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Trump Ordered Officials to Give Jared Kushner a Security Clearance

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16 minutes ago, pokebball said:

If all of the intelligence officials think the same thing, why does a POTUS need all of them?

Wasn't it Patton who said, "if everyone is thinking alike, then someone isn't thinking"?

You're right, professionals coming to the same conclusion means that they're worthless and you should ignore them.

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58 minutes ago, retrofade said:

You're right, professionals coming to the same conclusion means that they're worthless and you should ignore them.

Group think.  Just like the Dems

Did you miss the part where I said I didn't agree with his decision?  Still his call, no matter how butthurt you are.

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2 hours ago, pokebball said:

Group think.  Just like the Dems

Did you miss the part where I said I didn't agree with his decision?  Still his call, no matter how butthurt you are.

Why don't you tell us it was also okay for him,  Jared, Ivanka to repeatedly lie that he didn't give them special treatment.   Trump defender syndrome is strong with you. 

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It looks like he did the same thing for Ivanka's clearance.

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President Donald Trump pressured his then-chief of staff John Kelly and White House counsel Don McGahn to grant his daughter and senior adviser Ivanka Trump a security clearance against their recommendations, three people familiar with the matter told CNN.

The President's crusade to grant clearances to his daughter and her husband, Jared Kushner, rankled West Wing officials.

While Trump has the legal authority to grant clearances, most instances are left up to the White House personnel security office, which determines whether a staffer should be granted one after the FBI has conducted a background check. But after concerns were raised by the personnel office, Trump pushed Kelly and McGahn to make the decision on his daughter and son-in-law's clearances so it did not appear as if he was tainting the process to favor his family, sources told CNN. After both refused, Trump granted them their security clearances.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/05/politics/ivanka-trump-security-clearance-pressure/index.html

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1 minute ago, pokebball said:

TDS group think?  One of the sure symptoms is you even needing me to point that out for you.  :) 

That comment makes zero sense in the context of this discussion. You said it in response to this post:

 

On 3/2/2019 at 7:14 PM, retrofade said:

You're right, professionals coming to the same conclusion means that they're worthless and you should ignore them.

So where is the group think? Is it "group think" that maybe intelligence professionals should be trusted when it comes to matters of national security?

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Just now, retrofade said:

That comment makes zero sense in the context of this discussion. You said it in response to this post:

Funny how you and I see that differently isn't it.  Another symptom of TDSImage result for charmin

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11 minutes ago, pokebball said:

Funny how you and I see that differently isn't it.  Another symptom of TDS

Better TDS than the TDSS that you and convert suffer from.

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On 3/2/2019 at 3:31 PM, retrofade said:

Intelligence officials have long been the "brain trusts" when it comes to security clearances. This is new with the Trump administration where he tells the FBI to +++++ off and he'll do what he wants. I guess I'll give him credit for listening to the CIA about not giving him TS/SCI though. 

They were the "brain trusts", that gave Hillary a security clearance right?

After that debacle and your support of her law breaking, it is pretty hard to take any of you lefty authoritarian zealots seriously on any of these issues.

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5 hours ago, bluerules009 said:

They were the "brain trusts", that gave Hillary a security clearance right?

After that debacle and your support of her law breaking, it is pretty hard to take any of you lefty authoritarian zealots seriously on any of these issues.

Whatabout Hillary?!?  Hillary never overrode the security professionals to give Chelsea a top secret security clearance?  Whatabout it?  Whatabout what you would have done if Hillary did it?  Whatabout you would have gone ape shit?  Ya think?  Whatabout Ivonka's emails?  She should be denied a security clearance if Hillary should have been denied one because of emails...ya think?  Whatabout, whatabout, whatabout

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8 hours ago, Akkula said:

Whatabout Hillary?!?  Hillary never overrode the security professionals to give Chelsea a top secret security clearance?  Whatabout it?  Whatabout what you would have done if Hillary did it?  Whatabout you would have gone ape shit?  Ya think?  Whatabout Ivonka's emails?  She should be denied a security clearance if Hillary should have been denied one because of emails...ya think?  Whatabout, whatabout, whatabout

We are all supposed to just ignore your hypocrisy.   Ivanka didn't mishandle classified emails moron.

You have one standard for those you support and another for those you don't.   We all know it moron.

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From a White House source, the House Oversight Committee has obtained documents related to Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump's security clearances that the Trump administration refused to provide, according to a senior Democratic aide involved in handling the documents.

Why it matters: The Trump administration's problems with leaks will now benefit Congress, making it harder for the White House to withhold information from Democratic investigators.

The news: The White House this week rejected the committee's request for documents on the process for granting security clearances to staffers.

  • The twist: But the House Oversight Committee in early February had already obtained the leaked documents that detail the entire process, from the spring of 2017 to the spring of 2018, on how both Kushner and Trump were ultimately granted their security clearances.
  • The senior Democratic aide who was involved in handling the documents told Axios that two staffers on the Oversight Committee said the documents are "part of the puzzle that we would be asking for" from the White House, "so we appreciate having this upfront." 

 

https://www.axios.com/jared-kushner-ivanka-trump-security-clearance-leak-0a312b92-4a2d-4a70-a7fa-7fb7980d5305.html

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The senior White House official whose security clearance was denied last year because of concerns about foreign influence, private business interests and personal conduct is presidential son-in-law Jared Kushner, according to people familiar with documents and testimony provided to the House Oversight Committee.

Kushner was identified only as “Senior White House Official 1” in committee documents released this week describing the testimony of Tricia Newbold, a whistleblower in the White House’s personnel security office who said she and another career employee determined that Kushner had too many “significant disqualifying factors” to receive a clearance.

Their decision was overruled by Carl Kline, the political appointee who then headed the office, according to Newbold’s interview with committee staff.

The new details about the internal debate over Kushner’s clearance revives questions about the severity of the issues flagged in his background investigation and Kushner’s access to government secrets.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/jared-kushner-identified-as-senior-white-house-official-whose-security-clearance-was-denied-by-career-officials/2019/04/03/fefa8dbe-5623-11e9-814f-e2f46684196e_story.html

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On 3/16/2019 at 10:55 PM, pokebball said:

Why? Was this lie different than any of his other lies?

The fact that you admit he's a habitual liar yet still support him is rather telling. 

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