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12 hours ago, retrofade said:

All exams are proctored, and WGU has a vast resource library. Face it, you're an out of touch boomer.

And to add, WGU unlike other Online Universities, is non-profit and is Regionally Accredited by Northwest Commission on Colleges and Universities (NWCCU) like Boise State, UNR, UNLV, and rest of the northwest schools. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regional_accreditation

 

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12 hours ago, bluerules009 said:

Proctored exams are a joke.   As is a resource library for the totality of your resources.   You have a degree in "information technology and you have never been in a clean room.  You have never seen a mainframe computer, the inside of a phone or a tablet, let alone have any clue how they are constructed.  You have never done anything that couldn't be done over a bad internet connection.   You have a hobby not a degree.

WGU IT programs requires you to be in the field already. You need have a couple of years experience or have an industry certification like Cisco or Comptia. The school is designed for people in the industry but hit a roadblock because they don't have a four year degree. A lot of the classes to pass requires you get the Certification and Cisco Certs are no joke.

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12 hours ago, Jackrabbit said:

If you cant tell the difference in value  between an engineering de gr ee and  political science degree you just like to argue...

I am sure you want your kids to go out and get a valuable german degree.  ..at least they will be able to write good. 

My dad got a German degree. He certainly did better for himself than I expect to for myself.

Jack, you are a dipshit.

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7 hours ago, TGIFaanes said:

WGU IT programs requires you to be in the field already. You need have a couple of years experience or have an industry certification like Cisco or Comptia. The school is designed for people in the industry but hit a roadblock because they don't have a four year degree. A lot of the classes to pass requires you get the Certification and Cisco Certs are no joke.

The certifications seem far more valuable to an employer than the degree.

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21 hours ago, bluerules009 said:

The certifications seem far more valuable to an employer than the degree.

They go hand in hand. There comes a point in most IT careers where you can't truly advance unless you have the combination of experience, certifications, and a degree. I was lucky to have made it to a senior level position without one, but not having one blocked most of my career prospects from this point because corporations still put a significant value on degrees. 

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On 3/16/2019 at 1:21 PM, bluerules009 said:

The certifications seem far more valuable to an employer than the degree.

Yes and no, it really depends on where and what field in Information Technology. Every company is different.

Information Technology is really broad field that can be broken into 2 categories. Development and Operations. Majority of IT is in operations side.

On the Operations side, from my experience, is the degree is only important on the initial screening and the HR interviews. It's just to check a box. When you get to the Technical Interviews they really don't  care about the degree and only care about the experience and if you can actually do the job.

A lot of people I've worked with don't have any degrees. For the entry level you just need show you can do the job or if your never in the right place or time, like me, then an associates degree is recommended. Most of these guys though are stuck at where they are now and if they leave the company they will have harder time getting hired at the level they are currently at because some HR departments require these degrees or certs.

Like @retrofade said above is that to advance especially to the senior level or management a lot of companies HR require a combination of degree, certifications, and experience. I've seen people who were with the company for over 10+ years got passed up because they didn't have degree and it went to someone outside the company with a MBA in IT with no technical experience.

Most of the degrees from 4 year brick and mortar universities usually focus on the theory aspect. Which is great for the development side of IT like the software engineers. But the issue with them is it really hard to teach troubleshooting in school which 95% if the job with operations. Big reason why I liked WGU is their degree focus on the operations side with Certifications in Cisco and others.

Certifications is great but you need to have the right ones. There is a lot of Certifications that is only internally company specific and useless else where. Also there is a lot of people who cheat and study brain / test dumps to pass their certification test. But most of these people get exposed in the technical interview.

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1 hour ago, TGIFaanes said:

Yes and no, it really depends on where and what field in Information Technology. Every company is different.

Information Technology is really broad field that can be broken into 2 categories. Development and Operations. Majority of IT is in operations side.

On the Operations side, from my experience, is the degree is only important on the initial screening and the HR interviews. It's just to check a box. When you get to the Technical Interviews they really don't  care about the degree and only care about the experience and if you can actually do the job.

A lot of people I've worked with don't have any degrees. For the entry level you just need show you can do the job or if your never in the right place or time, like me, then an associates degree is recommended. Most of these guys though are stuck at where they are now and if they leave the company they will have harder time getting hired at the level they are currently at because some HR departments require these degrees or certs.

Like @retrofade said above is that to advance especially to the senior level or management a lot of companies HR require a combination of degree, certifications, and experience. I've seen people who were with the company for over 10+ years got passed up because they didn't have degree and it went to someone outside the company with a MBA in IT with no technical experience.

Most of the degrees from 4 year brick and mortar universities usually focus on the theory aspect. Which is great for the development side of IT like the software engineers. But the issue with them is it really hard to teach troubleshooting in school which 95% if the job with operations. Big reason why I liked WGU is their degree focus on the operations side with Certifications in Cisco and others.

Certifications is great but you need to have the right ones. There is a lot of Certifications that is only internally company specific and useless else where. Also there is a lot of people who cheat and study brain / test dumps to pass their certification test. But most of these people get exposed in the technical interview.

This is a pretty decent synopsis.  I currently hold a VP level position on the design side of the house,  every IT person strives to be out of OPS but never escapes.  I am currently what would be classified as tier 4 in most organizations.  I do know when I look to hire people I dont put much emphasis on a degree since all theory is useless in a true IT support role.  There is no theory that can explain why a firewall starts randomly chucking packets after being in service for two years.  

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On 3/16/2019 at 8:08 AM, happycamper said:

My dad got a German degree. He certainly did better for himself than I expect to for myself.

Jack, you are a dipshit.

Good for him, ,there is always an exception.   Friend of mine has one in Russian....he works in a bookstore... wait, it closed.

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On 3/16/2019 at 6:46 AM, TGIFaanes said:

And to add, WGU unlike other Online Universities, is non-profit and is Regionally Accredited by Northwest Commission on Colleges and Universities (NWCCU) like Boise State, UNR, UNLV, and rest of the northwest schools. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regional_accreditation

 

I really like that school.  They are cheap and accredited.  If I am going to stay here in Costa Rica I need to figure out a good higher ed option for my kids at an online school that isn't a diploma mill.  

I am also kind of surprised that countries like Costa Rica haven't tried to get some of the higher education dollars to flow down here.  Texas Tech has some kind of campus down here but I think it would be a pretty easy sell to get some students and faculty down here.  Colorado State University now has a cost of attendance of over $40k per year.  You don't think Costa Rica can setup a nice campus for half that?  This model of kids going off to some country club to do a working vacation for 4-6 years seems like maybe its time has passed.

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