exactly what was redacted and what was not redacted".  Your response to that was "the 6E grand jury material which is illegal to let anyone see".

Now, maybe you have a different interpretation to that exchange.  But it could only be characterized as a "stretch".

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1 minute ago, sandiegopete said:

2 hours ago I posted "Exactly what was redacted and what was not redacted".  Your response to that was "the 6E grand jury material which is illegal to let anyone see".

Now, maybe you have a different interpretation to that exchange.  But it could only be characterized as a "stretch".

What I said is exactly right. This isn't that hard to get. Maybe this will help you. https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/442400-doj-releases-second-redacted-version-of-mueller-report-over-foia

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5 hours ago, sandiegopete said:

Probably why Junior was issued a subpoena.  Frankly, I don't expect much to come of it.

What I expect to come out of it is this.

On at least some questions, Jr. will take the Fifth. The fake news media which has been out to get Trump since before he became president (probably since he was born) will point out how Trump has said on multiple occasions that nobody who's innocent would take the Fifth. Then Trump will again point out how much the fake news media has always hated him (probably since he was a zygote) and he will proclaim Jr.'s innocence (because Jr. is a Trump and Trumps never lie).

Boom goes the dynamite.

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32 minutes ago, SleepingGiantsFan said:

What I expect to come out of it is this.

On at least some questions, Jr. will take the Fifth. The fake news media which has been out to get Trump since before he became president (probably since he was born) will point out how Trump has said on multiple occasions that nobody who's innocent would take the Fifth. Then Trump will again point out how much the fake news media has always hated him (probably since he was a zygote) and he will proclaim Jr.'s innocence (because Jr. is a Trump and Trumps never lie).

Lol. Jr will likely answer yes to some question that the Dems and MSM will take out of context and make him out to be a Russian spy. 

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9 minutes ago, soupslam1 said:

Lol. Jr will likely answer yes to some question that the Dems and MSM will take out of context and make him out to be a Russian spy. 

I'm persuaded that Don Sr. didn't conspire with the Russian government to influence the election. However, given that I think the only reason he ran for president was to enhance the value of the Trump Organization, I'm also pretty sure Sr. and Jr. continued to speak with Putin's people longer than they should have about getting that Moscow Trump Tower approved. That and Trump's historically shady business deals are probably what underpin all the trouble he's in, including obstruction.

Truth be told, wouldn't you educated Republicans who aren't a staunch part of Trump's base prefer that the guy would simply quit and turn the government over to Pence?

Boom goes the dynamite.

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16 minutes ago, SleepingGiantsFan said:

I'm persuaded that Don Sr. didn't conspire with the Russian government to influence the election. However, given that I think the only reason he ran for president was to enhance the value of the Trump Organization, I'm also pretty sure Sr. and Jr. continued to speak with Putin's people longer than they should have about getting that Moscow Trump Tower approved. That and Trump's historically shady business deals are probably what underpin all the trouble he's in, including obstruction.

Truth be told, wouldn't you educated Republicans who aren't a staunch part of Trump's base prefer that the guy would simply quit and turn the government over to Pence?

Pence would roll over and get butt phucked by the Democrats. They would attack his religious beliefs to the point he would be crying for mercy. 

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1 hour ago, SleepingGiantsFan said:

I'm persuaded that Don Sr. didn't conspire with the Russian government to influence the election. However, given that I think the only reason he ran for president was to enhance the value of the Trump Organization, I'm also pretty sure Sr. and Jr. continued to speak with Putin's people longer than they should have about getting that Moscow Trump Tower approved. That and Trump's historically shady business deals are probably what underpin all the trouble he's in, including obstruction.

Truth be told, wouldn't you educated Republicans who aren't a staunch part of Trump's base prefer that the guy would simply quit and turn the government over to Pence?

What would you think if it came out Trump took $500,000 from a Russian in Moscow while he was speaking there? 

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7 hours ago, Rebelbacker said:

What would you think if it came out Trump took $500,000 from a Russian in Moscow while he was speaking there? 

That would buy a lot of Ruski hooker's:banana:

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21 hours ago, retrofade said:

The intelligence committees don't have the full unredacted Mueller report. Hell, Schiff just had the HPSCI subpoena the thing earlier today. 12 members of Congress have access to the version that only has 6E material redacted, those are party leadership and chairs/ranking members of the Judiciary and Intelligence committees. I believe it was made available to them in a SCIF at DoJ, and they aren't allowed to take notes or discuss it with anyone else. 

Sure they do, everything that can be released without breaking the law.  Barr would have to break the law to give them anything more.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/what-nadler-really-wants-11557442946

Already, on April 18, Mr. Barr made available to senior members of Congress the opportunity to view a version of the report more complete than the one released to the public. It contains the minimum redactions required by law—only 1.5% is redacted material, compared with about 10% for the public version. Mr. Nadler could have weeks ago obtained a flurry of new detail about Mr. Mueller’s investigations and evidence. But neither he nor any other Democrat has visited the Justice Department to view the fuller report.

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1 minute ago, bluerules009 said:

Sure they do, everything that can be released without breaking the law.  Barr would have to break the law to give them anything more.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/what-nadler-really-wants-11557442946

Already, on April 18, Mr. Barr made available to senior members of Congress the opportunity to view a version of the report more complete than the one released to the public. It contains the minimum redactions required by law—only 1.5% is redacted material, compared with about 10% for the public version. Mr. Nadler could have weeks ago obtained a flurry of new detail about Mr. Mueller’s investigations and evidence. But neither he nor any other Democrat has visited the Justice Department to view the fuller report.

Thanks for admitting that they don't have the full unredacted Mueller report. 

All Barr would have to do to potentially release 6E material would be to make a motion before Judge Beryl Howell for it to be released to Congress. Additionally, the only members of Congress who have access to the less redacted report are:

GOP
Mitch McConnell
Kevin McCarthy
Lindsey Graham
Doug Collins
Richard Burr
Devin Nunes

Democrats
Nancy Pelosi
Chuck Schumer
Jerry Nadler
Dianne Feinstein
Adam Schiff
Mark Warner

Additionally, that still doesn't make your case that the Intelligence Committees already have that version, when only the 12 people I've mentioned actually do. Hell, Nadler made a counteroffer to DoJ to just release the less redacted version to the Intelligence and Judiciary committees, and Barr rejected that proposal.

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17 hours ago, soupslam1 said:

Lol. Jr will likely answer yes to some question that the Dems and MSM will take out of context and make him out to be a Russian spy. 

or Putin's illegitimate son

The World Needs More Cowboys!

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26 minutes ago, retrofade said:

Thanks for admitting that they don't have the full unredacted Mueller report. 

All Barr would have to do to potentially release 6E material would be to make a motion before Judge Beryl Howell for it to be released to Congress. Additionally, the only members of Congress who have access to the less redacted report are:

GOP
Mitch McConnell
Kevin McCarthy
Lindsey Graham
Doug Collins
Richard Burr
Devin Nunes

Democrats
Nancy Pelosi
Chuck Schumer
Jerry Nadler
Dianne Feinstein
Adam Schiff
Mark Warner

Additionally, that still doesn't make your case that the Intelligence Committees already have that version, when only the 12 people I've mentioned actually do. Hell, Nadler made a counteroffer to DoJ to just release the less redacted version to the Intelligence and Judiciary committees, and Barr rejected that proposal.

They do have the full report, everything they can be legally given.   The democrats haven't even took the time to read it, it is so important.  HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA!

The judge would not grant such a request, it would hurt innocent people for no reason.  There is no reasonable legislative need to have any more information.   They have all the facts, and the prosecutors recommendations.   No judge would agree to hurt people for a political outcome that only partisan dolts think is important.

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On 5/9/2019 at 3:33 PM, smltwnrckr said:

I've been informed that these are losing issues for the Democrats because socialism and stuff. So why do them a favor and keep those issues buried?

Because the vessel arguing against the stupidity is a moron that knows nothing of any of those subjects and isn’t interested to learn. But what you can do is make that dumbass look like the least crazy person in the room by keeping RUSSIA front and center.

We’re all sitting in the dugout. Thinking we should pitch. How you gonna throw a shutout when all you do is bitch.

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