UNLV at #12/13 Nevada

[PlayersinVegas]

Reno was on fire tonight 

[wolfpack1]

16 hours ago, Rosegreen said:

A trap game for Reno? 

 

Actually the trap game I am worried about is Air Force which is after Utah St and before the rematch with San Diego St.

[ltcpilot]

6 hours ago, wolfpack1 said:

Actually the trap game I am worried about is Air Force which is after Utah St and before the rematch with San Diego St.

Never in my imagination in recent years would anyone here on this board say this.  I am pleasantly surprised and hope we come and compete.  First things first, need to try to take care of business in Laramie which has historically been a tough place for AF to play.  I hope the bye was good timing for the Falcons as they face Wyoming coming off a tough game on the road at Fresno.

 

[battle.borne]

12 hours ago, BestintheWest said:

Such complicated offense from Muss.

 

Martin Step back 3.

Martin 3.

Caroline offensive put back.

Caroline step back 3.

 

K I S S 

[Posturedoc]

17 minutes ago, battle.borne said:

K I S S 

What’s funny about the implication that Nevada’s offense is simply one-on-one and chuck a 3 is that the Pack had 20 assists on 32 made buckets last night. Doesn’t match the narrative all that well. 

[qwelish]

12 hours ago, NevadaFan said:

Nevada has had teams that were veteran and sucked. The notion that teams get older and better is fiction. Teams get better because they are talented, well coached and work to get better. 

Continuity definitely matters in basketball, on all levels. 

You, sir, are trippin.

[Lester_in_reno]

10 hours ago, PlayersinVegas said:

Reno was on fire tonight 

Caroline went back to his roots-- his paint and squirm  game.

 

Love it when he worms down low.

He's fallen in love with 3's lately.

[Poster17]

UNR played a terrible UNLV team last night.  The fact that UNLV has a chance to finish 4th place ahead of a SDSU team that swept them shows just how bad this conference is.  At least the MWT should be exciting.

[Chrysis]

7 minutes ago, Poster17 said:

UNR played a terrible UNLV team last night.  The fact that UNLV has a chance to finish 4th place ahead of a SDSU team that swept them shows just how bad this conference is.  At least the MWT should be exciting.

Like when Nevada made 3rd place 4-5 years ago with a 15-17 overall record too lmao

[battle.borne]

53 minutes ago, Posturedoc said:

What’s funny about the implication that Nevada’s offense is simply one-on-one and chuck a 3 is that the Pack had 20 assists on 32 made buckets last night. Doesn’t match the narrative all that well. 

Yeah. 20 assists in a college game is pretty damn good.

[Packman04]

13 hours ago, Lester_in_reno said:

How was the Fazekas #22 halftime ceremony?

Pretty cool, here was part of it that I recorded. 

 

[qwelish]

2 hours ago, Posturedoc said:

What’s funny about the implication that Nevada’s offense is simply one-on-one and chuck a 3 is that the Pack had 20 assists on 32 made buckets last night. Doesn’t match the narrative all that well. 

Not saying reno is not a decent offensive team, but I dont see scheme as how reno win games.

A lot of times the pass goes to Caleb on the wing and he hits fall away 3's from the triple threat position. Those are assists, but thats not a lot of scheme. Thats talent, size and skill. Those are tough shots!

Jordan just man-childs guys under the basket and lays it back up. Thats man among boys. 

Cody also hit a couple 3's that werent wide open, except he's 6-7 and just rose up and shot over the defender.

Not saying Muss cant coach. He can, but talent and the size of the guards is a big deal for the offense.

[Aslowhiteguy]

15 hours ago, 4UNLV said:

did i say cody? lol. both of them, actually. the pack is going to suffer without them next year. there is just no way around it.

And yet we'll still have the best roster in the league. 

Vegas will still suck.  There is just no way around it. 

[qwelish]

2 minutes ago, Aslowhiteguy said:

And yet we'll still have the best roster in the league. 

Vegas will still suck.  There is just no way around it. 

USU will have the best roster in the league next year unless Queta goes pro.

[Posturedoc]

37 minutes ago, qwelish said:

Not saying reno is not a decent offensive team, but I dont see scheme as how reno win games.

A lot of times the pass goes to Caleb on the wing and he hits fall away 3's from the triple threat position. Those are assists, but thats not a lot of scheme. Thats talent, size and skill. Those are tough shots!

Jordan just man-childs guys under the basket and lays it back up. Thats man among boys. 

Cody also hit a couple 3's that werent wide open, except he's 6-7 and just rose up and shot over the defender.

Not saying Muss cant coach. He can, but talent and the size of the guards is a big deal for the offense.

Scheme plays a huge role in the effectiveness of this team on offense, defense too, but that’s not under discussion here. Can they overwhelm an opponent on talent alone? Sure, but not reasonably talented teams that are well coached.

Perhaps you didn’t watch Nevada games during December through mid January, but the offense struggled a great deal with zone defenses precisely because they attempted to play hero ball—basically what BestintheWest was suggesting happened last night (but didn’t)—rather than run the zone offense as designed by Muss. It took a long time and ultimately the loss to New Mexico for the team and the Twins + Caroline particularly to buy into the reality that their talent alone wasn’t enough to win every ballgame.

This lesson was repeated three games ago against SDSU when the Aztecs played a ferocious man defense and mostly shut the Pack offense down. Nevada hadn’t seen man defense in more than two months and wasn’t prepared to execute against a good one. Skip ahead to last night and we watched Nevada execute it’s offense against both zone and man. Certainly there were some great individual plays that resulted in buckets, but 20 assists in 32 baskets don’t lie. This team runs an offense, and when it does it well, like last night, all of those superior physical tools and skills are just the cherry on top of the cohesive Sunday of team play. 

[NMpackalum]

55 minutes ago, qwelish said:

Not saying reno is not a decent offensive team, but I dont see scheme as how reno win games.

A lot of times the pass goes to Caleb on the wing and he hits fall away 3's from the triple threat position. Those are assists, but thats not a lot of scheme. Thats talent, size and skill. Those are tough shots!

Jordan just man-childs guys under the basket and lays it back up. Thats man among boys. 

Cody also hit a couple 3's that werent wide open, except he's 6-7 and just rose up and shot over the defender.

Not saying Muss cant coach. He can, but talent and the size of the guards is a big deal for the offense.

It would be interesting to see how many of Caleb Martin's shots are scored as assists. There is much subjectivity for those situations where a scorer dribbles around after a pass or holds the ball before shooting.

[4UNLV]

42 minutes ago, Aslowhiteguy said:

And yet we'll still have the best roster in the league. 

Vegas will still suck.  There is just no way around it. 

I don’t know that you will. The Martins and Caroline were responsible for what, 67 of your points? And they are 5th year seniors who have had a few years together, along with your other two 5th year starters. No matter who you have coming back, or in, you will not replicate what you have right now. I have no doubt that you will be good, but you just will not be nearly as good as you are right now. Good luck the rest of the season, and into the tournament. Make us all proud. 

And the rebels aren’t even relevant to that conversation. Just sayin. 

[qwelish]

6 minutes ago, NMpackalum said:

It would be interesting to see how many of Caleb Martin's shots are scored as assists. There is much subjectivity for those situations where a scorer dribbles around after a pass or holds the ball before shooting.

It's my understanding that so long as he does not dribble the ball, that it should be counted as an assist. He hit six 3 pt shots. At least 3 or 4 of them were of the fall away, catch and shoot after holding it variety.

[qwelish]

Could be that reno is very good and wins the league next year. Could also finish 3rd.

They win primarily by creating size mismatches vs other teams guards (post ups, shooting over defenders) and mismatches with Caroline who is an inside outside match up problem.

Maybe Muss replicates that, but he will not replace the continuity missed with Jordan and the Martins all being a nucleus the past two years and practicing together for the last 3. 

Also the twins have played together their entire lives.

Muss might replace the point production, but their size is also big on defense. They block shots, rebound big and are not just tall players, they are long too. 

Muss has been good at plugging guys in, but there are no top-100 juniors redshirting right now, so we will all have to see.

[qwelish]

42 minutes ago, Posturedoc said:

Scheme plays a huge role in the effectiveness of this team on offense, defense too, but that’s not under discussion here. Can they overwhelm an opponent on talent alone? Sure, but not reasonably talented teams that are well coached.

Perhaps you didn’t watch Nevada games during December through mid January, but the offense struggled a great deal with zone defenses precisely because they attempted to play hero ball—basically what BestintheWest was suggesting happened last night (but didn’t)—rather than run the zone offense as designed by Muss. It took a long time and ultimately the loss to New Mexico for the team and the Twins + Caroline particularly to buy into the reality that their talent alone wasn’t enough to win every ballgame.

This lesson was repeated three games ago against SDSU when the Aztecs played a ferocious man defense and mostly shut the Pack offense down. Nevada hadn’t seen man defense in more than two months and wasn’t prepared to execute against a good one. Skip ahead to last night and we watched Nevada execute it’s offense against both zone and man. Certainly there were some great individual plays that resulted in buckets, but 20 assists in 32 baskets don’t lie. This team runs an offense, and when it does it well, like last night, all of those superior physical tools and skills are just the cherry on top of the cohesive Sunday of team play. 

Actually I did watch them play during those months. 

It's the talent level of the Martins and Caroline, like weve been discussing, that allows the scheme to look good and be effective. Not the other way around. 

Its no surprise that the teams who have beat or played reno close have been teams with size in the backcourt and depth in the frontcourt. The Martins have size and talent, and Caroline is a talented match up problem. 

Stats do sometimes lie, because both twins hit a number of contested 3's with guys in their face. Caroline just went up and took the ball away from a few UNLV guys who were playing out of position.

UNLV just does not match up with reno because the back court is small and not super athletic or talented. Right now the front court is super thin and inexperienced with all freshmen, sophomores and a walk-on jr.

There was nothing impressive about renos scheme. It's not bad, its suited to the personnel, but there was a huge continuity and talent disparity between the two teams.