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25 minutes ago, thelawlorfaithful said:

Also, how the +++++ is Northam still Governor? 2019 is a darkly hilarious comedy.

Internet search: "Tip of the Iceberg" There are obvious questions that have much darker answers.I'm not going to raise those questions, BC that would open the "MAYNARD HURT MY BOO BOO FEEFYS MUG HELP!!!" door. And that's not really the goal here.

I will drop a hint tho. Oppo Research Rule numero uno: check👋the👋yearbooks👋

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1 hour ago, Extra Mayo said:

Internet search: "Tip of the Iceberg" There are obvious questions that have much darker answers.I'm not going to raise those questions, BC that would open the "MAYNARD HURT MY BOO BOO FEEFYS MUG HELP!!!" door. And that's not really the goal here.

I will drop a hint tho. Oppo Research Rule numero uno: check👋the👋yearbooks👋

Democracy will die in darkness unless every 80’s yearbook south of the mason-Dixon is combed over and exposed.

We’re all sitting in the dugout. Thinking we should pitch. How you gonna throw a shutout when all you do is bitch.

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4 hours ago, thelawlorfaithful said:

Well are we talking euthanasia or expiration? In say an Alfie Allen type case, one where in this hypothetical the parents have given up hope on improvement and the child will expire without long term expensive care with nary a chance of getting better, I’m ok with allowing nature to take its course. Same with pulling the plug on me if I were a vegetable Terry Schiavo style. That should be legally allowed by government policy. Unfortunately, that’s not what these state bills and the born alive bill that just died in the senate are addressing. They’re addressing protection to euthanize infants because the mother and doctor deem it threatens the “health” of the mother. That is wrong.

The first problem is the state bills aren’t meant as an actual policy prescription for a societal problem. They lay out no reasonable or unreasonable limits for government enforcement. It’s a political stunt meant to create long, drawn out court challenges that could issue judicial rulings that protect abortion further. I hope to god the people who voted for these bills don’t actually want to live in the world of the policy they approved (or voted down in the Senate’s case), and if there’s any hope in this country left they’ll all be run out of office or at least enough of them so that they can’t wield power again until they stop being horrible, monstrous leaders.

The second is in the ideological framing. Look, stereotypes are easier and work pretty well in Democracy. Socialism is a nightmare in practice, so the label is useful to millions of uninformed idiots that won’t take the time to delve into the issues. The same works for the other side and Anti-choice. There certainly are lunatics that would like to see women hung for having an abortion at any time, and painting your opponents with that brush is useful, perhaps even necessary in some cases in a large democracy. We don’t want the pro-life movement to take on the positions of those people, at least I and many, many pro-lifers don’t. Nor should most pro-choice advocates want the pro-choice party to advocate and pass legislation along the lines of what we’ve seen.

”Health” of the mother is such an unhelpful policy term that it’s only use is in the context of the ideological battle. There are a billion things infants do that cause harm to health of the mother. They’re terrible, emotionally abusive little people. And if we allow for public policy that allows them to be euthanized under such broad terms we are condoning the outright murder of innocents.

The left is freaked out by Trump. Gorsuch and Kavannaugh have them freaked out because protections for abortion have by and large been judicial rulings, not legislative action upheld by elections. And fair enough, I would be as alarmed were I in their shoes. But protecting infanticide is not a reasonable response to those fears, even if politically it helps in the short term. You can’t allow for killing innocent people over terms so vague as to be useless to protect anyone.

Well, "health of the mother" needs to have a specific legal definition I suppose. Late term abortions/infant euthanasia should only happen under prescribed (and hopefully rare) circumstances in which the quality of life of the mother, the infant, or both would be extremely low otherwise.

But while the proposed law certainly is a bad one, and Northam's explanation of it even worse, that doesn't mean that there are actually infant-murder advocates amongst the Democrats.

 

On 12/1/2016 at 12:26 PM, WyomingCoog said:

I own a vehicle likely worth more than everything you own combined and just flew first class (including a ticket for a 2 1/2 year old), round trip to Las Vegas and I'm not 35 yet. When you accomplish something outside of finishing a book, let me know. When's the last time you saw a 2 year old fly first class in their own seat? Don't tell me about elite.  

28 minutes ago, NorCalCoug said:

I’d happily compare IQ’s with you any day of the week.

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20 hours ago, smltwnrckr said:

this.

people should stop politicizing tragedy and inserting the government into moral dilemmas.

no one wants to make the type of decision that laws like this deal with. shame on anyone who suggests otherwise. 

Bullshit.  Do you realize how radical you have become on this?

FFS, the governor of VA is talking about offing newborns.  That's not a mainstream position, even in Europe.

Are you OK with the government demanding that a freaking bakery make a cake for a gay wedding but morally opposed to the government protecting the life of a newborn?  It's not hypocritical of a conservative to support legislation banning infanticide.  That is what the OP was about btw.

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On 3/1/2019 at 9:43 AM, edluvar said:

Wtf.  Im against abortions personally however there are times when it’s necessary to save the mother.   Would this law be putting doctors in jail and risking mother’s lives?   If not I’m all for it.  

Those times don't exist once the baby is viable it would be a really rare situation.  Getting an aborted baby out of the mother is no less traumatic and certainly more psychologically traumatic that just delivering it.

It still has to come out whether you abort it or not.

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2 hours ago, CPslograd said:

Bullshit.  Do you realize how radical you have become on this?

FFS, the governor of VA is talking about offing newborns.  That's not a mainstream position, even in Europe.

Are you OK with the government demanding that a freaking bakery make a cake for a gay wedding but morally opposed to the government protecting the life of a newborn?  It's not hypocritical of a conservative to support legislation banning infanticide.  That is what the OP was about btw.

No. You are wrong. This is about ideological activists inserting the government into the hardest decisions anyone will ever have to make, all under the false pretenses that they make these decisions just because it's easier and more convenient. This particular law is neither here nor there. The fronts or fault lines shift from moment to moment, but this is about one thing-taking agency out of the hands of people who are the only ones who should be making these decisions even if they don't want to make them.

Don't lecture me about radicalization. You know nothing of my experience or insight on this matter.

Planning is an exercise of power, and in a modern state much real power is suffused with boredom. The agents of planning are usually boring; the planning process is boring; the implementation of plans is always boring. In a democracy boredom works for bureaucracies and corporations as smell works for skunk. It keeps danger away. Power does not have to be exercised behind the scenes. It can be open. The audience is asleep. The modern world is forged amidst our inattention.

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12 hours ago, smltwnrckr said:

No. You are wrong. This is about ideological activists inserting the government into the hardest decisions anyone will ever have to make, all under the false pretenses that they make these decisions just because it's easier and more convenient. This particular law is neither here nor there. The fronts or fault lines shift from moment to moment, but this is about one thing-taking agency out of the hands of people who are the only ones who should be making these decisions even if they don't want to make them.

Don't lecture me about radicalization. You know nothing of my experience or insight on this matter.

Actually CPS owed you.   You aren't even capable of sticking with the topic.   

You should listen to a lecture or two because you have zero insight, nor are you willing to even address the fact.

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On 3/2/2019 at 2:31 PM, youngrebelfan40 said:

Well, "health of the mother" needs to have a specific legal definition I suppose. Late term abortions/infant euthanasia should only happen under prescribed (and hopefully rare) circumstances in which the quality of life of the mother, the infant, or both would be extremely low otherwise.

But while the proposed law certainly is a bad one, and Northam's explanation of it even worse, that doesn't mean that there are actually infant-murder advocates amongst the Democrats.

 

If the law allows it and Democrats are passing it, and prominent Democratic politicians are defending it, then it absolutely means there is a real infanticide movement within the Democratic Party. WTF are you talking about, man? :shrug::shrug::shrug: Things that are said and actually being voted for are things that are being said and actually voted for. Your personal objections don’t make them any less real. Maybe you aren’t really a Democrat, but that doesn’t change what’s happening to the party. The same thing happened to me, the GOP went irreconcilably to trash, but just because I still agree with them sometimes doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.

We’re all sitting in the dugout. Thinking we should pitch. How you gonna throw a shutout when all you do is bitch.

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On 3/3/2019 at 12:15 AM, smltwnrckr said:

No. You are wrong. This is about ideological activists inserting the government into the hardest decisions anyone will ever have to make, all under the false pretenses that they make these decisions just because it's easier and more convenient. This particular law is neither here nor there. The fronts or fault lines shift from moment to moment, but this is about one thing-taking agency out of the hands of people who are the only ones who should be making these decisions even if they don't want to make them.

Don't lecture me about radicalization. You know nothing of my experience or insight on this matter.

And about killing newborns. You left that part out. But yes, I suppose that’s among the hardest decision an individual can make. I feel so sorry for them.

We’re all sitting in the dugout. Thinking we should pitch. How you gonna throw a shutout when all you do is bitch.

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On 3/2/2019 at 10:12 AM, Extra Mayo said:

Internet search: "Tip of the Iceberg" There are obvious questions that have much darker answers.I'm not going to raise those questions, BC that would open the "MAYNARD HURT MY BOO BOO FEEFYS MUG HELP!!!" door. And that's not really the goal here.

I will drop a hint tho. Oppo Research Rule numero uno: check👋the👋yearbooks👋

 

This is an ad targeting "Coonman" Northam's opponent in the 17 gubernatorial election, never Trumper Ed Gillespie. 

 

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, Extra Mayo said:

 

This is an ad targeting "Coonman" Northam's opponent in the 17 gubernatorial election, never Trumper Ed Gillespie

 

 

 

 

Can't access that YouTube video.  

 

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Planning is an exercise of power, and in a modern state much real power is suffused with boredom. The agents of planning are usually boring; the planning process is boring; the implementation of plans is always boring. In a democracy boredom works for bureaucracies and corporations as smell works for skunk. It keeps danger away. Power does not have to be exercised behind the scenes. It can be open. The audience is asleep. The modern world is forged amidst our inattention.

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I will let the words of others speak for me on this matter, since I found a couple pieces that do a better job than I can right now. However, before I do that, it is worth pointing out that my stance on this issue has been for some time that while personally against abortion in general, I think any abortion legislation should defer to the wisdom and knowledge of the mother and her physician. They are the people closest to the situation and most aware of the implications of the choices the woman faces. Further, the visions of wild-eyed lunatics in scrubs conspiring with cackling witches in patient gowns to curb stomp babies have long been the hobgoblins of right-wing ideologues. They for some reason want nothing more than to insert the government into the moral dilemmas faced by the actual women who actually consider terminating the pregnancy after the first and, god forbid, second trimesters. 

I held that stance before there was any news about the Virginia and New York laws that good-faith rhetoricians like our fine president say legalize infanticide. And I didn’t bother to read much about these laws because I assumed that my sense of the issue would hold true. I assumed that these laws may or may not have been good ideas, but almost certainly attempted to give women facing impossible choices the flexibility to navigate a tragedy in a way that is both safe and as comforting as possible for them. I assumed the women for whom these laws were written are overwhelmingly women who have been buying baby clothes for 20 weeks and setting up maternity leaves with their places of business until they start to bleed unexpectedly or they get some bad news after a round of tests. Turns out, after some reading, I was almost spot on.

I held that stance and posted on it before my family faced our own choices that relate to this matter. Had the right-wing ideologues who talk a big game about “infanticide” had their way, our devastating moral dilemma would have become an unspeakable tragedy. I get that these statements are a little cryptic, and perhaps sometime soon or sometime in the distant future I will post more about this. I think this is a community - despite all the craziness on here and despite the existence of bluetools and the rampant blood lust on here for exterminating SJSU sports - that is often a supportive and open-minded group in the face of sincerity and sadness. At the same time, the rage the pumps through my veins right now when thinking about this issue is a rage that I’ve never felt before. So until that rage turns to sadness, and that sadness subsides a bit to the point where it can be the subject of thoughtful contemplation, I will likely be mute or restrained on this issue for some time.

But I encourage everyone to read a few words on the matter that align both with my long-held stance and with my personal experience. And I encourage them to read it with an open heart, and to read it with a little empathy.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/01/opinion/abortion-virginia-kathy-tran.html

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/01/no-virginia-democrats-dont-support-infanticide.html
 

Planning is an exercise of power, and in a modern state much real power is suffused with boredom. The agents of planning are usually boring; the planning process is boring; the implementation of plans is always boring. In a democracy boredom works for bureaucracies and corporations as smell works for skunk. It keeps danger away. Power does not have to be exercised behind the scenes. It can be open. The audience is asleep. The modern world is forged amidst our inattention.

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