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4 minutes ago, edluvar said:

Frankly I’m more worried about the anti government crazy’s living in the Woods by the Canadian border more than the families seeking asylum 

Me too. I own 2 rental houses by Timberline. The apartments across the street are filled with hundreds of immigrants, all colors of the rainbow. Zero crime. They want to work and live, more so than people born here.

 

It was just sheer luck we were born in America. It’s surprising how many people lack empathy and can’t think about what’s its like to have to leave everything you know just to be safe. We take it for granted. 

 

Imagine how bad it must be at home to leave it all behind with small children and walk a dangerous path that puts their kids lives at risk in the hopes of safety.

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43 minutes ago, IanforHeisman said:

Me too. I own 2 rental houses by Timberline. The apartments across the street are filled with hundreds of immigrants, all colors of the rainbow. Zero crime. They want to work and live, more so than people born here.

 

It was just sheer luck we were born in America. It’s surprising how many people lack empathy and can’t think about what’s its like to have to leave everything you know just to be safe. We take it for granted. 

 

Imagine how bad it must be at home to leave it all behind with small children and walk a dangerous path that puts their kids lives at risk in the hopes of safety.

Just like we cant be the policeman for the world and god knows how hard we try, we can’t be the savior for billions of impoverished people either.  The USA gives more to impoverished countries than anyone else in the world. I would bet it’s more than all the other countries combined. When there is a natural disaster in a third world country the USA is usually first in providing aid and supplies. So please stop trying to shame us with your lack of empathy bull shit. 

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46 minutes ago, CPslograd said:

The working class whites have left\are leaving CA.  The reason CA is so blue isnt just immigration coming in, its the white working class leaving.  The core of the democrats is public workers, minorities, and urban upper class.  Those are now the majorities in most of CA.  The greatest outflow from CA has been white high school grads that dont have a college degree.  They havent just moved because of immigration, its also housing costs and lack of manufacturing jobs or competitive wages in those jobs relative to cost of living (which is partly due to regulation and partly due to labor competition).

 

White flight is common in CA history. Saying that it's not because of immigration is false. It is due, in part, to race/culture. The U.S. born children of immigrants with only high school diplomas don't leave in such urgency once they graduate HS. They find employment. They find a way to live in CA. It makes me wonder what HS diploma holding white adolescents are being told by their parents, that makes them hightail it out. 

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8 hours ago, Rebelbacker said:

Because they live in a place many times run by corrupt leaders, with no economic opportunity and high crime. We know why they want to leave. Doesn't mean we have to take them. 

And it's not shouting against immigration. It's shouting against ILLEGAL immigration. The two are different but it always seems the left conflates the two. But I'm sure that's just an honest mistake right?

Except the people claiming asylum aren’t illegal are they?   Per our laws they have a right to stay until their case is adjudicated.   

By the way, while I’m not for open borders this has never been a country filled with law abiders.   We famously pick and choose which laws we think are worth following.  It’s called civil disobedience.   Those who break laws to find a better life fit in well with the rest of the population.

if you want to live in a nation of law abiders move to Germany.   

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5 hours ago, sactowndog said:

Except the people claiming asylum aren’t illegal are they?   Per our laws they have a right to stay until their case is adjudicated.   

By the way, while I’m not for open borders this has never been a country filled with law abiders.   We famously pick and choose which laws we think are worth following.  It’s called civil disobedience.   Those who break laws to find a better life fit in well with the rest of the population.

if you want to live in a nation of law abiders move to Germany.   

This is silly.

True asylum seekers are one thing. Many of these people seeking asylum are gaming the system and lying. And the amount of people seeking asylum compared to those overstaying visas or entering illegally is a fraction of the total amount of people entering the country. 

As for your second point about this being a nation of law breakers I disagree. We are a nation that embraces individualism, innovation, opportunity and a can do attitude. We are a generous nation that has stepped up when needed and gives more than any other nation. Just because we want to enforce our laws does not mean we are unjust. 

If it is ok for millions of people to enter and work here illegally then which laws am I free to break as a US citizen? Equating this to civil disobedience is stupid. 

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8 hours ago, soupslam1 said:

Just like we cant be the policeman for the world and god knows how hard we try, we can’t be the savior for billions of impoverished people either.  The USA gives more to impoverished countries than anyone else in the world. I would bet it’s more than all the other countries combined. When there is a natural disaster in a third world country the USA is usually first in providing aid and supplies. So please stop trying to shame us with your lack of empathy bull shit. 

Not "billions" but we apparently we can handle 10-30 million (choose whatever number floats your boat) quite well. For all the millions of illegals roaming around, our unemployment rate is essentially 0; seems like we can be the shining light for lots of impoverished folks.

Like I've said many times, considering that our national birth rate is considerably less than "replacement" we need more immigration, not less. I would prefer increasing our legal numbers but apparently that is politically untenable. 

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8 hours ago, IanforHeisman said:

Me too. I own 2 rental houses by Timberline. The apartments across the street are filled with hundreds of immigrants, all colors of the rainbow. Zero crime. They want to work and live, more so than people born here.

 

It was just sheer luck we were born in America. It’s surprising how many people lack empathy and can’t think about what’s its like to have to leave everything you know just to be safe. We take it for granted. 

 

Imagine how bad it must be at home to leave it all behind with small children and walk a dangerous path that puts their kids lives at risk in the hopes of safety.

Next time those illegal bastards should do a better job choosing their parents:ph34r:

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I love it. Great move. 

I thought the libs were pro-illegal? Doesn't seem like it reading this thread. 

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Guys, your both right.

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12 hours ago, edluvar said:

I mean the state that has the 5th largest economy in the world.  Would be even bigger if they were not paying so much welfare to midwestern states.  We should give them more voting power by bussing more people there. 

California doesn't pay that much more to the other states. It receives back more than 99 percent of what it contributes in taxes. Utah on the other hand gets screwed.

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7 hours ago, sactowndog said:

Except the people claiming asylum aren’t illegal are they?   Per our laws they have a right to stay until their case is adjudicated.   

By the way, while I’m not for open borders this has never been a country filled with law abiders.   We famously pick and choose which laws we think are worth following.  It’s called civil disobedience.   Those who break laws to find a better life fit in well with the rest of the population.

if you want to live in a nation of law abiders move to Germany.   

Look, this isn’t about asylum or empathy on the part of Democrat’s. Do you really think they care about minorities? Just look at what they have done to minorities under their great society programs. This is about gaining power pure and simple.  They know most illegals will vote Democrat and if you don’t think some aren’t voting you are naive. And as noted above by some board members most leftists want to give them amnesty and a path to citizenship.

I don’t fear illegals or brown people. I fear the Democrat ideology and socialism that will ruin this country and the individual freedoms we enjoy. You only need to look at the mess California is to know what the rest of the country would look like if the Democrats obtain permanent power as they have in California. 

You can claim it’s the great economy all you want. I see thousands of homeless living in squalor in tent cities shitting and urinating on city side walks, over regulation, and the highest taxes in the country. If that’s what it’s like to look forward to under Democrat rule, I don’t want any part of it. 

 

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1 hour ago, NMpackalum said:

California doesn't pay that much more to the other states. It receives back more than 99 percent of what it contributes in taxes. Utah on the other hand gets screwed.

Plus it gets welfare payments.  It has more federal jobs than any other state in the Union.

The interstate, rail systems across this country are welfare for coastal states like California.

California doesn't have bombing ranges, missile silo's, INEL, nuclear storage sites or the range in Utah where they hold and destroy biological weapons.   California has big job producing non dangerous federal jobs.

They are the biggest welfare state in the Union.

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If illegal immigrants showed up at our border with a  culture that has knowledge and respect regarding our constitution I would have no issue with them.   

The real problem is that naturalized citizen no more about our laws than we do. 

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14 hours ago, IanforHeisman said:

Me too. I own 2 rental houses by Timberline. The apartments across the street are filled with hundreds of immigrants, all colors of the rainbow. Zero crime. They want to work and live, more so than people born here.

 

It was just sheer luck we were born in America. It’s surprising how many people lack empathy and can’t think about what’s its like to have to leave everything you know just to be safe. We take it for granted. 

 

Imagine how bad it must be at home to leave it all behind with small children and walk a dangerous path that puts their kids lives at risk in the hopes of safety.

Wow, that means every apartment complex is everywhere else is just like yours. Great intel there, chief.

One of the many issues a lot of cities have to solve is having to deal with a lot of poor migrants and the crime. Let’s say a very nice poor couple from Honduras moves up to LA or any bigger city, say Bakersfield. The cost of living in CA isn’t cheap, and a lot of times the couple will have to work an extra job to survive. And they have to live in a bad part of town to get the lower rent.

So they have a couple kids, and despite the fact that they’re good loving parents, they’re not home as much as they want to be. The kids so easily get sucked into the gang culture around them, and that leads to more crime. Happens every day, all the time. A lot of the migrants are good people, but being non-skilled workers they have no chance to be able to afford rent in a better area. So they have to live in gang culture, and if you pour a bunch of them into that at high rates, you’re just pouring gas on a fire. 

Liberal dorks are so funny because when people ask them how they’re going to be able pay a huge increase in taxes to pay for them all, they always say they’ll get the rich to pay their fair share to cover it. Or they’ll just dump a lot of the military. 

First of all, I do think we need to stop Amazon, GE, etc from not having to pay any income tax. It’s a bi-partisan problem. Obama was cozy buddies with Jeff Imilt at GE and got huge government projects, and not only did they not have to pay income taxes, they’d get $16 billion yearly refunds from the IRS. This shit happens on both sides. But this money should go to paying off the debt.

Then they want the military money. The military budget is $700 billion dollars and wouldn’t come close to pay a candidate like Bernie Sanders wants. His budget would have to be $12 trillion and our normal budget is only close to 4.

Are you willing to pay triple the amount of taxes than you do now? 

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On 4/12/2019 at 12:02 PM, IanforHeisman said:

McAllen, a town about the size of Boise, had 0 murders last year right on the border.

 

 

If Texas thought they needed a border wall for safety they’d already have one. The further people get from the wall the more they believe Texas needs one.

A few things. So you choose one city to represent the entire border? That's not how stats work. You choose one city to represent illegal immigrant violent crime rates? That's not how stats work. So, all 25 million here illegally live in McAllen? Also, McAllen has something to keep illegal crossings down. Jim Acosta discovered it. It's called a wall. Oh and the city of McAllen has the say of what to do at a NATIONAL boundary? The state of Texas has the say of what to do at a NATIONAL boundary? No. They do not. The national border is not just a border for Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, and California. It is a NATIONAL border. The entire country indeed DOES have a say in how it is protected, and how illegals are handled there. 

Also, you know damn well there is plenty of violent crime coming from the illegal population. Quit painting this in a light of hysteria. This is a legitimate problem and crisis 

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Some of you guys want to hate f*ck California so bad.

 

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6 hours ago, soupslam1 said:

Look, this isn’t about asylum or empathy on the part of Democrat’s. Do you really think they care about minorities? Just look at what they have done to minorities under their great society programs. This is about gaining power pure and simple.  They know most illegals will vote Democrat and if you don’t think some aren’t voting you are naive. And as noted above by some board members most leftists want to give them amnesty and a path to citizenship.

I don’t fear illegals or brown people. I fear the Democrat ideology and socialism that will ruin this country and the individual freedoms we enjoy. You only need to look at the mess California is to know what the rest of the country would look like if the Democrats obtain permanent power as they have in California. 

You can claim it’s the great economy all you want. I see thousands of homeless living in squalor in tent cities shitting and urinating on city side walks, over regulation, and the highest taxes in the country. If that’s what it’s like to look forward to under Democrat rule, I don’t want any part of it. 

 

 

So you don't fear illegals, you just don't want to people to have better lives because they'll vote a way that you don't like?

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16 minutes ago, toonkee said:

Some of you guys want to hate f*ck California so bad.

 

People like you get fucked by California bad and like it.

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52 minutes ago, NVBlueNeck said:

Also, you know damn well there is plenty of violent crime coming from the illegal population. Quit painting this in a light of hysteria. This is a legitimate problem and crisis 

No, it really isn’t. You can pick a few anecdotes about violent crimes committed by undocumented immigrants - but on the average they are less likely to commit violent crimes than citizens.

https://www.cato.org/blog/illegal-immigrants-crime-assessing-evidence

 

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