Speaker Of the House

[Akkula]

1 hour ago, bluerules009 said:

The democrats walked out and filibustered it over a little bit of wall money.  They wouldn't even allow a vote.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/11/democrats-daca-dreamers-immigration-mutiny-334454

https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/as-immigration-showdown-looms-in-senate-trump-administration-is-doing-everything-in-our-power-to-stop-bipartisan-plan-official-says/2018/02/15/e0cff9d0-1260-11e8-8ea1-c1d91fcec3fe_story.html?utm_term=.254b3a92c9c1

The vote was 39 to 60, well short of the 60 yes votes needed to move ahead. Three moderate Democrats voted for the proposal, but 14 GOP senators voted against it, including Sen. Ted Cruz (Tex.), who had blasted the proposal as being “to the left from President Obama’s position.”

 

You’re supposed to be a fair broker,” Collins said as she walked away from Dove. “It was wrong. It was really wrong.”

The bipartisan plan failed 54 to 45.

Finally, senators rejected the Trump plan, which would have granted legal status to 1.8 million young immigrants, spent at least $25 billion to bolster security along the U.S.-Mexico border, revamped family-based legal migration programs and ended a diversity lottery system used by immigrants from countries with low rates of immigration to the United States

Senators rejected a watered-down bipartisan plan by Sens. John McCain (R-Ariz.) and Christopher A. Coons (D-Del.) to grant legal status to dreamers and provide billions of dollars to boost border security — but not immediately as Trump requested. The plan failed 52 to 47, short of the 60 votes needed.

 

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2018/mar/07/donald-trump/are-democrats-nowhere-be-found-daca-donald-trump-c/

I don't know how you construct your alternate realities.   This is from you wapo article:

"Ahead of the votes, the White House mobilized a full-fledged effort to scuttle the bipartisan immigration plan that was emerging as the best hope for a legislative deal."

Trump wanted wall money and to kill the diversity lottery and family based immigration or no deal at all.  He also endorsed a deal and then backed away at the last minute when hardliners rejected it.   Great negotiation partner for Democrats.   Trump is a coward who won't sick his neck out for tough deals like Obama did with the ACA.  Keeping immigration as a demagogue is better for his personal interests than solving it.  Plenty of Democrats voted for the bipartisan compromise.

[Old_SD_Dude]

8 hours ago, sactowndog said:

Wanna bet @bluerules009 ?

If the bet is on Blue’s statement that “Democrats will never pass a bill that has a chance of the Senate passing and the President signing” then my money’s with Blue. And I’ll give you big odds. 

[sactowndog]

9 hours ago, bluerules009 said:

How many years of democrats stopping all  immigration bills do you want before you lose?

It has already been more than 3 decades.

 

So the bet is the House sends the Senate a Bill to address the Dreamers.   The Senate either buries it (most likely) or votes it down.   

You game? 

[bluerules009]

2 hours ago, sactowndog said:

So the bet is the House sends the Senate a Bill to address the Dreamers.   The Senate either buries it (most likely) or votes it down.   

You game? 

They might pass a bill that neither the Senate will pass or the President will sign.

Nothing will become law was my point.  Democrats won't pass anything that the senate or the president would agree too.

They have no interest in immigration passing.  They just want morons to vote for them.  They don't actually want to help immigrants.

 

[sactowndog]

23 minutes ago, bluerules009 said:

They might pass a bill that neither the Senate will pass or the President will sign.

Nothing will become law was my point.  Democrats won't pass anything that the senate or the president would agree too.

They have no interest in immigration passing.  They just want morons to vote for them.  They don't actually want to help immigrants.

 

They may well want to help immigrants but not agree to the terms imposed by Trump.  Not passing something Trump will agree to does not mean they don’t want to help immigrants.  That would be a false equivalency

[bluerules009]

8 hours ago, sactowndog said:

They may well want to help immigrants but not agree to the terms imposed by Trump.  Not passing something Trump will agree to does not mean they don’t want to help immigrants.  That would be a false equivalency

They don't want to help immigrants.

They could have passed anything they wanted in 2009 and promised to in during the campaign and didn't even introduce a bill.

The only bills they ever introduce have ZERO chance of passing.

5 decades of proof still isn't enough to convince the morons who vote democrat because of this issue.

[sactowndog]

9 hours ago, bluerules009 said:

They might pass a bill that neither the Senate will pass or the President will sign.

Nothing will become law was my point.  Democrats won't pass anything that the senate or the president would agree too.

They have no interest in immigration passing.  They just want morons to vote for them.  They don't actually want to help immigrants.

 

So in other words you don’t have the guts to take the bet.

[bluerules009]

57 minutes ago, sactowndog said:

So in other words you don’t have the guts to take the bet.

You don't have the intelligence to read.  I said democrats would never pass a bill that would become law.  I am sure they will pass some shit to keep stupid people voting for them.

Not to mention you would never pay up.

[sactowndog]

13 hours ago, bluerules009 said:

You don't have the intelligence to read.  I said democrats would never pass a bill that would become law.  I am sure they will pass some shit to keep stupid people voting for them.

Not to mention you would never pay up.

I always pay up chickenshit.   And I posted first the Dems would pass a bill to fix the dreamers and dare the Republicans to veto it which they will.   You commented on it with an irrelevant point as Trump will constantly move the ball unless he gets exactly what he wants.  That result is clearly not good for immigrant communities which is fine.  We shall see how the 2020 Senate vote goes.  

[bluerules009]

24 minutes ago, sactowndog said:

I always pay up chickenshit.   And I posted first the Dems would pass a bill to fix the dreamers and dare the Republicans to veto it which they will.   You commented on it with an irrelevant point as Trump will constantly move the ball unless he gets exactly what he wants.  That result is clearly not good for immigrant communities which is fine.  We shall see how the 2020 Senate vote goes.  

Again my irrelevant point "democrats will never pass anything that has a chance of becoming law and helping immigrants",

We have decades of past evidence.  Only compete fools would still vote for them because of this issue.

[sactowndog]

24 minutes ago, bluerules009 said:

Again my irrelevant point "democrats will never pass anything that has a chance of becoming law and helping immigrants",

We have decades of past evidence.  Only compete fools would still vote for them because of this issue.

Your point will be valid if Democrats control all three branches as Republicans have done and again don’t pass anything.   Perhaps you will have a chance to be proven right in 2020. 

[bluerules009]

9 minutes ago, sactowndog said:

Your point will be valid if Democrats control all three branches as Republicans have done and again don’t pass anything.   Perhaps you will have a chance to be proven right in 2020. 

My point is valid because all it would take is a small amount of compromise and democrats could pass immigration reform.  Especially dreamer legislation.   

Like they did 6 months ago and for decades in the past, they will do nothing that has any chance of becoming law.

This isn't about helping immigrants though this is about getting elected and re-elected and democrats keep getting the immigration vote without doing anything so why would they ever solve the issue?   

[jackmormon]

2 hours ago, sactowndog said:

I always pay up chickenshit.   And I posted first the Dems would pass a bill to fix the dreamers and dare the Republicans to veto it which they will.   You commented on it with an irrelevant point as Trump will constantly move the ball unless he gets exactly what he wants.  That result is clearly not good for immigrant communities which is fine.  We shall see how the 2020 Senate vote goes.  

The Dems take back the Senate in 2020. Republicans have to defend something like 20 seats, Dems 10. 

[bluerules009]

32 minutes ago, jackmormon said:

The Dems take back the Senate in 2020. Republicans have to defend something like 20 seats, Dems 10. 

It would be quite embarrassing if they didn't.

[SleepingGiantFan]

On 11/19/2018 at 5:26 PM, Old_SD_Dude said:

California Republicans are where the Democrats were in the 70’s, but the state GOP leadership has gone full Trump. There’s a huge disconnect. 

The Cal GOP leaders didn't learn anything from the Pete Wilson debacle nor from Prop 184. Their stupidity knows no bounds. Continuing to support Devin Nunes rather than allowing him to fade into the woodwork is just the cherry on top of their turd pile.

[sactowndog]

6 hours ago, jackmormon said:

The Dems take back the Senate in 2020. Republicans have to defend something like 20 seats, Dems 10. 

Yep I am aware.  

[sactowndog]

8 hours ago, bluerules009 said:

My point is valid because all it would take is a small amount of compromise and democrats could pass immigration reform.  Especially dreamer legislation.   

Like they did 6 months ago and for decades in the past, they will do nothing that has any chance of becoming law.

This isn't about helping immigrants though this is about getting elected and re-elected and democrats keep getting the immigration vote without doing anything so why would they ever solve the issue?   

Baloney.  Trump already moved the ball once.   

[sactowndog]

6 hours ago, bluerules009 said:

It would be quite embarrassing if they didn't.

Then we will see won’t we. 

[bluerules009]

19 minutes ago, sactowndog said:

Baloney.  Trump already moved the ball once.   

Trump didn't walk out of the senate and not even participate in the discussion.  That was the democrats.

Trump offered them several ways to get immigration reform and the dreamer act passed.

Democrats won't compromise on an issue where they get the moron vote for doing nothing.

[jackmormon]

CNN)For weeks, House Republican leaders have been working behind closed doors to thread the needle on an immigration bill that could secure the support of the bulk on their conference. 

On Friday morning, President Donald Trump ended all that with a tweet. 

"Republicans should stop wasting their time on Immigration until after we elect more Senators and Congressmen/women in November," Trump tweeted. "Dems are just playing games, have no intention of doing anything to solves this decades old problem. We can pass great legislation after the Red Wave!"

And, boom goes the dynamite.

 

 

Now. The so-called "compromise" legislation -- constructed by House Speaker Paul Ryan to make moderates and conservative happy -- was already on life support before Trump came in and pulled the plug. A vote on the measure was originally scheduled for Thursday. It was then set for Friday. Then late Thursday, it was postponed until next week as GOP leaders insisted they saw a glimmer of hope to write a bill that might actually pass the House.

 

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/22/politics/donald-trump-immigration-tweet/index.html