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The politics of refereeing: Does the conference office really instruct officials?

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A couple weeks ago, we saw Colorado State lose a game on the last play (a completed hail mary) when the referee threw a flag for stepping out (when many officials would've allowed the play as it had no impact on the catch. and came with prior contact from the DB)

https://www.si.com/college-football/2018/11/17/utah-state-colorado-state-hail-mary-penalty-video

 

The MWC had a lot riding on Utah State at this time as they were holding out hope that UCF might stumble.

The idea that Hair put a call in to the field was speculated about, because obviously the conference needed a better showing this year.

 

FAST FORWARD to Saturday's AAC title game when a couple of flags were picked up. More speculation ensued that the refs wanted UCF to win to secure another New Years spot for them..

Is the idea that referees are clued in to the politics surrounding their decisions really legitimate? 

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5 minutes ago, ProprietyofLeyluken said:

A couple weeks ago, we saw Colorado State lose a game on the last play (a completed hail mary) when the referee threw a flag for stepping out (when many officials would've allowed the play as it had no impact on the catch. and came with prior contact from the DB)

https://www.si.com/college-football/2018/11/17/utah-state-colorado-state-hail-mary-penalty-video

 

The MWC had a lot riding on Utah State at this time as they were holding out hope that UCF might stumble.

The idea that Hair put a call in to the field was speculated about, because obviously the conference needed a better showing this year.

 

FAST FORWARD to Saturday's AAC title game when a couple of flags were picked up. More speculation ensued that the refs wanted UCF to win to secure another New Years spot for them..

Is the idea that referees are clued in to the politics surrounding their decisions really legitimate? 

I think more than this is the idea that the refs know about the teams they are referreeing. They expect the good team to be good and the bad team to be bad subconsciously so even without thinking about it, they will ref the game that way. 

Remember that every argument you have with someone on MWCboard is actually the continuation of a different argument they had with someone else also on MWCboard. 

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7 minutes ago, happycamper said:

I think more than this is the idea that the refs know about the teams they are referreeing. They expect the good team to be good and the bad team to be bad subconsciously so even without thinking about it, they will ref the game that way. 

This is why for like 20 years oakland consistently got 5-6 more flags a game than the opposing team, despite a revolving door of players, coaches and staffers

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25 minutes ago, ProprietyofLeyluken said:

A couple weeks ago, we saw Colorado State lose a game on the last play (a completed hail mary) when the referee threw a flag for stepping out (when many officials would've allowed the play as it had no impact on the catch. and came with prior contact from the DB)

https://www.si.com/college-football/2018/11/17/utah-state-colorado-state-hail-mary-penalty-video

 

The MWC had a lot riding on Utah State at this time as they were holding out hope that UCF might stumble.

The idea that Hair put a call in to the field was speculated about, because obviously the conference needed a better showing this year.

 

FAST FORWARD to Saturday's AAC title game when a couple of flags were picked up. More speculation ensued that the refs wanted UCF to win to secure another New Years spot for them..

Is the idea that referees are clued in to the politics surrounding their decisions really legitimate? 

Highly unlikely with the vast majority of referees.  And the CSU receiver-out-of-bounds call IMO is not a shining example of the possibility of your theory.

I also dislike fans complaining about calls that shouldn't be made in certain situations or near the end of the game, specifically those that aren't subjective.  JMHO, but if the receiver stepped out of bounds (and sorry, but the DB contact was minimal and not the reason the WR went out of bounds) you HAVE to make that call.  If not, you are simply cheating.

And think about the actual risk/reward scenario for the referees.  If it were ever able to be proven that a referee or group of referees intentionally influenced the outcome of a game for the benefit of some entity, very likely there'd be criminal charges, jail time, financial ramifications, etc. 

Just don't see it at all.

 

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1 hour ago, ProprietyofLeyluken said:

Is the idea that referees are clued in to the politics surrounding their decisions really legitimate? 

https://sports.yahoo.com/yahoo-sports-exclusive-document-shows-untrained-third-party-overruled-targeting-call-pac-12-game-040318946.html

Yes.  Back in October the PAC had this big scandal that fizzled out.  Their replay "booth" is located back in their conference headquarters in San Francisco.

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Targeting wasn’t called and Tago stayed in the game. The replay report obtained by Yahoo Sports states that “unfortunately a third party did not agree” with the call. That “third party” was Pac-12 general counsel and senior vice president of business affairs Woodie Dixon, Yahoo Sports sources have confirmed.

 

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