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I am starting to think the House can't simply ignore all of the crimes of the President.  I am starting to think the house just needs to pass one impeachment count for every 10 of the obstruction acts and bounce it over to the Senate ASAP.  The Mueller report is enough evidence and any further action by the house will just be drag things out.  Let the Senate Republicans and Mitch McConnell explain to the American people why they think all of his crimes are okay.  The House can stand back while the Senate does nothing and forward additional evidence to them from the public investigations. 

Presidential candidates should talk about other things and the play is to put the pressure on the Senators to do their jobs.

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You really want Trump to win the 2020 election by a landslide?  Probably the best thing that could happen for Republicans to have a chance at taking the house back and keeping the senate.

Democrats will be exposed for what they are and even Pelosi knows this.   

 

 

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4 minutes ago, bluerules009 said:

You really want Trump to win the 2020 election by a landslide?

Democrats will be exposed for what they are and even Pelosi knows this.   

 

The POTUS is a goddamn crook who thinks it is okay to get election information from Russians.  If the American people want to have a crook in the white house I guess they will vote accordingly. 

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4 minutes ago, Joe from WY said:

Impeachment proceedings are a good way to ensure that the 2020 Election is a clone of the 1972 Election. 

I think the Democrats need to make it clear that they do not believe that Republicans are compromised by the cult of personality.  However the American people need to have the information and the investigations as they will ultimately have power to remove the president.  Hopefully they will also remove some cowardly Republicans who don't care about doing their constitutional duty to protect against a crooked wannabe dictator.  Mr 37% approval rating is not as popular as Nixon was but he is probably more corrupt.

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21 minutes ago, Akkula said:

The POTUS is a goddamn crook who thinks it is okay to get election information from Russians.  If the American people want to have a crook in the white house I guess they will vote accordingly. 

You are hilarious.

There was only one person in the last election that got election information from the Russians that we know about and it wasn't Trump.

And the American people did vote accordingly.

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6 minutes ago, bluerules009 said:

You are hilarious.

There was only one person in the last election that got election information from the Russians that we know about and it wasn't Trump.

And the American people did vote accordingly.

Are you referring to this last election?

https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/06/politics/latest-house-vote-blue-wave/index.html

Cox's victory combined with other election results means that Democrats have picked up a net gain of 40 seats.
As has oft been repeated, this is the largest Democratic House gain since 1974. It's a larger gain than Democrats had in the wave elections of both 1982 and 2006.
We can go back even further and see how unusual it is that Democrats picked up this many seats. If you go back all the way to first election of the post-World War II era (1946), there have only been three elections in which Democrats net gained more seats than they did in 2018. Put another way, this was the fourth best performance for Democrats in the 37 general House elections since President Donald Trump was born.
Another way to judge an election is by how many votes each side wins. Democrats' position in the national House popular vote is now reaching historical proportions.
According to the vote count from the Cook Political Report, Democrats now have a 8.6 point lead. For a party that started in the minority, this is incredibly strong. Minority parties often struggle because even an unpopular majority party is protected partially by the fact that incumbents receive a boost compared to other candidates.
 
This year's 8.6 point House popular vote win for the Democrats is the greatest on record for a minority party heading into an election. This dates all the way back to 1942, when the Clerk of the House started listing the House popular vote in its after-election statistics document. That is, the Democratic performance this year was better than the minority party's in the previous 38 elections.
The Democrats won by a wider margin this year than Democrats did in 2006 or Republicans did in 1994 or 2010. They beat the previous record of 8.5 points Republican

 

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29 minutes ago, Akkula said:

The POTUS is a goddamn crook who thinks it is okay to get election information from Russians.  If the American people want to have a crook in the white house I guess they will vote accordingly. 

He was interested but never received it. You know who did receive information from foreign actors? Hillary Clinton. Also, no evidence of obstruction. Pay attention to the language of the report. Evidence of possible attempts of obstruction. "Could have", "may have" "possible" . A lot of that language in regard to obstruction in the report. Unless you and Schiff are colluding and have this mystery evidence that nobody else has seen and waited until now to mention it. You have no proof. You are a bitter and angry commie that can't stand that the American people elected to opt out of the status quo. Quit throwing a 2 year old tantrum

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33 minutes ago, Akkula said:

The POTUS is a goddamn crook who thinks it is okay to get election information from Russians.  If the American people want to have a crook in the white house I guess they will vote accordingly. 

Were Clinton & Obama crooks too?

"Don't underestimate Joe Biden's ability to F@*k things up."

Barack Obama

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29 minutes ago, Akkula said:

I think the Democrats need to make it clear that they do not believe that Republicans are compromised by the cult of personality.  However the American people need to have the information and the investigations as they will ultimately have power to remove the president.  Hopefully they will also remove some cowardly Republicans who don't care about doing their constitutional duty to protect against a crooked wannabe dictator.  Mr 37% approval rating is not as popular as Nixon was but he is probably more corrupt.

Is this guy for real?

"Don't underestimate Joe Biden's ability to F@*k things up."

Barack Obama

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4 minutes ago, alum93 said:

Are you referring to this last election?

https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/06/politics/latest-house-vote-blue-wave/index.html

Cox's victory combined with other election results means that Democrats have picked up a net gain of 40 seats.
As has oft been repeated, this is the largest Democratic House gain since 1974. It's a larger gain than Democrats had in the wave elections of both 1982 and 2006.
We can go back even further and see how unusual it is that Democrats picked up this many seats. If you go back all the way to first election of the post-World War II era (1946), there have only been three elections in which Democrats net gained more seats than they did in 2018. Put another way, this was the fourth best performance for Democrats in the 37 general House elections since President Donald Trump was born.
Another way to judge an election is by how many votes each side wins. Democrats' position in the national House popular vote is now reaching historical proportions.
According to the vote count from the Cook Political Report, Democrats now have a 8.6 point lead. For a party that started in the minority, this is incredibly strong. Minority parties often struggle because even an unpopular majority party is protected partially by the fact that incumbents receive a boost compared to other candidates.
 
This year's 8.6 point House popular vote win for the Democrats is the greatest on record for a minority party heading into an election. This dates all the way back to 1942, when the Clerk of the House started listing the House popular vote in its after-election statistics document. That is, the Democratic performance this year was better than the minority party's in the previous 38 elections.
The Democrats won by a wider margin this year than Democrats did in 2006 or Republicans did in 1994 or 2010. They beat the previous record of 8.5 points Republican

 

Skewed conclusion. The prediction was a complete turnover of both branches and a bigger margin in the house. A loss in the house was a given, but it wasn't as absolute as the turnovers in previous elections

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An impeachment proceeding would go the same way the Kavanaugh proceeding went. It would further expose the depth the Democratic Party will sink to in order to regain power. Attacking Trump won’t get it done. Coming up with better practical ideas to help all Americans is the smart thing to do. However, no one has accused the current Democrat Party of being smart. 

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27 minutes ago, NVBlueNeck said:

Skewed conclusion. The prediction was a complete turnover of both branches and a bigger margin in the house. A loss in the house was a given, but it wasn't as absolute as the turnovers in previous elections

Wrong.  The dems had more Senate races to defend.  In 2020 the Republicans will have more to defend.  It's a matter of timing.  It was never a given that Dems would win the Senate. See below.  2020 is shaping up better, but no matter what Dems will easily hold the House.  That means more gridlock and no major legislation, especially the repeal of Obamacare (aka ACA to southerners).  It also ensures Trump will continue to be held accountable for his actions, although hopefully no impeachment in the House.  Just keep everything front and center and they will do just fine in Congress in next election.  If you truly believe the Democrats, given the races of 2018 and the states involved, had the advantage versus 2020 as example, please share.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/13/politics/senate-democrats/index.html

But, context! Everyone seems to forget that the 2018 election cycle was a once-in-a-generation sort of map for Republicans. Democrats had to defend 26 seats as compared to just 9 for Republicans. Of those 26 Democratic seats, 10 -- 10! -- were in states that President Donald Trump won in 2016 including five (Indiana, Missouri, Montana, North Dakota and West Virginia) he won by double digits. When the 2018 cycle began, there was not-crazy talk among Republicans that they had an outside chance at controlling 60 seats -- a filibuster-proof majority -- at the start of 2019.

From that to a modest gain (at best) is a big, big difference. And the reason that's important is that the battle for control of the Senate majority isn't a one-cycle affair. It's about minimizing your losses in bad cycles (when you have lots and lots of vulnerable seats up) and maximizing your gains in good ones.
 
Which brings us to the 2020 Senate map, in which 22 Republicans are up for re-election as compared to just 12 Democrats. Two Senate Republicans -- Susan Collins of Maine and Cory Gardner of Colorado -- will have to win reelection in states that Hillary Clinton won in 2016. Democrats are also likely to target Iowa Sen. Joni Ernst, the Arizona seat (Sen. Jon Kyl is expected to resign sometime in early 2019 and will be replaced by an appointee chosen by Republican Gov. Doug Ducey) and North Carolina Sen. Thom Tillis. For Democrats, Alabama Sen. Doug Jones is their biggest problem, and Republicans may seek to target Michigan Sen. Gary Peters as well.
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15 minutes ago, soupslam1 said:

An impeachment proceeding would go the same way the Kavanaugh proceeding went. It would further expose the depth the Democratic Party will sink to in order to regain power. Attacking Trump won’t get it done. Coming up with better practical ideas to help all Americans is the smart thing to do. However, no one has accused the current Democrat Party of being smart. 

It already has.  The House was flipped, and by dramatic numbers.  Democrats will pick up more seats in 2020 in Congress.  Whether they can overcome a sitting president is another question.  The last 3 presidents before Trump - Democrat, Republican, then Democrat, all won reelection.  You have to go back over a quarter century since a president was beat.  Clinton knocked off Bush in 1992.  And before Bush Sr., Reagan won reelection.  So the trend is clear, it's hard to beat a sitting president, regardless of party.  Clinton was also an underdog that came out of nowhere. 

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1 hour ago, Akkula said:

I am starting to think the House can't simply ignore all of the crimes of the President.  I am starting to think the house just needs to pass one impeachment count for every 10 of the obstruction acts and bounce it over to the Senate ASAP.  The Mueller report is enough evidence and any further action by the house will just be drag things out.  Let the Senate Republicans and Mitch McConnell explain to the American people why they think all of his crimes are okay.  The House can stand back while the Senate does nothing and forward additional evidence to them from the public investigations. 

Presidential candidates should talk about other things and the play is to put the pressure on the Senators to do their jobs.

@mugtang Can we please have the idiot button back? 

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Just now, alum93 said:

It already has.  The House was flipped, and by dramatic numbers.  Democrats will pick up more seats in 2020 in Congress.  Whether they can overcome a sitting president is another questions.  The last 3 presidents before Trump - Democrat, Republican, then Democrat, all won reelection. 

If you try to impeach Trump you will be exposed and flip that house right back and save the republican senate majority.

 

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