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The Longest Government Shutdown in Our History is Finally Over

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20 minutes ago, nocoolnamejim said:

Re: the general subject of the wall and funding thereof.

 

If it were that important to the GOP, why didn't they secure it when they had unified control over the federal government over the first two years that Trump was in office?

Or if they didn't have the votes then to secure it, why would they think that they'd be able to accomplish it now once they got slaughtered in a midterm election?

 

It lacks logic. 

politics lack logic, at least to me

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41 minutes ago, UNLV2001 said:

Remember trump always saying the GOP was holding together !! He lied !! :surrender:

 

I'm not surprised.  Both sides holding this line is tough, right?

Americans are hurting over the shutdown.  Both sides felt there side was right and was unwilling to budge.  As America hurts more and more, both sides had to be asking themselves whether their stubbornness was worth the increasing cost to them (and to us).

I'm glad one side blinked

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10 minutes ago, pokebball said:

I'm blaming all of them

When one side takes a hostage and the other side refuses to negotiate with terrorists for fear of encouraging the behavior and making it happen again, should both be equally blamed?

Let's review here.

>The GOP lead Senate passed a bill, unanimously, to keep the government open. Trump had signaled his acceptance of this.

>Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh threw a hissy fit about it not having wall funding

>Trump changed his mind and said he wouldn't accept anything without wall funding

>Paul Ryan refused to allow a vote on the unanimously passed Senate bill.

>Shutdown started.

>Trump demands Pelosi fund his wall despite just having lost badly in an election largely centered around the very issue.

>She says no.

>Shutdown continues.

>Polls go badly against Trump and the GOP for obvious reasons...that Trump is on camera saying that it's his shutdown and also because it began while the GOP controlled ALL branches of the federal government.

>Trump folds, intelligently choosing to do so on a day when Roger Stone got indicted. Might as well have two bad stories on the same day when there are limited column inches to write with than spread them out.

The only thing Democrats are guilty of is campaigning on something and then not immediately capitulating once they're sworn in by giving into a guy realizing he's got a base problem and throwing a tantrum, deliberately hurting hundreds of thousands of people by betting that the Dems will fold because they care more than he does about the harm being inflicted concessions.

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1 minute ago, nocoolnamejim said:

When one side takes a hostage and the other side refuses to negotiate with terrorists for fear of encouraging the behavior and making it happen again, should both be equally blamed?

Let's review here.

>The GOP lead Senate passed a bill, unanimously, to keep the government open. Trump had signaled his acceptance of this.

>Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh threw a hissy fit about it not having wall funding

>Trump changed his mind and said he wouldn't accept anything without wall funding

>Paul Ryan refused to allow a vote on the unanimously passed Senate bill.

>Shutdown started.

>Trump demands Pelosi fund his wall despite just having lost badly in an election largely centered around the very issue.

>She says no.

>Shutdown continues.

>Polls go badly against Trump and the GOP for obvious reasons...that Trump is on camera saying that it's his shutdown and also because it began while the GOP controlled ALL branches of the federal government.

>Trump folds, intelligently choosing to do so on a day when Roger Stone got indicted. Might as well have two bad stories on the same day when there are limited column inches to write with than spread them out.

The only thing Democrats are guilty of is campaigning on something and then not immediately capitulating once they're sworn in by giving into a guy realizing he's got a base problem and throwing a tantrum, deliberately hurting hundreds of thousands of people by betting that the Dems will fold because they care more than he does about the harm being inflicted.

Each side rationalizing to the world their position and innocence.  Neither side did their job.  They failed us.

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Just now, pokebball said:

Is the hostage the US?  Are you suggesting the house didn't take America hostage?  I call BS

I covered that.

>Paul Ryan refused to allow a vote on the unanimously passed Senate bill.

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When a shutdown begins when one party controls all branches of the government and the leader of the party declares that it will be his shutdown, it's REALLY hard to spin that it isn't that party's fault.

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4 minutes ago, pokebball said:

I'm not surprised.  Both sides holding this line is tough, right?

Americans are hurting over the shutdown.  Both sides felt there side was right and was unwilling to budge.  As America hurts more and more, both sides had to be asking themselves whether their stubbornness was worth the increasing cost to them (and to us).

I'm glad one side blinked

The GOP side was considerably weaker - They could have passed this in late 2018 when the GOP controlled all branches but they bungled it - then trump decided to take the government workers hostage over his wall and that strategy failed miserably 

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2 minutes ago, UNLV2001 said:

The GOP side was considerably weaker - They could have passed this in late 2018 when the GOP controlled all branches but they bungled it - then trump decided to take the government workers hostage over his wall and that strategy failed miserably 

Hindsight is 20/20.  Don't you think the GOP would have passed this back in 18 if they knew we'd be where we are today?

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3 hours ago, TheSanDiegan said:

I think you cold be on to something here, poke.

The SOTU was so critical to his messenging that once he gets the chance to use the forum to sell his WALL NOW speech, he might very well feel more emboldened to return to the same bullshit tactic.

 

I think the SotU is more "...critical to his...(ego than his) messaging."

 

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Just now, pokebball said:

Common in both houses by both sides.  All of them failed us. 

No. You have yet to show how any side other than the GOP failed us.

Again.

1. The GOP had full control of government for two years.

2. They did not pass funding for the wall.

3. There was a national election that Democrats won big on, largely running against the concept of a wall.

4. The GOP controlled Senate voted unanimously to pass funding that did not include a wall because Trump had said he'd accept it.

5. Fox News complained and called him weak.

6. He changed his mind and said he'd no longer accept anything without a wall...after being on video saying that it was his shutdown and he wouldn't blame the Dems for it.

7. The shutdown started before the Democrats were sworn in.

8. The Democrats did not immediately decide to give into the hostage taker's demands.

This isn't opinion. This is the exact timeline. No. Stop this BS both siderism. 

The shutdown began because Trump saw something on Fox News that made him scared of losing his base. The shutdown continued because McConnell covered his ass and didn't allow the bill that passed 100-0 to come to a vote before yesterday. 

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4 minutes ago, nocoolnamejim said:

When a shutdown begins when one party controls all branches of the government and the leader of the party declares that it will be his shutdown, it's REALLY hard to spin that it isn't that party's fault.

I'm not saying the GOP is innocent.  I'm saying they are at fault.  Your saying the Dems are innocent, I think, right?  What happened to the shutdown when they took control of the House?  It ended the next day, right?

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1 minute ago, nocoolnamejim said:

No. You have yet to show how any side other than the GOP failed us.

Again.

1. The GOP had full control of government for two years.

2. They did not pass funding for the wall.

3. There was a national election that Democrats won big on, largely running against the concept of a wall.

4. The GOP controlled Senate voted unanimously to pass funding that did not include a wall because Trump had said he'd accept it.

5. Fox News complained and called him weak.

6. He changed his mind and said he'd no longer accept anything without a wall...after being on video saying that it was his shutdown and he wouldn't blame the Dems for it.

7. The shutdown started before the Democrats were sworn in.

8. The Democrats did not immediately decide to give into the hostage taker's demands.

This isn't opinion. This is the exact timeline. No. Stop this BS both siderism. 

The shutdown began because Trump saw something on Fox News that made him scared of losing his base. The shutdown continued because McConnell covered his ass and didn't allow the bill that passed 100-0 to come to a vote before yesterday. 

Grant Napear is right. Trump's gonna have to own this. 

Planning is an exercise of power, and in a modern state much real power is suffused with boredom. The agents of planning are usually boring; the planning process is boring; the implementation of plans is always boring. In a democracy boredom works for bureaucracies and corporations as smell works for skunk. It keeps danger away. Power does not have to be exercised behind the scenes. It can be open. The audience is asleep. The modern world is forged amidst our inattention.

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5 minutes ago, nocoolnamejim said:

No. You have yet to show how any side other than the GOP failed us.

Again.

1. The GOP had full control of government for two years.

2. They did not pass funding for the wall.

3. There was a national election that Democrats won big on, largely running against the concept of a wall.

4. The GOP controlled Senate voted unanimously to pass funding that did not include a wall because Trump had said he'd accept it.

5. Fox News complained and called him weak.

6. He changed his mind and said he'd no longer accept anything without a wall...after being on video saying that it was his shutdown and he wouldn't blame the Dems for it.

7. The shutdown started before the Democrats were sworn in.

8. The Democrats did not immediately decide to give into the hostage taker's demands.

This isn't opinion. This is the exact timeline. No. Stop this BS both siderism. 

The shutdown began because Trump saw something on Fox News that made him scared of losing his base. The shutdown continued because McConnell covered his ass and didn't allow the bill that passed 100-0 to come to a vote before yesterday. 

Dig in my friend

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