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1 hour ago, CPslograd said:

Many of the high profile dem presidential candidates have endorsed this absurdity.  As have many well known !efty columnists and journalists.

AOC generates press on her own by saying things like impeach the motherphucker, and posting it will take more than ten years to slaughter all the farting cows on her website.  Why wouldnt the right highlight how crazy parts of the left are?

more curiously, why are you subs cribing some insidious motive to a very predictable and logical response to AOC from republicans?  Thats whats weird and creepy, not normal everyday politics.  You are out in left field on this.

Rashida Tlaib said impeach the mother+++++er. 

And this is my point.

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23 hours ago, thelawlorfaithful said:

Leading Democratic Presidential candidates have endorsed this policy. I’d say it’s more than just the ramblings of a congresswoman.

You can replace this with "republican" and the policy with "REPEAL WITH NO REPLACE OBAMACARE" and it's the same thing (maybe not in 2010 but by the time 2016 happened it was obvious that a replace was needed as much as a repeal). Everybody is looking over their left shoulder until the general, at this point I want to just go back to the party choosing whoever has the party votes by the balls in a smoky room in mid June and we get presented with two candidates whose qualifications are "could bend, twist, coerce, and convince enough other politicians to vote for them" instead of "could convince enough people to caucus in a party primary". IMO it would slide people's interest towards congresspeople (yay!) and the skillset of "making backdoor deals with other movers and shakers and presenting them to the public" is a lot more valuable once they are in the position than the campaigning skillset that Obama and Trump have. 

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9 hours ago, bluerules009 said:

It is being publicized by the right because it is a winning election issue.  AOCDS and her "Green New Deal" is the best thing for republicans election chances since Nancy Pelosi.

That is all.   Trying to make anything more of it than that is idiotic.

Exactly. The Republicans are painting her as a typical Democrat. And given how many Democrats are supporting her ideas, maybe they aren’t wrong. The Democrats leaders would be wise to tell her to STFU. 

 

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15 minutes ago, happycamper said:

You can replace this with "republican" and the policy with "REPEAL WITH NO REPLACE OBAMACARE" and it's the same thing (maybe not in 2010 but by the time 2016 happened it was obvious that a replace was needed as much as a repeal). Everybody is looking over their left shoulder until the general, at this point I want to just go back to the party choosing whoever has the party votes by the balls in a smoky room in mid June and we get presented with two candidates whose qualifications are "could bend, twist, coerce, and convince enough other politicians to vote for them" instead of "could convince enough people to caucus in a party primary". IMO it would slide people's interest towards congresspeople (yay!) and the skillset of "making backdoor deals with other movers and shakers and presenting them to the public" is a lot more valuable once they are in the position than the campaigning skillset that Obama and Trump have. 

LOL, it’s nowhere near the same thing.

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15 minutes ago, NorCalCoug said:

LOL, it’s nowhere near the same thing.

Right, your team's dumb political stunts are wildly different. Tale as old as time. 

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26 minutes ago, soupslam1 said:

Exactly. The Republicans are painting her as a typical Democrat. And given how many Democrats are supporting her ideas, maybe they aren’t wrong. The Democrats leaders would be wise to tell her to STFU. 

You guys are spot on about that. However, the most powerful Democrat remains Nancy Pelosi and she subtly tried to put the kibosh on all the elation about the idea.

Of course, Pelosi doesn't chair the Democratic National Committee and four years ago the Dems put Debbie Wasserman Schultz in charge of that and she basically conspired to rig things so virtually nobody would dare run against Hillary and then when Bernie Sanders briefly reregistered Democrat so he could run against the woman, Schultz and other leaders pulled strings to fix the primary. I don't know enough about Tom Perez to put my finger on his political philosophy but at least he strikes me as somebody ethical enough not to pull that BS and their are some declared candidates like Sherrod Brown who have already had the sense to question where the money is going to come from to fund all that environmental stuff.

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1 hour ago, smltwnrckr said:

Rashida Tlaib said impeach the mother+++++er. 

And this is my point.

What's your point? 

That was covered too.  Sorry, I didn't know which crazy freshman Democrat said what.  They all sound the same. 

AOC gets more hype I guess.  You think it's because she is pretty I guess.  Maybe, who knows.  Not sure what your profound revelation is here. 

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1 minute ago, SleepingGiantsFan said:

You guys are spot on about that. However, the most powerful Democrat remains Nancy Pelosi and she subtly tried to put the kibosh on all the elation about the idea.

Of course, Pelosi doesn't chair the Democratic National Committee and four years ago the Dems put Debbie Wasserman Schultz in charge of that and she basically conspired to rig things so virtually nobody would dare run against Hillary and then when Bernie Sanders briefly reregistered Democrat so he could run against the woman, Schultz and other leaders pulled strings to fix the primary. I don't know enough about Tom Perez to put my finger on his political philosophy but at least he strikes me as somebody ethical enough not to pull that BS and their are some declared candidates like Sherrod Brown who have already had the sense to question where the money is going to come from to fund all that environmental stuff.

Pelosi handled that very well, I have to admit. 

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Just now, Artist formerly known as Hal said:

Living in Wyoming is going to impossible under this deal 

Ah, just design a plug to stick up the ass of all those cows and everything will be hunky dory.

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6 minutes ago, CPslograd said:

What's your point? 

That was covered too.  Sorry, I didn't know which crazy freshman Democrat said what.  They all sound the same. 

AOC gets more hype I guess.  You think it's because she is pretty I guess.  Maybe, who knows.  Not sure what your profound revelation is here. 

My point is that the right has a hard on for AOC right now, and I think it's funny and weird. Even if the GOP is trying to make her the new boogeyman of the Democrat Party, if it's pure strategy, it's still funny and weird. And I think that attributing any loony thing a democrat said to her helps prove my point. Why do I have to have a point beyond that?

The closest thing to profundity that I think may be lurking under all this is the fact that the right seems to treat another high-profile member of congress who basically has the same fundamental beliefs (especially when it comes to planned economies) significantly differently than AOC. Bernie is a sympathetic figure to a lot of conservatives, even Trump. AOC is basically a young brown chick version of Bernie, and she's added a little bit of racial politics to the mix. But she's the devil. Well, she's dumb too. A dumb devil. A dumb she-devil, who's kinda hot, you know? What explains this dynamic? I think the answer to that question is as interesting as anything else in American politics right now.

And let's be clear here - I think the Green New Deal is just as dumb and pointless and bad as you think it is. I've been rolling my eyes at this sort of stuff for years as we've seen it in California. But AOC concerns me very little, because she's a freshman congresswoman with the party that still only runs one half of one branch of government. Apparently a lot of people don't see it that way. There are multiple known crooks who are currently sitting in congress and who are more dangerous to democracy than AOC, by far, and yet here we are. 

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4 minutes ago, smltwnrckr said:

My point is that the right has a hard on for AOC right now, and I think it's funny and weird. Even if the GOP is trying to make her the new boogeyman of the Democrat Party, if it's pure strategy, it's still funny and weird. And I think that attributing any loony thing a democrat said to her helps prove my point. Why do I have to have a point beyond that?

So what?

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1 minute ago, pokebball said:

So what?

she's become a symbol. symbols matter. 

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1 hour ago, NorCalCoug said:

LOL, it’s nowhere near the same thing.

The scope of the policies are hugely different, but I think his point is that the Dem hopefuls are afraid to not sign on to it, just like the Republican hopefuls were afraid to not sign on for repeal.

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1 hour ago, happycamper said:

Right, your team's dumb political stunts are wildly different. Tale as old as time. 

NM - now that I read the whole post I see what you were saying.

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2 hours ago, smltwnrckr said:

she's become a symbol. symbols matter. 

To our psyche symbols tend to matter more than facts. Especially with how utterly detail-focused our government is. Not even the policy people who work with them can muster up a lot of passion about real planning items. We're hardwired to respond to symbols and ceremony though. I mean... that's why we have them.

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2 hours ago, smltwnrckr said:

she's become a symbol. symbols matter. 

A symbol that will get a whole bunch of republicans elected.

She is the best thing that happened to the republican party's election chances since Teddy.

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There we go, that's the link I meant to post. 

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1 minute ago, CPslograd said:

There we go, that's the link I meant to post. 

That’s toxic masculinity.  Gillette does not approve. 

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