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13 hours ago, easybronc said:

If you're opposed to open borders you're a white supremacist.

If you support Trump you're a white supremacist.

If you tell someone that white people leave Oakland because its too dangerous for them then you're a white supremacist.

This stupid name calling is another reason why the dems will lose in 2020.  It plays well in liberal swamps like CA but not so well in other states.

 

1 hour ago, IanforHeisman said:

Every white supremacist organization in America supports Trump. He made it comfortable to be openly racist again. He knew the bogeyman to the white 40+ male crowd was the brown man and he played on their fears perfectly. They’re scared America is gentrifying. 

 

I cant imagine being on the same side of Neo Nazi’s and white supremacist groups and thinking this is fine.. As long as he demonizes brown people trying to cross the border for a better life, his supporters will justify any level of corruption.

Anyone who votes republican is racist.  Got it.  Thanks for proving my point.

       

 

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5 hours ago, IanforHeisman said:

Every white supremacist organization in America supports Trump. He made it comfortable to be openly racist again. He knew the bogeyman to the white 40+ male crowd was the brown man and he played on their fears perfectly. They’re scared America is gentrifying. 

 

I cant imagine being on the same side of Neo Nazi’s and white supremacist groups and thinking this is fine.. As long as he demonizes brown people trying to cross the border for a better life, his supporters will justify any level of corruption.

Can you ever make a point that doesn’t include going full blown racist retard?  I assure you that your fixation on skin color is much stronger than that of most 40+ white males.  

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12 hours ago, retrofade said:

Please tell me that your team cares about anything other than getting conservative judges appointed. That's literally the only reason that an actual conservative would support a piece of shit like Trump.

No, I stand against virtually everything the Democrat party stands for.  I'll take a blowhard buffoon over nearly every Democrat. And this blowhard buffoon has been the best Republican POTUS since Reagan, go figure.

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14 hours ago, Akkula said:

People want better healthcare, more time off, financial security, less gun violence, a solid retirement plan, and decent wages.  Republicans have utterly failed in providing that and have no ideas on how to move the country forward.  If you want to label getting things done "Socialism" I am sure a lot of Americans will consider themselves "Socialists" soon or whatever silly label designed to encourage people to use their brains and listen to the actual policy proposals.

Don't forget a Ferrari in every garage.

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3 minutes ago, Jackrabbit said:

We were talking about illegal immigrants respecting our cultures,  laws and govt....many of them are not off to a good start

 

 

 

 

 

Since you have a few things going on here, let's break this down:

What part of our "culture" are the illegal immigrants disrespecting?  Maybe we should define, what is our "culture"?

What laws are they breaking by presenting themselves at our border and asking for asylum?

Do you believe they should already have more knowledge of our government than the average US citizen?

 

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13 hours ago, CV147 said:

Better health care means less government involvement. When hospitals charge Medicare whatever they want for services, it pushes the costs of services up for everybody. Now health care is on track to be one of the largest expenses for our entire economy.

When government subsidizes the cost of tuition, colleges raise their prices. Now we have trillions in student loan debt close to default.

When government props up failing business models through bailouts, it hinders incentive for innovation. Now we have businesses that are "too large to fail" yet have no incentive to stop growing.

When government increases its involvement in almost any way, it has consequences that are negative and unintended. I wish people on the left would stop seeing government as the solution to all life's ills. The private citizen actually produces something. The government only consumes.

Though I agree with you in general, It matters not what people charge medicare, they will only pay the providers what they want and sometimes less when there is budget reconciliation. I get paid $69 for an office visit for Medicare whether I charge 100 or a thousand dollars. Remarkably, the same people here push the same rhetoric whether they are confronted with facts or not.  Medicare for all would be a significant downgrade for anyone with private healthcare insurance and especially people on Medicaid which is almost like a Gold Card if you qualify. 

If you're going to reform healthcare, you really have to understand the motivation and actions of the players. The ACA ignored all of it and made a bad system terrible and downstream affects are a more expensive healthcare system which covers less and less. Comprehensive reform is necessary like immigration reform therefore it will not occur. I have not heard anyone Republican or Democrat or pundit or MWC poster who actually has been able to articulate how the country would deliver a nationalized healthcare system considering you would have to nationalize the more than 6000 hospitals that are not federally owned, not to mention the over million physicians and tens of millions involved in the healthcare system. None of the estimated costs of Single Payer healthcare even include these little inconvenient details. 

I won't even get to the decreased innovation in drugs and devices this would suppress. Nor the fact that every physician practices defensive medicine in the current medicolegal environment which includes the $163k cost of electronic records per physician as estimated by CM which has done nothing to decrease medical harm. Nor the fact that no increased use of preventative care or decreased use of the ER has occurred with Medicaid expansion under the ACA. It's just too inconvenient for many in that population.

That said, I don't see how we can afford anything but the most restrictive national health service when the debt payments for our 22 trillion debt becomes overwhelming.

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6 hours ago, IanforHeisman said:

Every white supremacist organization in America supports Trump.

So what?

He made it comfortable to be openly racist again. He knew the bogeyman to the white 40+ male crowd was the brown man and he played on their fears perfectly. They’re scared America is gentrifying. 

Bullshit

I cant imagine being on the same side of Neo Nazi’s and white supremacist groups and thinking this is fine.. As long as he demonizes brown people trying to cross the border for a better life, his supporters will justify any level of corruption.

There is a gang in Fresno, the "Bulldogs".  Should I disassociate myself from Fresno State?

 

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20 hours ago, IanforHeisman said:

Trump loves his poor, uneducated voters. He said so himself. He was brilliant for recognizing they were the easiest to scare and manipulate.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/02/24/donald-trump-nevada-poorly-educated/80860078/

Would you characterize yourself as an elitist prick?  I sense a superiority complex.  They may be poor and uneducated, but they're not stupid as you infer.

Trump astutely recognized that the poor and uneducated were being lied to by the Democrats. Big promises during the election, disappear and ignored after the election.

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18 hours ago, modestobulldog said:

The 1Q19 unemployment by Black and African young adults in Chicago is 14%. Illegal immigration steals jobs from and depresses wages of the lower classes.

So in the worst example you could think of we still have only 63% of the youth unemployment of the EU as a whole?

Yeah that is extremely low. 

This is even discounting the fact that what Chicago jobs are illegal immigrants stealing, exactly? Illegal immigration allows middle class business owners to make more of a profit. That's why it has traditionally had the tacit support of the Republican party. I don't know when or why that changed. 

Remember that every argument you have with someone on MWCboard is actually the continuation of a different argument they had with someone else also on MWCboard. 

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49 minutes ago, renoskier said:

Since you have a few things going on here, let's break this down:

What part of our "culture" are the illegal immigrants disrespecting?  Maybe we should define, what is our "culture"?

What laws are they breaking by presenting themselves at our border and asking for asylum?

Do you believe they should already have more knowledge of our government than the average US citizen?

 

Many of them are economic migrants and want to work hard.  All I am saying is that migration needs to be controlled.  Many are coming with the incentive of being taken care of...we need less of that.   

Our culture is supposed to respect the rule of law....even tho many public servants who swore allegiance to our laws and constitution dont give a shit about them...how can we expect migrants to respect them too.

We should want merit based migration. 

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14 hours ago, NVBlueNeck said:

Oh boo hoo. Whaaaa. A white police officer is in my neighborhood.  Whaaaaaa. Get real gas lighter. You didn't sell it as fair representation. You specifically had problems with white police officers policing minority dominated neighborhoods. That is by definition bigoted. So what if you got pulled over for matching a description. Did you ever stop to think maybe you did????? Oh the horror of police pulling a person over that looks like a suspect. Doing their jobs. The horror. I never thought or said that it never happend. But it is NOT this pandemic you tribalist hypocrites think it is. I wouldn't give a shit who patrols my neighborhood. They could be any color under the sun. It's their character and their professionalism I care about. Keep on crying like it's still 1960. It's not. At all. Keep on implying and inferring that police patrol routes need to be segregated to simulate "fair representation".  Anectodal. Inconsequential to the whole.

Still displaying that white privilege attitude. 

Nope. I brought up a counterpoint that focused on who patrols ethnic communities. It's documented that many law enforcement agencies patrolling minority communities are predominantly white. That's not  anecdotal. 

When there are consistent patterns of who gets pulled over for "matching the description", it goes beyond them "doing their job". Again, not a anecdotal. 

Of course the insensate individual has the audacity to call others who want fair representation "tribalist hypocrites". Pardon us, colonizer. 

They way you're arguing, you care deeply about who patrols your neighborhood. Another way to look at it is like this, when you were ready to buy a house, did you buy in the all white neighborhood or in a neighborhood with higher proportion of blacks or Hispanics? 

It's not 1960 and yet the fight continues for civic respect. 

Keep on believing that everything is okay because in your privileged world, everything is fair.

It's not anecdotal. You have never stepped out of your privileged world. 

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30 minutes ago, Jackrabbit said:

Many of them are economic migrants and want to work hard.  All I am saying is that migration needs to be controlled.  Many are coming with the incentive of being taken care of...we need less of that.   

Our culture is supposed to respect the rule of law....even tho many public servants who swore allegiance to our laws and constitution dont give a shit about them...how can we expect migrants to respect them too.

We should want merit based migration. 

IDK Jack. Europe has merit based migration and they don't have the kind of assimilation success that we do and they don't have the same "immigrants become the entrepeneur class" phenomena that we do. Wanting it real real bad seems to be more important.

That said a flood of refugees doesn't help anyone. Spending the money on the wall on a marshall plan for central America would stop more immigrants for the same money and it would help stop the source. I like cures, not band aids. 

Remember that every argument you have with someone on MWCboard is actually the continuation of a different argument they had with someone else also on MWCboard. 

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11 minutes ago, happycamper said:

IDK Jack. Europe has merit based migration and they don't have the kind of assimilation success that we do and they don't have the same "immigrants become the entrepeneur class" phenomena that we do. Wanting it real real bad seems to be more important.

That said a flood of refugees doesn't help anyone. Spending the money on the wall on a marshall plan for central America would stop more immigrants for the same money and it would help stop the source. I like cures, not band aids. 

A Marshall plan involving corrupt central American govts absolutely won't work.  

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52 minutes ago, Jackrabbit said:

A Marshall plan involving corrupt central American govts absolutely won't work.  

Yeah, it worked involving corrupt Greek and Italian governments. Why do you think it wouldn't work other than you don't like the idea?

Remember that every argument you have with someone on MWCboard is actually the continuation of a different argument they had with someone else also on MWCboard. 

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On 4/14/2019 at 6:38 AM, modestobulldog said:

Do you support voter ID requirements?

More or less.   But let's be honest some states will use them to try to restrict the vote.   So I would but ID requirements in the Judiciary and out of the hands of the legislature.

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18 minutes ago, happycamper said:

Yeah, it worked involving corrupt Greek and Italian governments. Why do you think it wouldn't work other than you don't like the idea?

 

Reasons well only a few for a thinking person.

 

1) They don't need to be rebuilt after a war.

2) We aren't changing the governments and we don't have our foot on their throats like we did during the aftermath of WWII.

3)  They have been aid from us year after year for decades and it has not produced the results in place.

4)  Corrupt catholic based governments will never change they are disasters across the world.

5) unless you are willing to invade, overthrow the governments, hold them in the status of a police state for a decade or more to keep the pro american government in place.   It is very unlikely to work.

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