Bulldog Rob Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 College football teams are an extension of the local community's cultural identity. I'm a 2nd generation alumni, my wife is a 3rd, most of my family, friends and co-workers all went to Fresno St. Even those who aren't big sports fans will tune into a football game, take the family to a game every once in awhile or at least casually follow the football and basketball teams. There are also a lot of non-alumni locals who grew up following the Bulldogs. Every circle I run in, family, work, my kid's sports leagues and scout troops, etc. has at least a couple big fans and multiple casual fans. I had at least 5 or 6 conversations about the SJSU game and the upcoming MWC Championship game today at work with people who were at the game or watched it on television. SJSU just doesn't have that kind of base and never will. The South Bay is full of people who grew up and/or went to school somewhere else along with a large immigrant population. If you grew up in San Jose and followed local sports you likely followed local pro teams or maybe Stanford or Cal. Any base they did have has been discouraged by 25 years of losing. I just don't see a path back for them. The apathy for Spartan Athletics is too much to overcome. I've wondered if they tried to focus on Basketball if they might be able to get something going. Make an exciting coaching hire and get a few people to the games (it wouldn't take many to fill their stands) and get a buzz going and try to build on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTedfordTrain Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 8 minutes ago, Bulldog Rob said: College football teams are an extension of the local community's cultural identity. I'm a 2nd generation alumni, my wife is a 3rd, most of my family, friends and co-workers all went to Fresno St. Even those who aren't big sports fans will tune into a football game, take the family to a game every once in awhile or at least casually follow the football and basketball teams. There are also a lot of non-alumni locals who grew up following the Bulldogs. Every circle I run in, family, work, my kid's sports leagues and scout troops, etc. has at least a couple big fans and multiple casual fans. I had at least 5 or 6 conversations about the SJSU game and the upcoming MWC Championship game today at work with people who were at the game or watched it on television. SJSU just doesn't have that kind of base and never will. The South Bay is full of people who grew up and/or went to school somewhere else along with a large immigrant population. If you grew up in San Jose and followed local sports you likely followed local pro teams or maybe Stanford or Cal. Any base they did have has been discouraged by 25 years of losing. I just don't see a path back for them. The apathy for Spartan Athletics is too much to overcome. I've wondered if they tried to focus on Basketball if they might be able to get something going. Make an exciting coaching hire and get a few people to the games (it wouldn't take many to fill their stands) and get a buzz going and try to build on that. @#1Stunner Can you help get some basketball recruits to SJSU? The pipeline runs through BYU now, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super six Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 A Tiny House Cost a Million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJSUMFA2013 Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 Not enough people care. It really is that simple. Other schools, at the very least, have fair weather fans. In 2012, we were 6-1 heading into a game against Texas state. Our only loss was by 3 points to Stanford in a game that honestly could have gone either way. We were dropping 50-burgers practically every week. I expected to see a huge crowd out there. +++++ing crickets. I mean, prior to our loss to Utah state that year, we were in the conversation for a bcs bowl berth. We finished nationally ranked. We won a bowl game. And yet, in the middle of that success, there’s maybe 6,000 people at the game. We are not an fbs program. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDoggFather Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 SJSU could have had Pat Hill for $600k a year, but the admin refused to give him a salary pool for assistants. Basically enough to pay assistants $100k a year, when the CSU minimum is 95k a year. You are going to be hard pressed to find assistants in Fresno for that salary pool, much less the Bay Area with the COL. He was ready to go, had his staff in place and everything. Big mistake. He would have won there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoState99755 Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 On 11/26/2018 at 8:46 AM, RogueStout said: Shit facilities, tiny fanbase who don't care enough to enact change, overshadowing by NFL/NHL/NBA/PAC 12 teams, lack of any significant historical success, Administration that sees no value in "the front porch". We could do this all day. GOOD LIST. You could add little to no alumni support -&- small budget for coaches salaries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoState99755 Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 On 11/26/2018 at 9:53 AM, madmartigan said: I would like @TheTedfordTrain and @Cincys thoughts on this. I think they have valuable insight to provide. ¡GREAT PT! We need more "they suck" & the high brow content that @TheTedfordTrain -&- @Cincy are notorious for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJSUMFA2013 Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 1 hour ago, TheDoggFather said: SJSU could have had Pat Hill for $600k a year, but the admin refused to give him a salary pool for assistants. Basically enough to pay assistants $100k a year, when the CSU minimum is 95k a year. You are going to be hard pressed to find assistants in Fresno for that salary pool, much less the Bay Area with the COL. He was ready to go, had his staff in place and everything. Big mistake. He would have won there. Hill would have been the perfect hire. He’s familiar with the conference. He’s old as dirt so he’s not going anywhere. And he thinks Fresno did him dirty. We are not an fbs program. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cincy Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 36 minutes ago, SJSUMFA2013 said: We are not an fbs program. Finally, an SJSU fan who gets it and accepts it. Now, if only @creeper86 and @COUSIN MAYNARD would accept this truth instead of pretending that Sharta belongs in FBS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJSUMFA2013 Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 12 minutes ago, Cincy said: Finally, an SJSU fan who gets it and accepts it. Mow, if only @creeper86 and @COUSIN MAYNARD would accept this truth instead of pretending that Sharta belongs in FBS. We COULD be a viable fbs program. Plenty of g5 schools out there are middling programs that win 5-7 games pretty much every year and do fine. Bunch of those right here in this conference. Theres really no excuse for us not to be better. Dozens of fbs-level players in California either leave the state, accept fcs scholarships, choose to play d2 or lower, or just stop playing. What schools like Wyoming have to go through to recruit and be competitive is almost not worth it. We can cough and make 10 viable recruits sick AND YET WE CHOOSE NOT TO. its mind-boggling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
creeper86 Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 42 minutes ago, Cincy said: Finally, an SJSU fan who gets it and accepts it. Now, if only @creeper86 and @COUSIN MAYNARD would accept this truth instead of pretending that Sharta belongs in FBS. ok, I'm close to accepting it.... but what will happen, Cincy, if I do? I'm a little skeered... don't judge me though; this is a moment of sheer honesty and I am hoping the MWC community will respect my vulnerability... I hope I am not opening myself up.... like you tend to do on a Friday night, you son o bich!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTedfordTrain Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 3 hours ago, SJSUMFA2013 said: . And he thinks Fresno did him dirty. Not sure about that one. He’s still one of the biggest supporters of Fresno State football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJSUMFA2013 Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 4 hours ago, TheTedfordTrain said: Not sure about that one. He’s still one of the biggest supporters of Fresno State football. That’s only because he’s on the payroll. You don’t think it filled him with glee privately when his replacement went 1-11? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTedfordTrain Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 1 hour ago, SJSUMFA2013 said: That’s only because he’s on the payroll. You don’t think it filled him with glee privately when his replacement went 1-11? Possibly. And now he and the old athletic director are long gone. Hill has been a great supporter of all things Fresno State. Even before he got his radio job. He’s still a beloved member of the community, a plublic figure with many corporate sponsorships, applauded and appreciated by almost all Fresno State fans, and was even mentioned as a candidate as athletic director. If there was any animosity for the university, it’s long gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cincy Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 34 minutes ago, TheTedfordTrain said: Possibly. And now he and the old athletic director are long gone. Hill has been a great supporter of all things Fresno State. Even before he got his radio job. He’s still a beloved member of the community, a plublic figure with many corporate sponsorships, applauded and appreciated by almost all Fresno State fans, and was even mentioned as a candidate as athletic director. If there was any animosity for the universe, it’s long gone. He loves Fresno and will finish his life here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpartanGrad Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 On 11/26/2018 at 9:16 PM, TheTedfordTrain said: Interesting take, but I think it’s one that’s out of date. Even Oakland residents talk trash about San Jose. Oakland has become a great place to hang out in. Tons of culture, great eateries, mom and pop shops, etc. I’m not making it up to trash San Jose. San Jose State has enough problems. Just simply reiterating what many Bay Area residents think of San Jose. Hmm. I'm starting to get a small understanding Fresno, then. But, I still can't imagine an entire state trash talking my town a la California to Fresno. Must be tough. ...poor sheep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utenation Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 I hear Mike McIntyre needs a job again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTedfordTrain Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 8 minutes ago, SpartanGrad said: Hmm. I'm starting to get a small understanding Fresno, then. But, I still can't imagine an entire state trash talking my town a la California to Fresno. Must be tough. ...poor sheep How about an entire nation trashing your school? Bottom 10 infamy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
creeper86 Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 2 hours ago, Cincy said: He loves Fresno and will finish his life here. Everyone living in Fresno ends their life there, unfortunately it’s almost always, prematurely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babs Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 On 11/26/2018 at 8:38 AM, Artist formerly known as Hal said: I understand the issues with having a successful football program but how can you be so terrible at mens basketball? You’d think just local recruiting could muster a winning team. What needs to change? A significant part of it is lack of financial commitment to build the facilities and hire real coaches. You have to invest in a product to build it. It’s business 101. The SJSU admin has zero business sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...