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Democrat Thunderdome - 2020 Democratic Candidate Thread

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37 minutes ago, SleepingGiantFan said:

Here are the only incumbents who ran for reelection and lost:

Taft lost to Woodrow Wilson in 1912

Hoover lost to FDR in 1932

Carter lost to Reagan in 1980

George HW Bush lost to Clinton in 1992

Taft is irrelevant here because he sealed his own fate by hating on Teddy Roosevelt who most Republicans adored so many of them sat out the 1912 election or voted for Wilson. Hoover is irrelevant here because his sitting on his hands and doing nothing was a big reason why the country was in its worst-ever depression in 1932. Carter is irrelevant because he was a Democrat and not a Republican.

So the most relevant election to this one is 1992. Granted, the Dems' motto was "it's the economy, stupid" but although the economy wasn't strong, neither was it weak and a big reason the Dems were able to regain the White House is that they nominated a moderate. Bernie Sanders is as far from being moderate as any Democrat in memory. So I'm with those who say he will be a disaster candidate. Not George McGovern disasterous but I think if Bernie is the nominee, Trump won't just get reelected, this time he will win the popular vote too.

Cleveland, Van Buren, John Quincy; all lost as well, though Cleveland won again 4 years later.

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9 minutes ago, renoskier said:

It would certainly help "stop Bernie" if Biden and Pete got out.

It’s tough to tell the delegate leader in the clubhouse and the former front runner who still has a chance to be the delegate leader heading into Super Tuesday to pack it in.

I’m sympathetic though. John Kasich can kiss my ass forever.

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24 minutes ago, thelawlorfaithful said:

It’s tough to tell the delegate leader in the clubhouse and the former front runner who still has a chance to be the delegate leader heading into Super Tuesday to pack it in.

I’m sympathetic though. John Kasich can kiss my ass forever.

Who should Kasich have stepped out of the way for? Ted Cruz? I'm almost happier with Trump.

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Just now, thelawlorfaithful said:

Almost.

Who should Pete and Biden get out of the way for? 

For me...Klobuchar. 

Doubt she could take down Bernie though. And even if she did, will Bernie folks show up for anyone else? Probably not.

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14 minutes ago, renoskier said:

For me...Klobuchar. 

Doubt she could take down Bernie though. And even if she did, will Bernie folks show up for anyone else? Probably not.

Some of them wouldn’t, but who cares? You don’t need a commie base to beat Trump. Democrats rolled Republicans in the house in 2018 by running moderates that could win away suburban Romney-type voters. 

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22 minutes ago, thelawlorfaithful said:

Some of them wouldn’t, but who cares? You don’t need a commie base to beat Trump. Democrats rolled Republicans in the house in 2018 by running moderates that could win away suburban Romney-type voters. 

Running moderates, including a moderate for President, is how the Democrats win this election. It's too bad that the screaming minority part of the party is too stupid to understand this concept. Bernie was an outlier for most of the voting populace four years ago, he remains one (but less so) today. But if you keep shifting things to the left (or stemming the shift to the right), candidates like him become more palatable to the masses as time goes on. Their problem is they want this massive revolution right now, but aren't willing to realize that these things take time. 

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In the last four days, I've received eight text messages from various campaigns begging me for money. Four from Buttigieg, two from Biden, one from Warren, and one from Steyer. 

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1 hour ago, renoskier said:

It would certainly help "stop Bernie" if Biden and Pete got out.

Maybe, maybe not. I know earlier in the race there were a decent number of Biden supporters that had Bernie as their number two choice. It makes no sense to people that follow politics closely; but most people don’t follow politics very closely. 

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On 2/19/2020 at 8:24 AM, NVGiant said:

Bernie vs. Trump. Never thought I'd long for the days of Hillary. God help us all.

Has your life been so terrible under Trump? 

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37 minutes ago, Bob said:

Has your life been so terrible under Trump? 

I'm a college-educated white male. People like me do well regardless of president. But I have a longer view than how am I doing right at this very minute.

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46 minutes ago, soupslam1 said:

If Bernie is the Democrat nominee the Democrats are going to lose big time. The a Republicans will again control the House, Senate, and Presidentcy. 

I remember people thinking that about a reality TV star and lifelong grifter.

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Aside from the obvious big Bernie lead, here's another weird NV poll showing decent support for Steyer.

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5 hours ago, retrofade said:

Running moderates, including a moderate for President, is how the Democrats win this election. It's too bad that the screaming minority part of the party is too stupid to understand this concept. Bernie was an outlier for most of the voting populace four years ago, he remains one (but less so) today. But if you keep shifting things to the left (or stemming the shift to the right), candidates like him become more palatable to the masses as time goes on. Their problem is they want this massive revolution right now, but aren't willing to realize that these things take time. 

Speaking of which, my opinion is that the single biggest problem this country has is its gawd awful education system. Ye reap what ye sow and our citizenry has been dumbed down so much over the last several decadesthat far too ma ny can't see beyond some shiny object dangled before their eyes.

Actually, I shouldn't say stupid as their collective IQs are undoubtedly about the same as ever. Just poorly educated and intellectually lazy as hell.

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Just now, SleepingGiantFan said:

Speaking of which, my opinion is that the single biggest problem this country has is its gawd awful education system. Ye reap what ye sew and our citizenry has been dumbed down so much over the last several decades to the degree that far too many can't see beyond some shiny object dangled before their eyes.

Actually, I shouldn't say stupid as they're collective IQs are undoubtedly about the same as ever. Just poorly educated and intellectually lazy as hell.

And educated "elites" have somehow become the boogieman. 

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I noticed this energy at the last debate. I think Bernie might go scorched earth. Remember, Bernie has always thought the dems were the lesser of two evils, but they were still evil and Bernie is not a dem.

I hope he fricks em all to heck. Rage against the machine!

 

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53 minutes ago, toonkee said:

I noticed this energy at the last debate. I think Bernie might go scorched earth. Remember, Bernie has always thought the dems were the lesser of two evils, but they were still evil and Bernie is not a dem.

I hope he fricks em all to heck. Rage against the machine!

 

Bernie is feeling his oats. If they try and cheat Bernie again, all hell is going to break loose. 

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