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7 hours ago, bluerules009 said:

Other classes are protected because of the racism of government over centuries.   

As long as "special rights", exist though, racism, sexism and hate will be perpetuated.  Which is of course what a commie like you wants, it creates a need for the authoritarian state.

While true, this doesn't tell the whole story, does it? The racism of the government was a reflection of the racism of society. It wasn't top down and it wasn't bottom up, it was suffused throughout all levels of society, from government sponsored racism to how you snubbed someone on the street to what businesses wouldn't serve people.

Seriously blues your big blind spot about racism is probably that while it makes no sense economically, some people and cultures do not care about the economic hit. They'd rather be a bit poorer as a society and as an individual than have racial equality. It is weird to me too but the evidence is there. 

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The problem I have with government and other institutional programs to address historical racial dynamics is that the people that support and profess them are some of the biggest hypocrites I've ever experienced.  They are generally unwilling to give up their privilege while expecting others to give up theirs.

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4 hours ago, happycamper said:

While true, this doesn't tell the whole story, does it? The racism of the government was a reflection of the racism of society. It wasn't top down and it wasn't bottom up, it was suffused throughout all levels of society, from government sponsored racism to how you snubbed someone on the street to what businesses wouldn't serve people.

Seriously blues your big blind spot about racism is probably that while it makes no sense economically, some people and cultures do not care about the economic hit. They'd rather be a bit poorer as a society and as an individual than have racial equality. It is weird to me too but the evidence is there. 

The racism of society wouldn't be a significant problem without the government allowing, assisting and perpetuating the racism.   Without government support that racism would have went a way.  A diner would have allowed black and white customers.  Schools would have allowed black and white students.  Government not only enforced racism on blacks it enforced it on whites too.   If government wasn't racist, liberal thinking white people could have served blacks just like they served whites.  Soon the racists would have seen the profits decided they didn't like being excluded from society and society would change as well. 

Your blind spot is that you think blacks or others need your help.  They don't, they just need a semi fair shot.  Nothing is ever totally fair in the world, ugly people don't get the breaks pretty people do to start and it proceeds from there.  Expecting absolute equality is a child's dream.   Special rights just create and perpetuate racism and hate.

Seriously grow up.

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22 minutes ago, bluerules009 said:

The racism of society wouldn't be a significant problem without the government allowing, assisting and perpetuating the racism.   Without government support that racism would have went a way.  A diner would have allowed black and white customers.  Schools would have allowed black and white students.  Government not only enforced racism on blacks it enforced it on whites too.   If government wasn't racist, liberal thinking white people could have served blacks just like they served whites.  Soon the racists would have seen the profits decided they didn't like being excluded from society and society would change as well. 

Your blind spot is that you think blacks or others need your help.  They don't, they just need a semi fair shot.  Nothing is ever totally fair in the world, ugly people don't get the breaks pretty people do to start and it proceeds from there.  Expecting absolute equality is a child's dream.   Special rights just create and perpetuate racism and hate.

Seriously grow up.

So... in your interesting view, where did the impetus for these government rules come from? Where did the ideas come from? What legislators were putting these laws forward? Who was electing them? How did this happen in a society which only apparently had racism from the government in the first place?

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29 minutes ago, happycamper said:

So... in your interesting view, where did the impetus for these government rules come from? Where did the ideas come from? What legislators were putting these laws forward? Who was electing them? How did this happen in a society which only apparently had racism from the government in the first place?

It doesn't matter who elected them.  They were elected, they swore to uphold the laws of the country and at every level, federal, state and local they did not do so.  They either actively broke the law or ignored the situation.    When you join the government, military or take any job you agree to certain ground rules and you aren't supposed to have a choice.  The government was racist because the people in government allowed it to happen.   Judges, Sheriffs, federal law enforcement and judges, political leaders all failed to do their sworn duty.  

Your excuse is only that child.

The only real need of government is a predictable legal system with predictable outcomes for everyone.   Everything else government does is extra and unneeded for society to function.   Government was the only problem, they failed in a most basic way by not providing even this low level of competency.

Trump was elected president.  He swore to uphold the laws of this country.  Judges and legislators have fought him on many of his policies they think violate peoples rights or the laws of the country.   This is how it is supposed to work.  They are holding him accountable.    No one held anyone in government accountable for decades in government, that was the problem.   

Society couldn't change until government started to do their job.   Even those who wanted to change couldn't do so.  Racism was enforced just as much on whites as on blacks.  So until government changed, society couldn't change.

Your racist views that minorities need your help will just continue to perpetuate racism.

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5 minutes ago, bluerules009 said:

It doesn't matter who elected them.  They were elected, they swore to uphold the laws of the country and at every level, federal, state and local they did not do so.  They either actively broke the law or ignored the situation.    When you join the government, military or take any job you agree to certain ground rules and you aren't supposed to have a choice.  The government was racist because the people in government allowed it to happen.   Judges, Sheriffs, federal law enforcement and judges, political leaders all failed to do their sworn duty.  

Your excuse is only that child.

The only real need of government is a predictable legal system with predictable outcomes for everyone.   Everything else government does is extra and unneeded for society to function.   Government was the only problem, they failed in a most basic way by not providing even this low level of competency.

Trump was elected president.  He swore to uphold the laws of this country.  Judges and legislators have fought him on many of his policies they think violate peoples rights or the laws of the country.   This is how it is supposed to work.  They are holding him accountable.    No one held anyone in government accountable for decades in government, that was the problem.   

Society couldn't change until government started to do their job.   Even those who wanted to change couldn't do so.  Racism was enforced just as much on whites as on blacks.  So until government changed, society couldn't change.

Your racist views that minorities need your help will just continue to perpetuate racism.

Blues, what are you talking about? Upholding the laws of the country at every level have been racist for approximately 5 times longer than they haven't been - and even then you get in to the weeds very quickly about laws with racist intent and laws with racist outcomes. 

Do you have any kind of knowledge about the US or our legal system?

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4 minutes ago, happycamper said:

Blues, what are you talking about? Upholding the laws of the country at every level have been racist for approximately 5 times longer than they haven't been - and even then you get in to the weeds very quickly about laws with racist intent and laws with racist outcomes. 

Do you have any kind of knowledge about the US or our legal system?

Okay, so you are not responsive now.   This is what happens every time with you.    Your arguments are exposed and you start the insults.   So right back at you moron.

You and your ilk are racist, nothing you can even argue.  Minorities do not need your help to be equal.  They just need government to do their job.  Judges and law enforcement to function the same way for them as for anyone else.    Just like the rest of us, minorities can overcome everything else easily.  They don't need your or my help racist.  They just need government to do its job and give them fair treatment under the law.

 

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Just now, bluerules009 said:

Okay, so you are not responsive now.   This is what happens every time with you.    Your arguments are exposed and you start the insults.   So right back at you moron.

You and your ilk are racist, nothing you can even argue.  Minorities do not need your help to be equal.  They just need government to do their job.  Judges and law enforcement to function the same way for them as for anyone else.    Just like the rest of us, minorities can overcome everything else easily.  They don't need your or my help racist.  They just need government to do its job and give them fair treatment under the law.

 

Blues, your entire line of reasoning seems to be based on the idea that the government and its laws are completely fair and have been completely fair forever and that the only problem has been the actual people in government doing their job incorrectly.

Do you realize how wrong that is? I mean, the country was founded with racism enshrined into the constitution, we had explicitly racist laws for the vast majority of our nation's existence, when explicitly racist laws were struck down, laws with racist intent and/or outcomes were passed and are still on the books today. The premise which you've so conveniently laid out is just laughably contrary to facts.

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3 minutes ago, happycamper said:

Blues, your entire line of reasoning seems to be based on the idea that the government and its laws are completely fair and have been completely fair forever and that the only problem has been the actual people in government doing their job incorrectly.

Do you realize how wrong that is? I mean, the country was founded with racism enshrined into the constitution, we had explicitly racist laws for the vast majority of our nation's existence, when explicitly racist laws were struck down, laws with racist intent and/or outcomes were passed and are still on the books today. The premise which you've so conveniently laid out is just laughably contrary to facts.

It doesn't matter if the laws are fair child.  It only matters that everyone gets the same predictable outcome.  

"Fair", is something children argue about.

 

What is the real problem is your very real racism.  That you continually ignore in all your responses.   George Washington and the framers of the constitution can't be blamed for that.

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1 minute ago, bluerules009 said:

It doesn't matter if the laws are fair child.  It only matters that everyone gets the same predictable outcome.  

"Fair", is something children argue about.

So your argument is that Jim Crow and legalized slavery did nothing because the outcome was predictable?

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2 minutes ago, happycamper said:

So your argument is that Jim Crow and legalized slavery did nothing because the outcome was predictable?

Jim Crow was a violation of the law of the land it was a symptom of government not doing their job.

Legalized slavery was over 154 years ago.

Your racism is still alive today and that is the current problem.  

George Washington and the framers of the constitution can't be blamed for that.

 
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Just now, bluerules009 said:

Jim Crow was a violation of the law of the land it was a symptom of government not doing their job.

Legalized slavery was over 154 years ago.

Your racism is still alive today and that is the current problem.

So your argument is that the law of the land isn't the law of the land and that we should just disregard any actual laws that don't fit your argument?

That isn't discussing anything, blues, that's denying reality to fit your chosen opinion. good day.

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10 minutes ago, happycamper said:

So your argument is that the law of the land isn't the law of the land and that we should just disregard any actual laws that don't fit your argument?

That isn't discussing anything, blues, that's denying reality to fit your chosen opinion. good day.

You seem to have problems addressing your racism.  You won't face the fact you thinking minorities need your help is a racist view.

The laws of the land if applied equally to all give everyone the same opportunity.   You seem unwilling to acknowledge that Jim Crow was a government perpetuated racism.  You try to use slavery and laws centuries old to somehow excuse your racism today.

You are just not an honest person.  You aren't even honest with yourself.   

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Sen Hutchings issued her response this afternoon...
 
Senator Hutchings Responds To Allegations
Doug Randall

Wyoming Senator Lynn  Hutchings has issued a statement in response to allegations that she recently compared homosexuality to bestiality and pedophilia.
Wyoming Equality last week accused the senator of making the following statement to members of the Cheyenne Central High School Gay-Straight Alliance: “If my sexual orientation was to have sex with all of the men in there and I had sex with all of the women in there and then they brought their children and I had sex with all of them and then brought their dogs in and I had sex with them, should I be protected for my sexual orientation?” 

Hutchings allegedly made the remark to a group of about ten students on Feb. 1. The students said they had asked to speak to her about a bill to offer protection against job and hiring discrimination.

But Hutchings, in a statement issued Tuesday afternoon, says ''I at no time compared homosexuality with bestiality or pedophilia. That never happened." Hutchings further says she has been the target of "racial slurs, character assassination and threats." 

Here is the statement she issued on Tuesday afternoon:
"On February 1st I was called out of Senate chambers by a group of High School students asking about a bill in the House, HB0230. It would add sexual orientation and gender identity to state law. Although the bill had not reached the Senate, and I hadn’t read it, in an effort to be courteous I spoke to them. I made an attempt to best engage several of them by asking four rhetorical questions. These students were brought to the Jonah Building to lobby for this topic about sexual orientation. My questions to them were intended to highlight the vagueness and subjectivity of the term "sexual orientation" and how it can be defined in so many ways. After spending more time with them than I expected, we cordially parted company with fist bumps all around.
It is unfortunate, but I now recognize, that my attempts at meaningful dialogue on this specific issue did not come across as I intended. I believe I treated these students kindly. I want to make it clear that my conversation was not intended to demean these students. I at no time compared homosexuality with bestiality or pedophilia. That never happened.

However, those same individuals demanding an apology, respect, and tolerance have assaulted me with racial slurs, character assassination, profanity and threats. It is unfortunate that this behavior has arisen as the result of a fabricated and one-sided story.

I will always guard a person’s ability to freely make choices regarding their lives. I respect the rights of everyone to make choices freely. However, with this freedom comes the responsibility to tolerate those with different views and opinions. That is especially true in the legislature, which must be a place where we come together to debate real-life ideas, some we agree with, some we do not. For all of us, including myself, this situation provides a learning opportunity for us to find better ways discuss to these issues in a respectful manner, while also extending grace to one another when we say things inartfully.

The business community however; should be outraged, as this will only continue to bring negative and unjustified attention to Wyoming as another untruth is spread across the country."

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16 hours ago, bluerules009 said:

You think people need special rights and gifts from you because they aren't capable of being equal without your help.

That is the very definition of racism.

 

No dumb-dumb, I'm not in the equation at all.  Minorities fought for their protected status. All I've done is agree with them.

It's retards like you and yer libertarded buddies who think in back-asswords ways that putting into the constitution that they can't be discriminated against gives them some sort of advantage over you.  All that does is highlight how little about history you know or understand. 

You'd think with your Liz Warren claim to being part Native American you might understand how some people have been discriminated against.  But who knows why you made that outrageous claim.  Even so, it doesn't change the fact that people have and continue to be discriminated against for stupid reasons.  Like the color of their skin, their religion, their gender, and/or their sexual orientation. 

Stop being so phucktarded.

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3 hours ago, Boise fan said:

No dumb-dumb, I'm not in the equation at all.  Minorities fought for their protected status. All I've done is agree with them.

It's retards like you and yer libertarded buddies who think in back-asswords ways that putting into the constitution that they can't be discriminated against gives them some sort of advantage over you.  All that does is highlight how little about history you know or understand. 

You'd think with your Liz Warren claim to being part Native American you might understand how some people have been discriminated against.  But who knows why you made that outrageous claim.  Even so, it doesn't change the fact that people have and continue to be discriminated against for stupid reasons.  Like the color of their skin, their religion, their gender, and/or their sexual orientation. 

Stop being so phucktarded.

Of course people are discriminated against.  People like you think they are superior to minorities.  Like you stated above.  It is called racism.

 

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2 hours ago, bluerules009 said:

Of course people are discriminated against.  People like you think they are superior to minorities.  Like you stated above.  It is called racism.

 

I see you've doubled down on being phucktarded. 

People like you think they are superior to minorities.  That's why your panties are in a wad at the notion they may want constitutional protections from people like you.

I, on the other hand, believe that minorities are the ones best equipped to decide if they are being discriminated against, and respect their efforts to lobby for protections from people like you.  All I do is offer support.  Your rechtie diatribe that somehow those protections make them inferior is just a backhanded way of being a racist.

But you want to dictate to women about their wombs, so is it any surprise you want to dictate to minorities what protections they can have? 

In Libertardia, there are no protections for minorities, and corporations rule everything.  That's about as phucktarded a world as one could imagine. 

I have to shake my head in awe at how clueless you are to the world around you.

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