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On 1/21/2019 at 6:36 PM, renoskier said:

Well, one of the main reasons which is often given, is so illegal immigrants will cooperate with police, without fear of deportation, in order to help solve violent crimes.

Does that reason not make sense?

In the Newman police shooting case, about a half hour from where I live, the police officer who was gunned down, was a legal immigrant.   Not only was he gunned down by an illegal immigrant, 7 illegal immigrants are in custody having tried to help him flee justice and escape to Mexico.

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3 hours ago, Jackrabbit said:

Wait, your argument is that elitists aren't conservative? Jack, the elitists are the ones with the most to lose and the least to gain by change.  Elitists want change, their way.  They sincerely believe we do not know what is good for us. Perhaps the best example is Hillary's "deplorable' s" comment. She clearly meant it.

Jack, both candidates were elitist in that election. Hell, they were both from the same social strata! They were upper crust New York elitists. Hillary represented the status quo and Trump represented change. I'm not sure how two elitists, one wanting change and one wanting the status quo, shows that "elitists want change". 

History and just basic thought shows us that elites tend to be the most conservative in society. I do not know what your definition of "conservative" (not talking social conservatism)  is but one of the basics is that a conservative should believe that one should live and let live, and not want to impose rules on someone else that you don't want to live by. the hypocrisy of the elites is stunning.  I honestly believe you admire them for their "intelligence". 

Jack, conservatives are those who in general don't want change. That's the most boiled down definition of the word; it's also why true conservatives are struggling to fit Trump into that bubble. Jack, do you honestly think that the "elites" are the only ones who have harsher standards for others than they do for themselves? They're just the ones with more power to make rules! Talk to anybody and they expect others to listen more than they do, to be more polite, to be more frugal, to be more hardworking. The way our mind works we have reasons and others have excuses. Do you really think it is any different at any level?

I "approve" of leftists? Jack, I said that their policies are based on what they think will make their lives better instead of "america hate". They're as noble as anyone else- they want the system to work better for them....Bullshit.   Do not deny that one of the great motivators in our political belief is hatred or resentment of other classes. I can relate to this personally, once upon a time when I realized that I was full of resentment,  I then grew up and took care of myself. We have a political system being built on punishing groups, best example is Obama's statement: "Reward our friends and punish our enemies" to a minority group.

That is one, certainly, but it really works well when things are going poorly. Middle class people don't need resentment; it's people who are doing worse than their parents who have resentment.

What are you talking about, "based on punishing groups"? How is that a basis for any part of the political system? You will need to spell this out.

YOU CANNOT DENY the new democratic party now advocates more for illegal immigrants than the American citizen.  The party smells voters.

Jack, what are you talking about? The democratic party is absolutely advocating for Americans far more than for illegal immigrants. There's a difference between "wants to regularize the millions of long term illegals because they're woven into society" and "advocates for illegals more than Citizens" and that difference is as wide and deep as the pacific. Also, the party smells voters? What are you talking about? Illegals represent what, 3% of the population that could become voters in 15 years? That's not the voters anyone smells. The republicans smell voters who get scurred by mentions of illegals and the democrats smell voters who think that the whole thing is stupid. The illegals themselves are only collaterally on either party's radar.

What do you mean, "the new dems have to hide their agenda"? AOC posted her agenda on the internet wide and clear. Rashida Talib says with no minced words what she thinks. The first tendency is to be radical and to centrally plan change.  Her first comments had to be scrubbed because it smacked of socialism and the Dems had to hide it.  Again, how is destroying the economy going to make our lives better? It is a pie in the sky dream that eco central planning will succeed and not a market based change

Jack, have you been paying attention to this at all? Nancy Pelosi said "that's nice, dear" in response to the GND. It isn't the "dems" hiding it; it's the mainstream democrats rolling their eyes at it. 

Jack, the democrats represent areas with high property values/high density and republicans represent the opposite. That's just what we've ended up with as parties. Doesn't have much to do with "working man" - as if anyone in this country doesn't work, anyway?   Thats fine...the dems should use their local systems to make their lives better (Chicago) , not the federal system to impose their disastrous will on the rural states. 

Sure, they can absolutely use local systems to make lives better. And they do. But Jack, Chicago is screwed because it was essentially Jim Crow democrats who ruled the city well into the '70s and who managed to segregate it. How would local control help against that? We use the federal government to aid minorities because they are the, uh, minority and can't vote in help. For that matter, it has been federal systems who caused the disasters in the first place in many cases, look at my oft cited FHA example. Why is it now taboo to use that same apparatus to fix the problems? 

 

Jack, seriously, what are you arguing? You don't have a coherent thought on here. You start with DEMS BAD AND WANT TO DESTROY and force everything into that narrative instead of just, like, reading what they are actually saying. 

Remember that every argument you have with someone on MWCboard is actually the continuation of a different argument they had with someone else also on MWCboard. 

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Kamala Harris is a not ready for prime time politician. She may have gotten elected to the Senate, but given her demographics and support from Willie Brown who basically ran the state legislature for two decades, she was a lock in liberal California. On the national level she's going to have a much tougher row to hoe and as an early front runner, the sites of the rest of the field are going to be focused on her.

 

Boom goes the dynamite.

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2 hours ago, happycamper said:

Jack, seriously, what are you arguing? You don't have a coherent thought on here. You start with DEMS BAD AND WANT TO DESTROY and force everything into that narrative instead of just, like, reading what they are actually saying. 

This thread is about the new dems 1st instincts...use central planning to destroy the US economy to save the planet, and euthanizing babies. Most of the prez candidates are on board so the movement is hardly  a fringe one. 

You want to defend/argue that, I dont know what else is to be said. 

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The core of the Democratic party, as well as many liberal posters here, actually hates America.  Buttigige' (sp?) Popularity is showing that  .   Somehow, I really wish I could introduce my Dad to these folks.   He represents what a Dem used to be about.  

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On 2/12/2019 at 10:50 AM, SleepingGiantsFan said:

I'll ask YOU this. Have you ever actually lived where more than a small handful of residents speak Spanish? See this about El Paso: https://www.areavibes.com/el+paso-tx/demographics/

My brother is named Peter and typically refers to himself as Pete but even before he married a Mexican-American woman, we often called him Pedro since Latin nicknames are so common here in SoCal. I mean, with due respect, you act like you've fully bought into the cultural appropriation idea. IMO, that concept is beginning to become the new race card. In other words, both have a valid basis but both are too often being used as aces up their sleeve by debate players who can't win through playing fairly.

As to your final point, I've always indicated that I don't agree with you that a white candidate can't win the Democratic primary. In fact, although I don't want him to do so, polls show the nomination would be Biden's to lose if he was to run.

I lived in a Salinas for a while where a ton of people speak Spanish, and I knew exactly zero non-Latino people with Latin nicknames. 

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1 hour ago, SalinasSpartan said:

I lived in a Salinas for a while where a ton of people speak Spanish, and I knew exactly zero non-Latino people with Latin nicknames. 

Don't concern yourself. In February when that debate you dredged up about O'Rourke's authenticity was going on, the guy mattered. Four months later he's now irrelevant.

Boom goes the dynamite.

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3 hours ago, Jackrabbit said:

The core of the Democratic party, as well as many liberal posters here, actually hates America.  Buttigige' (sp?) Popularity is showing that  .   Somehow, I really wish I could introduce my Dad to these folks.   He represents what a Dem used to be about.  

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2 hours ago, SalinasSpartan said:

I lived in a Salinas for a while where a ton of people speak Spanish, and I knew exactly zero non-Latino people with Latin nicknames. 

I lived in Salinas...  Spanish was the primary language of the entire east side of that town (street signs, store names, etc).  You’re right about Latin nicknames.  That’s a strange point he’s trying to make and defend.

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Since we are talking identity politics. Alexandria’s real name is Sandy. And she grew up in a wealthy part of town, not in Harlem or the Bronx. Yet she is trying to pass herself off as a poor Hispanic saying I am one of you. Lol. Sandy and Robert are using the same strategies. 

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22 minutes ago, soupslam1 said:

Since we are talking identity politics. Alexandria’s real name is Sandy. And she grew up in a wealthy part of town, not in Harlem or the Bronx. Yet she is trying to pass herself off as a poor Hispanic saying I am one of you. Lol. Sandy and Robert are using the same strategies. 

Thank you for proving just how deranged conservatives such as yourself are as it pertains to AOC. Her nickname in high school and college was Sandy. Additionally, a very simple Wikipedia look-up shows that she was actually born in the Bronx and lived there until she was five. 

So, you're not playing "identity politics", you're just attempting to attack someone for pretending to be something that she isn't, when... well she actually is. It does look like she grew up in a more affluent area after the age of five, but then moved back to the Bronx after college. I don't know a whole lot about her, but man, the derangement y'all have about a 29 year old freshman congresswoman is +++++ing hilarious. 

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47 minutes ago, soupslam1 said:

Since we are talking identity politics. Alexandria’s real name is Sandy. And she grew up in a wealthy part of town, not in Harlem or the Bronx. Yet she is trying to pass herself off as a poor Hispanic saying I am one of you. Lol. Sandy and Robert are using the same strategies. 

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4 hours ago, retrofade said:

Thank you for proving just how deranged conservatives such as yourself are as it pertains to AOC. Her nickname in high school and college was Sandy. Additionally, a very simple Wikipedia look-up shows that she was actually born in the Bronx and lived there until she was five. 

So, you're not playing "identity politics", you're just attempting to attack someone for pretending to be something that she isn't, when... well she actually is. It does look like she grew up in a more affluent area after the age of five, but then moved back to the Bronx after college. I don't know a whole lot about her, but man, the derangement y'all have about a 29 year old freshman congresswoman is +++++ing hilarious. 

 They're right to be. Socialist ideas gains traction when people feel the game is rigged and upward mobility is stifled.  If that feeling keeps progressing she's going to be president.

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On 1/18/2019 at 10:47 AM, Jackrabbit said:

I am also an Indy.  The current Republican party started to move back to reagan... which is good. ...the Dems, on the other hand.......

Wait what?  The current Republican Party is nothing like Reagan.  

Reagan supported environmental issues.  I worked on a Republican lead environmental bill that would never pass a Republican Congress today.   Reagan supported and passed immigration reform and would never have separated children from their parents.  

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8 hours ago, toonkee said:

 They're right to be. Socialist ideas gains traction when people feel the game is rigged and upward mobility is stifled.  If that feeling keeps progressing she's going to be president.

You obviously don’t get it. I love it how the left likes to say that the right is so threatened by her, so worried about her, etc. That is as delusional as it gets. We want her to be the presidential candidate, please, please, please.!!! No, the right enjoys mocking her. There’s nothing worse than a newby to come into a place and pimp her radical extremist bullshit with no respect for her party elders. On top of that, she doesn’t even know what she’s saying half the time. For someone as dumb as her to be sooooooo sure that her radical policies would help America is itself very offensive to even plenty of Dems. 

She’s the polar opposite of a smart, respectful underdog that everyone wants to pull for. Her arrogance matched with her breath taking stupidity make it fun to mock her, and mock the Dem Party for being such a dumb party that would allow someone so unqualified and inappropriate to be pushing such ridiculous policies and have so much influence in the Dem. primaries. So it’s a mixed bag, or a mixed bad as to why the folks on the right respond to her the way they do. 😂👍

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3 hours ago, Nevada Convert said:

You obviously don’t get it. I love it how the left likes to say that the right is so threatened by her, so worried about her, etc. That is as delusional as it gets. We want her to be the presidential candidate, please, please, please.!!! No, the right enjoys mocking her. There’s nothing worse than a newby to come into a place and pimp her radical extremist bullshit with no respect for her party elders. On top of that, she doesn’t even know what she’s saying half the time. For someone as dumb as her to be sooooooo sure that her radical policies would help America is itself very offensive to even plenty of Dems. 

She’s the polar opposite of a smart, respectful underdog that everyone wants to pull for. Her arrogance matched with her breath taking stupidity make it fun to mock her, and mock the Dem Party for being such a dumb party that would allow someone so unqualified and inappropriate to be pushing such ridiculous policies and have so much influence in the Dem. primaries. So it’s a mixed bag, or a mixed bad as to why the folks on the right respond to her the way they do. 😂👍

#1. You pretty much describe Trump in most of that.

#2. Nah, you don't get it. I didn't say she would be a good president or that I wanted her to be president. I said conditions are ripening for her or someone like her to be president. That should worry us all. 

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2 hours ago, toonkee said:

#1. You pretty much describe Trump in most of that.

#2. Nah, you don't get it. I didn't say she would be a good president or that I wanted her to be president. I said conditions are ripening for her or someone like her to be president. That should worry us all. 

On your second point, if our country is forced to endure another four years of Trump there is going to be a backlash. AOC will turn 35 on October 13, 2024, or just prior to the presidential election, and so will be old enough to run. Trump got elected to a great extent because of right-wing vitriol toward the Dems for Obama and Hillary. Another four years of Trump just could mobilize such a huge percentage of voters on the left and millennials that AOC could win the general election. Certainly she could win the Democratic primary. Hell, if I'm forced to survive an additional four years of Trump, I would probably vote for her in a heartbeat in November 2024 just to retaliate against Trump's base.

Boom goes the dynamite.

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3 minutes ago, SleepingGiantsFan said:

On your second point, if our country is forced to endure another four years of Trump there is going to be a backlash. AOC will turn 35 on October 13, 2024, or just prior to the presidential election, and so will be old enough to run. Trump got elected to a great extent because of right-wing vitriol toward the Dems for Obama and Hillary. Another four years of Trump just could mobilize such a huge percentage of voters on the left that AOC could win the general election. Certainly she could win the Democratic primary.

Wait!  What?

Did you just blame the vitirol against Hillary on the Repubs?  Like for reals?  Like Hillary had nothing to do with it?

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9 minutes ago, pokebball said:

Wait!  What?

Did you just blame the vitirol against Hillary on the Repubs?  Like for reals?  Like Hillary had nothing to do with it?

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Hillary certainly had much to do with it. However, let's be honest. Some here exude equal derision for Obama.

And I'm focusing not on the entirety of the Republican Party. I'm focusing on Trump's "base" which is composed of a significant number of bat shit crazy Libertarians or libertarians. People like those who don't think there should be any gun control whatsoever. And people like those who live in places like the city east of St. George, UT who don't ever finish one exterior wall of their house so they can take advantage of some screwy Utah supreme court decision which opined that means the structure is still in the building stage so they're exempt from paying property taxes. Or people like Amon Bundy and his family who think they should be able to graze their cattle on government land forever without having to pay a fee for its use. THOSE kinds of people.

Boom goes the dynamite.

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