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I guess I'm just not seeing this progress.  9-5 is great on paper, but when you look at the competition it doesn't look so good anymore. Yay, Marv is a master at beating pathetic opposition.  9-1 vs the MW teams with losing records, 0-4, and 4 blowout losses to the teams with winning records, not what I consider needle moving results. This league is the worst its been in a long time, finishing 5th, again, will look great on paper, but not when you look at it a little deeper.

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4 minutes ago, Joe from WY said:

2010-2011 SDSU was probably a stronger team, for starters. 

NV might be the best balanced team the MWC has had 

If NBA talent is a factor, it remains to be seen if any of the current NV players reach the NBA - I don't see any "for sure" NBA guys but my opinion means nothing 

 

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10 minutes ago, Amaru523 said:

I guess I'm just not seeing this progress.  9-5 is great on paper, but when you look at the competition it doesn't look so good anymore. Yay, Marv is a master at beating pathetic opposition.  9-1 vs the MW teams with losing records, 0-4, and 4 blowout losses to the teams with winning records, not what I consider needle moving results. This league is the worst its been in a long time, finishing 5th, again, will look great on paper, but not when you look at it a little deeper.

How many wins would it take, in this league right now, to meet your expectations of realistic progress? 14-4, 15-3, 13-5?   

 

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Not a lot of NBA players from this list of MWCPoY winners 

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  Totals Shooting Per Game
Season Player School G GS PTS TRB AST STL BLK WS FG% 2P% 3P% FT% PTS TRB AST STL BLK
2017-18 Caleb Martin Nevada 36 26 680 194 92 45 21 5.5 .454 .506 .403 .749 18.9 5.4 2.6 1.3 0.6
2016-17 Gian Clavell Colorado State 27 26 552 170 47 53 20 4.3 .430 .466 .386 .693 20.4 6.3 1.7 2.0 0.7
2015-16 Josh Adams Wyoming 31 31 740 173 134 44 18 5.3 .441 .508 .378 .827 23.9 5.6 4.3 1.4 0.6
2014-15 Derrick Marks Boise State 32 32 621 118 96 59 14 6.4 .494 .522 .436 .771 19.4 3.7 3.0 1.8 0.4
2013-14 Xavier Thames San Diego State 36 36 633 104 116 59 5 7.5 .411 .432 .374 .834 17.6 2.9 3.2 1.6 0.1
2012-13 Kendall Williams New Mexico 34 32 453 120 166 38 3 5.0 .406 .453 .348 .765 13.3 3.5 4.9 1.1 0.1
2011-12 Jamaal Franklin San Diego State 32 22 557 252 47 31 20 4.8 .433 .502 .325 .800 17.4 7.9 1.5 1.0 0.6
2010-11 Jimmer Fredette Brigham Young 37 37 1068 127 160 49 1 8.5 .452 .491 .396 .894 28.9 3.4 4.3 1.3 0.0
2009-10 Darington Hobson New Mexico 35 35 555 324 160 44 15 5.2 .440 .465 .361 .653 15.9 9.3 4.6 1.3 0.4
2008-09 Luke Nevill Utah 34 34 571 307 44 15 92 7.0 .607 .607   .786 16.8 9.0 1.3 0.4 2.7
2007-08 (T) Lee Cummard Brigham Young 35 35 552 222 123 33 35 8.5 .569 .624 .472 .857 15.8 6.3 3.5 0.9 1.0
2007-08 (T) J.R. Giddens New Mexico 33 33 537 290 103 47 39 7.2 .516 .557 .333 .586 16.3 8.8 3.1 1.4 1.2
2006-07 Keena Young Brigham Young 34 34 590 223 50 15 5 4.5 .543 .543   .803 17.4 6.6 1.5 0.4 0.1
2005-06 Brandon Heath San Diego State 33 33 607 111 114 49 1 4.4 .424 .440 .408 .849 18.4 3.4 3.5 1.5 0.0
2004-05 Andrew Bogut Utah 35 35 715 427 82 34 65 10.9 .620 .636 .360 .692 20.4 12.2 2.3 1.0 1.9
2003-04 (T) Rafael Araujo Brigham Young 30 30 552 303 37 43 25 6.0 .573 .601 .267 .722 18.4 10.1 1.2 1.4 0.8
2003-04 (T) Nick Welch Air Force 28 28 319 113 80 40 16 4.8 .542 .615 .420 .718 11.4 4.0 2.9 1.4 0.6
2002-03 Ruben Douglas New Mexico 28 28 783 185 58 35 8 4.7 .397 .399 .395 .841 28.0 6.6 2.1 1.3 0.3
2001-02 Britton Johnsen Utah 30 30 379 189 46 29 16 3.7 .496 .565 .356 .601 12.6 6.3 1.5 1.0 0.5
2000-01 Mekeli Wesley Brigham Young 33 33 569 181 45 19 27 6.1 .513 .538 .421 .806 17.2 5.5 1.4 0.6 0.8
  Totals Shooting Per Game
Season Player School G GS PTS TRB AST STL BLK WS FG% 2P% 3P% FT% PTS TRB AST STL BLK
1999-00 Alex Jensen Utah 32   419 240 100 29 8 5.5 .542 .605 .460 .702 13.1 7.5 3.1 0.9 0.3
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25 minutes ago, toonkee said:

How many wins would it take, in this league right now, to meet your expectations of realistic progress? 14-4, 15-3, 13-5?   

 

It's not even about the wins. The bottom 3/4 of this conf. is the worst it's ever been, so UNLV going 9-1 against those teams doesn't give me that warm fuzzy feeling. There's only 4 good/decent teams in the MW and the Rebels got their doors blown off by all 4. If they kept at least 2 of those games close, I might feel differently, but they didn't. Not to mention the lack of success against a pretty weak non conf. schedule. I guess I'm just one of those fans that isn't okay with mediocrity and under Menzies we've been very mediocre.

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12 minutes ago, Amaru523 said:

It's not even about the wins. The bottom 3/4 of this conf. is the worst it's ever been, so UNLV going 9-1 against those teams doesn't give me that warm fuzzy feeling. There's only 4 good/decent teams in the MW and the Rebels got their doors blown off by all 4. If they kept at least 2 of those games close, I might feel differently, but they didn't. Not to mention the lack of success against a pretty weak non conf. schedule. I guess I'm just one of those fans that isn't okay with mediocrity and under Menzies we've been very mediocre.

News flash - UNLV has been pretty mediocre for the last 6 seasons & has had some good runs of mediocrity over the last 25 years - Menzies not far from Lon Krugers first two seasons at UNLV - Kruger won 34 in his 1st two seasons and Menzies has won 35 in his last two seasons :shrug:

  Overall Conference  
Rk Season Conf W L W-L% W L W-L% SRS SOS PTS PTS AP Pre AP High AP Final NCAA Tournament Seed Coach(es)
1 2018-19 MWC 15 11 .560 8 5 .615 2.03 0.43 74.9 73.3           Marvin Menzies (14-11)
2 2017-18 MWC 20 13 .606 8 10 .444 7.20 1.87 83.4 78.1           Marvin Menzies (20-13)
3 2016-17 MWC 11 21 .344 4 14 .222 -3.75 2.59 68.8 75.2           Marvin Menzies (11-21)
4 2015-16 MWC 18 15 .545 8 10 .444 5.50 3.17 78.2 73.5           Dave Rice (9-7), Todd Simon (9-8)
5 2014-15 MWC 18 15 .545 8 10 .444 5.41 3.38 68.2 64.4           Dave Rice (18-15)
6 2013-14 MWC 20 13 .606 10 8 .556 8.55 2.76 71.4 65.6           Dave Rice (20-13)
7 2012-13 MWC 25 10 .714 10 6 .625 12.92 5.71 71.4 63.0 18 18   Lost Second Round 5 Dave Rice (25-10)
8 2011-12 MWC 26 9 .743 9 5 .643 13.55 4.37 76.3 65.9   11 23 Lost Second Round 6 Dave Rice (26-9)
9 2010-11 MWC 24 9 .727 11 5 .688 14.67 6.00 71.6 62.9   20   Lost Second Round 8 Lon Kruger (24-9)
10 2009-10 MWC 25 9 .735 11 5 .688 12.57 4.82 73.1 63.8   18   Lost First Round 8 Lon Kruger (25-9)
11 2008-09 MWC 21 11 .656 9 7 .563 8.68 4.34 68.8 64.4           Lon Kruger (21-11)
12 2007-08 MWC 27 8 .771 12 4 .750 10.23 4.02 69.7 62.3       Lost Second Round 8 Lon Kruger (27-8)
13 2006-07 MWC 30 7 .811 12 4 .750 12.98 5.37 74.9 66.8   19 19 Lost Regional Semifinal 7 Lon Kruger (30-7)
14 2005-06 MWC 17 13 .567 10 6 .625 7.51 4.51 69.5 66.5           Lon Kruger (17-13)
15 2004-05 MWC 17 14 .548 7 7 .500 6.11 5.61 73.3 72.4           Lon Kruger (17-14)
16 2003-04 MWC 18 13 .581 7 7 .500 7.49 5.19 74.0 71.3           Charles Spoonhour (12-9), Jay Spoonhour (6-4)
17 2002-03 MWC 21 11 .656 8 6 .571 9.01 4.67 75.3 71.0           Charles Spoonhour (21-11)
18 2001-02 MWC 21 11 .656 9 5 .643 7.69 4.88 78.3 75.5           Charles Spoonhour (21-11)
19 2000-01 MWC 16 13 .552 7 7 .500 4.60 5.04 75.8 74.8           Bill Bayno (3-4), Max Good (13-9)
20 1999-00 MWC 23 8 .742 10 4 .714 9.74 2.52 82.2 75.0       Lost First Round 10 Bill Bayno (23-8)
Rk Season Conf W L W-L% W L W-L% SRS SOS PTS PTS AP Pre AP High AP Final NCAA Tournament Seed Coach(es)
21 1998-99 WAC 16 13 .552 9 5 .643 8.77 4.52 74.6 68.9           Bill Bayno (16-13)
22 1997-98 WAC 20 13 .606 7 7 .500 7.40 5.31 69.5 66.6       Lost First Round 12 Bill Bayno (20-13)
23 1996-97 WAC 22 10 .688 11 5 .688 7.73 3.45 73.1 68.8           Bill Bayno (22-10)
24 1995-96 Big West 10 16 .385 7 11 .389 -2.34 -0.50 67.0 68.9           Bill Bayno (10-16)
25 1994-95 Big West 12 16 .429 7 11 .389 0.72 2.57 76.7 78.5           Cleveland Edwards (5-9), Howie Landa (5-2), Tim Grgurich (2-5)
26 1993-94 Big West 15 13 .536 10 8 .556 0.87 0.46 77.9 76.3           Rollie Massimino (15-13)
27 1992-93 Big West 21 8 .724 13 5 .722 11.17 3.07 89.4 81.3 22 10 25     Rollie Massimino (21-8)
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3 hours ago, UNLV2001 said:

News flash - UNLV has been pretty mediocre for the last 6 seasons & has had some good runs of mediocrity over the last 25 years - Menzies not far from Lon Krugers first two seasons at UNLV - Kruger won 34 in his 1st two seasons and Menzies has won 35 in his last two seasons :shrug:

  Overall Conference  
Rk Season Conf W L W-L% W L W-L% SRS SOS PTS PTS AP Pre AP High AP Final NCAA Tournament Seed Coach(es)
1 2018-19 MWC 15 11 .560 8 5 .615 2.03 0.43 74.9 73.3           Marvin Menzies (14-11)
2 2017-18 MWC 20 13 .606 8 10 .444 7.20 1.87 83.4 78.1           Marvin Menzies (20-13)
3 2016-17 MWC 11 21 .344 4 14 .222 -3.75 2.59 68.8 75.2           Marvin Menzies (11-21)
4 2015-16 MWC 18 15 .545 8 10 .444 5.50 3.17 78.2 73.5           Dave Rice (9-7), Todd Simon (9-8)
5 2014-15 MWC 18 15 .545 8 10 .444 5.41 3.38 68.2 64.4           Dave Rice (18-15)
6 2013-14 MWC 20 13 .606 10 8 .556 8.55 2.76 71.4 65.6           Dave Rice (20-13)
7 2012-13 MWC 25 10 .714 10 6 .625 12.92 5.71 71.4 63.0 18 18   Lost Second Round 5 Dave Rice (25-10)
8 2011-12 MWC 26 9 .743 9 5 .643 13.55 4.37 76.3 65.9   11 23 Lost Second Round 6 Dave Rice (26-9)
9 2010-11 MWC 24 9 .727 11 5 .688 14.67 6.00 71.6 62.9   20   Lost Second Round 8 Lon Kruger (24-9)
10 2009-10 MWC 25 9 .735 11 5 .688 12.57 4.82 73.1 63.8   18   Lost First Round 8 Lon Kruger (25-9)
11 2008-09 MWC 21 11 .656 9 7 .563 8.68 4.34 68.8 64.4           Lon Kruger (21-11)
12 2007-08 MWC 27 8 .771 12 4 .750 10.23 4.02 69.7 62.3       Lost Second Round 8 Lon Kruger (27-8)
13 2006-07 MWC 30 7 .811 12 4 .750 12.98 5.37 74.9 66.8   19 19 Lost Regional Semifinal 7 Lon Kruger (30-7)
14 2005-06 MWC 17 13 .567 10 6 .625 7.51 4.51 69.5 66.5           Lon Kruger (17-13)
15 2004-05 MWC 17 14 .548 7 7 .500 6.11 5.61 73.3 72.4           Lon Kruger (17-14)
16 2003-04 MWC 18 13 .581 7 7 .500 7.49 5.19 74.0 71.3           Charles Spoonhour (12-9), Jay Spoonhour (6-4)
17 2002-03 MWC 21 11 .656 8 6 .571 9.01 4.67 75.3 71.0           Charles Spoonhour (21-11)
18 2001-02 MWC 21 11 .656 9 5 .643 7.69 4.88 78.3 75.5           Charles Spoonhour (21-11)
19 2000-01 MWC 16 13 .552 7 7 .500 4.60 5.04 75.8 74.8           Bill Bayno (3-4), Max Good (13-9)
20 1999-00 MWC 23 8 .742 10 4 .714 9.74 2.52 82.2 75.0       Lost First Round 10 Bill Bayno (23-8)
Rk Season Conf W L W-L% W L W-L% SRS SOS PTS PTS AP Pre AP High AP Final NCAA Tournament Seed Coach(es)
21 1998-99 WAC 16 13 .552 9 5 .643 8.77 4.52 74.6 68.9           Bill Bayno (16-13)
22 1997-98 WAC 20 13 .606 7 7 .500 7.40 5.31 69.5 66.6       Lost First Round 12 Bill Bayno (20-13)
23 1996-97 WAC 22 10 .688 11 5 .688 7.73 3.45 73.1 68.8           Bill Bayno (22-10)
24 1995-96 Big West 10 16 .385 7 11 .389 -2.34 -0.50 67.0 68.9           Bill Bayno (10-16)
25 1994-95 Big West 12 16 .429 7 11 .389 0.72 2.57 76.7 78.5           Cleveland Edwards (5-9), Howie Landa (5-2), Tim Grgurich (2-5)
26 1993-94 Big West 15 13 .536 10 8 .556 0.87 0.46 77.9 76.3           Rollie Massimino (15-13)
27 1992-93 Big West 21 8 .724 13 5 .722 11.17 3.07 89.4 81.3 22 10 25     Rollie Massimino (21-8)

Menzies isnt doing that bad of a job. Hes had players individually progress and quite a bit of turnover in his first few years. 

His problem is his recruiting philosophy. Not a real problem, but a problem to antsy fans who want instant success.

His philosophy may ideally work. I just am not sure he will get the time he probably deserves.

I think the next few years he makes that turn with older experienced players. 

Itd be unfair for him to be let go, imo. But if you had to...it better be Pitino or Matta. Nothing less.

Which both are unrealistic pipe dreams..

Firing Menzies and hiring UCSBs coach is a laughable move to the outside and a nail in the coffin for basketball in my mind. Zero splash. Zero hype. Same problems and no greener grass.

 

DRF should let it play out and be the first AD with a spine...and brain of her own.

All is well, For Rice is gone.                  

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4 hours ago, Joe from WY said:

No. 

Not even close, imo.

SDSU 2011 and 2014

New Mexico 2014

BYU 2010, 2011

Utah 2005

 

Not in that order, but to think they're better than any of the above is just crazy. I get their record. but weak OOC and terrible conference does not equal greatest.

 

2011 byu and sdsu were dominant on both ends. Dominant against great teams too.

All is well, For Rice is gone.                  

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8 hours ago, Swoll Cracker said:

Way back in either 2010 or 2011, I got a couple of tickets from Tim Miles for the game in Laramie. Drove up from Fort Collins with a friend of mine who's a WYO fan.  The weather was brutal. Heavy snow, high winds and below zero temps.  We got to the AA early and were among the first in the building. 10 minutes till tip and there weren't 75 people in the building.  We met Kenny Sailors and talked with him a bunch along with the dad of CSU's Adam Nigon.  The crowd grew to maybe 750 during the game.

Cracker, with all due respect as you are one of my favorite, most reasonable posters on here - no way was there only 750 fans at a border war. Granted those were two years I was following around one of my sons that played high school basketball and missed a few games, but last night was as bad as it gets.  They changed the schedule from Wed to Tues and the time from seven to eight. Add in freezing weather and the worst team Wyoming has had in years, it still looked like we had maybe 2000.

See ya Saturday and good luck.  Go Pokes!

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I'm not kidding about 750.  The weather was as bad as it gets and it's amazing that anybody showed up.  We came up I25 from Fort Collins and it was clear but crazy windy and cold.  Once we got headed west on I-80 the temperatures dropped even further and the snow was coming down sideways.  We decided to keep going and parked about 5:30 for a 600pm game.  We took 287 home and watched numerous cars go skidding off the road into the darkness.  It was the kind of weather where you didn't want to be exposed to it for 30 seconds.  Like I said, it was amazing that anybody made it to the game.  

15 minutes ago, gold-n-brown said:

Cracker, with all due respect as you are one of my favorite, most reasonable posters on here - no way was there only 750 fans at a border war. Granted those were two years I was following around one of my sons that played high school basketball and missed a few games, but last night was as bad as it gets.  They changed the schedule from Wed to Tues and the time from seven to eight. Add in freezing weather and the worst team Wyoming has had in years, it still looked like we had maybe 2000.

See ya Saturday and good luck.  Go Pokes!

 

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9 hours ago, Amaru523 said:

It's not even about the wins. The bottom 3/4 of this conf. is the worst it's ever been, so UNLV going 9-1 against those teams doesn't give me that warm fuzzy feeling. There's only 4 good/decent teams in the MW and the Rebels got their doors blown off by all 4. If they kept at least 2 of those games close, I might feel differently, but they didn't. Not to mention the lack of success against a pretty weak non conf. schedule. I guess I'm just one of those fans that isn't okay with mediocrity and under Menzies we've been very mediocre.

I completely understand that this 9-5 record is not indicative of this team being good at all or what we want out of Runnin' Rebel basketball and I totally agree getting our doors blown off by anyone decent is not a good sign.  Right now we might be the tallest or second tallest midget of the bad teams in the conference. I'm just not sure we should expect to be more than that at this point in the complete rebuild after two seasons of actual recruiting. Next year I think we need to be winning some games against the top 3-4 teams in the league and we should be among those teams vying for the title. Like Best pointed out, Kruger's early record is quite similar to Marvin's. It takes a little time to even see what we got.  

 

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1 hour ago, toonkee said:

I completely understand that this 9-5 record is not indicative of this team being good at all or what we want out of Runnin' Rebel basketball and I totally agree getting our doors blown off by anyone decent is not a good sign.  Right now we might be the tallest or second tallest midget of the bad teams in the conference. I'm just not sure we should expect to be more than that at this point in the complete rebuild after two seasons of actual recruiting. Next year I think we need to be winning some games against the top 3-4 teams in the league and we should be among those teams vying for the title. Like Best pointed out, Kruger's early record is quite similar to Marvin's. It takes a little time to even see what we got.  

 

Are we really comparing Marv to Kruger?

Kruger had a pretty good track record before taking the UNLV job. Been to final four, coaches in the nba, beat quality teams. What’s Marv done? How many top 50 teams has he beaten in his career?  One and that was a depleted Reno team.  

He’s got a mediocre track record and was the last guy anyone wanted coaching UNLV. His recruiting and roster building is way worse than Rice’s. 

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11 hours ago, UNLV2001 said:

News flash - UNLV has been pretty mediocre for the last 6 seasons & has had some good runs of mediocrity over the last 25 years - Menzies not far from Lon Krugers first two seasons at UNLV - Kruger won 34 in his 1st two seasons and Menzies has won 35 in his last two seasons :shrug:

  Overall Conference  
Rk Season Conf W L W-L% W L W-L% SRS SOS PTS PTS AP Pre AP High AP Final NCAA Tournament Seed Coach(es)
1 2018-19 MWC 15 11 .560 8 5 .615 2.03 0.43 74.9 73.3           Marvin Menzies (14-11)
2 2017-18 MWC 20 13 .606 8 10 .444 7.20 1.87 83.4 78.1           Marvin Menzies (20-13)
3 2016-17 MWC 11 21 .344 4 14 .222 -3.75 2.59 68.8 75.2           Marvin Menzies (11-21)
4 2015-16 MWC 18 15 .545 8 10 .444 5.50 3.17 78.2 73.5           Dave Rice (9-7), Todd Simon (9-8)
5 2014-15 MWC 18 15 .545 8 10 .444 5.41 3.38 68.2 64.4           Dave Rice (18-15)
6 2013-14 MWC 20 13 .606 10 8 .556 8.55 2.76 71.4 65.6           Dave Rice (20-13)
7 2012-13 MWC 25 10 .714 10 6 .625 12.92 5.71 71.4 63.0 18 18   Lost Second Round 5 Dave Rice (25-10)
8 2011-12 MWC 26 9 .743 9 5 .643 13.55 4.37 76.3 65.9   11 23 Lost Second Round 6 Dave Rice (26-9)
9 2010-11 MWC 24 9 .727 11 5 .688 14.67 6.00 71.6 62.9   20   Lost Second Round 8 Lon Kruger (24-9)
10 2009-10 MWC 25 9 .735 11 5 .688 12.57 4.82 73.1 63.8   18   Lost First Round 8 Lon Kruger (25-9)
11 2008-09 MWC 21 11 .656 9 7 .563 8.68 4.34 68.8 64.4           Lon Kruger (21-11)
12 2007-08 MWC 27 8 .771 12 4 .750 10.23 4.02 69.7 62.3       Lost Second Round 8 Lon Kruger (27-8)
13 2006-07 MWC 30 7 .811 12 4 .750 12.98 5.37 74.9 66.8   19 19 Lost Regional Semifinal 7 Lon Kruger (30-7)
14 2005-06 MWC 17 13 .567 10 6 .625 7.51 4.51 69.5 66.5           Lon Kruger (17-13)
15 2004-05 MWC 17 14 .548 7 7 .500 6.11 5.61 73.3 72.4           Lon Kruger (17-14)
16 2003-04 MWC 18 13 .581 7 7 .500 7.49 5.19 74.0 71.3           Charles Spoonhour (12-9), Jay Spoonhour (6-4)
17 2002-03 MWC 21 11 .656 8 6 .571 9.01 4.67 75.3 71.0           Charles Spoonhour (21-11)
18 2001-02 MWC 21 11 .656 9 5 .643 7.69 4.88 78.3 75.5           Charles Spoonhour (21-11)
19 2000-01 MWC 16 13 .552 7 7 .500 4.60 5.04 75.8 74.8           Bill Bayno (3-4), Max Good (13-9)
20 1999-00 MWC 23 8 .742 10 4 .714 9.74 2.52 82.2 75.0       Lost First Round 10 Bill Bayno (23-8)
Rk Season Conf W L W-L% W L W-L% SRS SOS PTS PTS AP Pre AP High AP Final NCAA Tournament Seed Coach(es)
21 1998-99 WAC 16 13 .552 9 5 .643 8.77 4.52 74.6 68.9           Bill Bayno (16-13)
22 1997-98 WAC 20 13 .606 7 7 .500 7.40 5.31 69.5 66.6       Lost First Round 12 Bill Bayno (20-13)
23 1996-97 WAC 22 10 .688 11 5 .688 7.73 3.45 73.1 68.8           Bill Bayno (22-10)
24 1995-96 Big West 10 16 .385 7 11 .389 -2.34 -0.50 67.0 68.9           Bill Bayno (10-16)
25 1994-95 Big West 12 16 .429 7 11 .389 0.72 2.57 76.7 78.5           Cleveland Edwards (5-9), Howie Landa (5-2), Tim Grgurich (2-5)
26 1993-94 Big West 15 13 .536 10 8 .556 0.87 0.46 77.9 76.3           Rollie Massimino (15-13)
27 1992-93 Big West 21 8 .724 13 5 .722 11.17 3.07 89.4 81.3 22 10 25     Rollie Massimino (21-8)

The only difference is Lon Kruger was a proven coach so I had no doubt he'd turn it around, I have lots of doubts that Marv will or can turn it around, so do the majority of Rebel fans, that's why the T&M is empty these days. The MW was also significantly tougher back then. Again, the Rebels are just 2-7 this year against teams .500 or above. If Menzies comes back next year he better do something special or else the Rebs will be playing in front of 12 people.

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