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3 minutes ago, bluerules009 said:

Some libertarians would say no one should get a vote everyone should just do what they want.  Kind of the anarchy wing.

In my view they should get the vote from a libertarian point of view but I don't view libertarianism as a death pact and ttheir past votes have in my view canceled their right to vote because they are trying to cancel everyone elses rights.

It is pretty simple Trump.

Hypocritical misogynist. 

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39 minutes ago, sebasour said:

 

I've seen 3 people advocate it (though in fairness 1 may have been joking, I'm not really sure).

 

I mostly do roll my eyes and ignore blues, but I'm just using him as an example to illustrate something that I find problematic. I often see people get up in arms over "PC culture" (which is just generally people trying to make the world a friendlier place), yet just shrug off blatantly hateful comments like "women can't be trusted to vote"  by one of this boards proudest posters.

 

There is a lot of racist and sexist views out there, and it's not just on the fringes (look at who is president). Yet when it's called out, it's just dismissed as Liberals playing the race or gender card. 

You know it is funny if I advocated against a white males right to vote you could care less.  But because you have been brainwashed into this political correctness I am evil supposedly.

There is no argument at all that the women's vote has changed this country from one of individual freedom and economic freedom into a socialist paradise with limited freedoms shrinking all the time.  Government is now able to assassinate american citizens, spy on them in secret and nothing is done about it.  I find that abhorrent and far worse than a discussion about voting rights of which women are never going to lose their right to vote no matter how loud I yell.  There voting rights are in no danger.   The discussion though might make some of you think, doubtful you will but it is always a hope.

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3 minutes ago, bluerules009 said:

You know it is funny if I advocated against a white males right to vote you could care less.  But because you have been brainwashed into this political correctness I am evil supposedly.

There is no argument at all that the women's vote has changed this country from one of individual freedom and economic freedom into a socialist paradise with limited freedoms shrinking all the time.  Government is now able to assassinate american citizens, spy on them in secret and nothing is done about it.  I find that abhorrent and far worse than a discussion about voting rights of which women are never going to lose their right to vote no matter how loud I yell.  There voting rights are in no danger.   The discussion though might make some of you think, doubtful you will but it is always a hope.

Our government was corrupt before women got the right to vote.  Lincoln expanded the power of the executive before women got the right to vote.  The government was trampling on the rights before women got the right to vote so no women didn’t cause that. 

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2 hours ago, bluerules009 said:

I probably am sexist.

I am fine with them running for office but their vote has ruined individual rights in this country and turned us into a socialist disaster two things you cannot dispute.

Here is the other funny thing, if women couldn't vote more of them would be elected to office.  The hardest thing for a woman candidate to do is get over the jealousy other women have for each other.

 

1 hour ago, bluerules009 said:

No it doesn't.  I am not strongly prejudiced against children because I don't think they should vote.  I am not strongly prejudiced against felon's because I don't think they should vote.  I am not strongly prejudiced against non-citizens because I don't think they should vote.   Woman, Felons, Children are all groups will to vote their interests against the interests of the whole of the country, I think that is bad and they shouldn't vote.

Stop with the Trumpian tactics hypocrite.

You just blamed women for ruining the country by turning it into a "socialist disaster" - whatever the phuck that means.  Then you stated that they can't get passed their own "jealousy" they have for one another.

You are a misogynist. A sexist.  And you are one of those who wanted "Hussein" to prove his ability to be president by producing his birth certificate.  You are also a racist.

Libertarians all like this?  Or are you just a radical arm of them?  (Oh lordy, a radical arm of a radical ideology. Aces.)

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1 hour ago, easybronc said:

Canadian?  hahaha ... wait, wait .... Canadian ehh?  :rotflmfao:

Was dipshit's comment directed at me?  I've had him on ignore so long I don't know. 

I'm a US citizen.  I'm also a Canadian citizen.  I'm a better citizen in two countries than numbnuts!  :lol:

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21 minutes ago, bluerules009 said:

You know it is funny if I advocated against a white males right to vote you could care less.  But because you have been brainwashed into this political correctness I am evil supposedly.

There is no argument at all that the women's vote has changed this country from one of individual freedom and economic freedom into a socialist paradise with limited freedoms shrinking all the time.  Government is now able to assassinate american citizens, spy on them in secret and nothing is done about it.  I find that abhorrent and far worse than a discussion about voting rights of which women are never going to lose their right to vote no matter how loud I yell.  There voting rights are in no danger.   The discussion though might make some of you think, doubtful you will but it is always a hope.

Yes there are plenty of arguments to refute your asinine bloviation. Now you blame women for a whole bunch or your pet issues.

You really are a major wingnut.  Libertarians should distance themselves from you rather than always backing you up and liking your inane posts.  But they don't.

Another reason Libertarians suck.

 

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3 minutes ago, mugtang said:

Our government was corrupt before women got the right to vote.  Lincoln expanded the power of the executive before women got the right to vote.  The government was trampling on the rights before women got the right to vote so no women didn’t cause that. 

I never said the government was any more or less corrupt.  I also agree with you about lincoln.

Things that happened immediately after women's vote that limited freedom and headed us towards socialism.

1) prohibition

2) we elect a dictator for life (FDR)

3)  we pass initial gun control laws in direct violation of 2nd amendment

4) FDR packs supreme court and destroys states rights

5) FDR expands federal government spending astronomically changing our government from state and local centered to federal centered.

Image result for government spending 1900 to present

 

6) The New Deal and especially the second new deal was the biggest destruction of individual rights especially economic rights in the history of this country.

 

 

7) I can go on and on and so can you if you think about it.

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5 hours ago, sebasour said:

There's a poster on this board who doesn't think women should be allowed vote, yet will claim you're an idiot if you call him sexist

Sounds like a millennial male Bernie voter.  I can't remember how many times I read things like "women are voting with their vaginas" from Bernie fans.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/thrity-umrigar/bernie-bros-sexism_b_9847092.html

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Of course women should have the right to vote.  This is a good read however.  I know correlation does not equal causation, but still.  As women have gotten more equal, they have gotten less happy.

https://law.yale.edu/system/files/documents/pdf/Intellectual_Life/Stevenson_ParadoxDecliningFemaleHappiness_Dec08.pdf

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1 hour ago, mugtang said:

Our government was corrupt before women got the right to vote.  Lincoln expanded the power of the executive before women got the right to vote.  The government was trampling on the rights before women got the right to vote so no women didn’t cause that. 

Not to mention the little facts like every corruption or abuse of individual rights known happened in places without women's suffrage millennia before the US added women's suffrage, that there have been enormous gains in individual rights since women gained the right to vote, that a "loss of individual rights" is generally more nuanced than simple gain or loss, or that I find it hard to find any individual rights loss that compare to a hundred million people being enfranchised.

40 minutes ago, halfmanhalfbronco said:

Of course women should have the right to vote.  This is a good read however.  I know correlation does not equal causation, but still.  As women have gotten more equal, they have gotten less happy.

https://law.yale.edu/system/files/documents/pdf/Intellectual_Life/Stevenson_ParadoxDecliningFemaleHappiness_Dec08.pdf

Interesting. I probably would be "happier" if I had a pre-defined role in life that I could work towards fulfilling - most people find linear games more satisfying, ultimately, than true sandbox ones. I also would not trade that for self-determination however. I also wish there were a study after 2008; that is a very unfortunate time to have published one of these papers.

Remember that every argument you have with someone on MWCboard is actually the continuation of a different argument they had with someone else also on MWCboard. 

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2 hours ago, mugtang said:

Serious question, why even respond to his position with a comment?  It’s not a position I’ve ever heard anybody else advocate here with the exception of Tools.  I mean it’s not a position I agree with and it’s not even worth responding to, just roll your eyes and move on. 

See, this is what blues is talking about!

How is encouraging this behavior good for your bottom line?

 

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29 minutes ago, happycamper said:

 

Interesting. I probably would be "happier" if I had a pre-defined role in life that I could work towards fulfilling - most people find linear games more satisfying, ultimately, than true sandbox ones. I also would not trade that for self-determination however. I also wish there were a study after 2008; that is a very unfortunate time to have published one of these papers.

It was a 35 year trend line.  In 1970 women were happier than in the 1990's. I too would like to see if that trend line has continued in the past 10 years.  To my knowledge another study of that quality on the subject has not been done.  It was also noted that in countries like Greece, where women have more traditional gender roles, they were happier than in countries like Sweden.

 

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It had been a while since BlueTools posted something that made me willing to put some cash down on him actually being the greatest sock of all time.

Planning is an exercise of power, and in a modern state much real power is suffused with boredom. The agents of planning are usually boring; the planning process is boring; the implementation of plans is always boring. In a democracy boredom works for bureaucracies and corporations as smell works for skunk. It keeps danger away. Power does not have to be exercised behind the scenes. It can be open. The audience is asleep. The modern world is forged amidst our inattention.

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@bluerules009 -- I am really trying to understand the point you're trying to make here but it's way off the rails. A proponent of freedom supports every pillar of individual liberty, even if a particular individual or group is a proponent for restricting those very same individual liberties. For example, even though Comrade fan demands an authoritarian state with unconstrained power to seize private property, clamp down on expression, and micro-manage the economy with wage, production, and price controls while brutally eradicating anyone who resists, I and other libertarians still support his right to have and express those sick and twisted views. All this to say that it is not the place for you or I to decide what rights women should or should not have but rather for them to decide on their own. Now if some women use those rights to come after rights that I hold sacred, then they're going to face resistance from me. 

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1 minute ago, jackmormon said:

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thelawlorfaithful, on 31 Dec 2012 - 04:01 AM, said:One of the rules I live by: never underestimate a man in a dandy looking sweater

 

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17 hours ago, retrofade said:

Oh Lord... Toolsy literally just said that he's okay with women running for office, but doesn't believe that they should be able to vote.

And Joe gave him a thumbs up! Again . . .

I'm very worried about Joe. He's become to bluerules what Trump is to Putin. Could Joe be trying to build a hotel in Podunk, Nevada?

Boom goes the dynamite.

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