Speaker Of the House

[bluerules009]

8 hours ago, smltwnrckr said:

And I lack tools' unique ability to look into the souls of minorities, Californians and minority californians.

So the fact I pointed out you were pasting your views of the world on minorities means I claim I know what they think?

Your world sure is simple.    You are right even when you are wrong.

I know that minorities like all populations have many individuals who think many ways.   I also know Hispanics are a very socially conservative group.  I also know as a politician who knocked doors and talked to people for years that many legal immigrants are extremely upset with illegal immigration.

So what experience have you had with minorities.  Have you ever went around and knocked doors in your community and talked with them?   I bet as a typical city person you don't even know all the people who live in your apartment complex let alone 100 feet down the block.

[bluerules009]

8 hours ago, youngrebelfan40 said:

I love when conservative guys claim that minorities voting Democrat on the basis of “identity politics” is necessarily a bad thing. You do realize that black and Hispanic identity politics are direct responses to systematic injustice and enflamed rhetoric, right? You do realize that political ideology is intimately tied to identity for all sides of the political spectrum, including conservatives, right? 

You do realize that voting on the basis of identity is often a logical decision, right? You do realize minorities are capable of political decision-making, right?

The musings of the ignorant media brainwashed and ivory tower mind.

Sure it is logical to vote democratic as a minority.  If your purpose is to support the most racist party in existence who has promised and promised and over and over delivered less for you than republicans.

The democrats in 2008 ran on immigration reform.  Ran on fixing the issue for the dreamers.  Giving immigrants here illegally a path to citizenship.

Republicans would have voted for some of these issues.

Democrats didn't need republican votes they could have passed any of these issues on their own with unstoppable majorities in the House and Senate, no one could even filibuster them.

What did they do for their important  minority voters on the immigration issue?  They didn't bring a single immigration bill up for vote.

That is what democrats think of you YRB.

The media and your professors have you so brainwashed common sense has totally eluded you.

[thelawlorfaithful]

Anyways...

Cocaine Nancy?

Just today a letter by Fudge became public where she once vouched support for a Judge that had beaten his wife, he’s now suspected of killing her. And now Fudge bows out.

[Akkula]

12 minutes ago, thelawlorfaithful said:

Anyways...

Cocaine Nancy?

Just today a letter by Fudge became public where she once vouched support for a Judge that had beaten his wife, he’s now suspected of killing her. And now Fudge bows out.

She is getting ready to break those 16 who say that won't vote how she wants.  She delivers tough votes.  That is a skill Ryan and Boehner never mastered and their speakerships were held hostage by a minority of the majority.  That is why Republicans can't pass any legislation.   Poor ideas and poor leaders. 

[thelawlorfaithful]

Just now, Akkula said:

She is getting ready to break those 16 who say that won't vote how she wants.   That is a skill Ryan and Boehner never mastered and their speakerships were held hostage by a minority of the majority.  That is why Republicans can't pass any legislation.   Poor ideas and poor leaders. 

[bigd]

13 hours ago, youngrebelfan40 said:

I love when conservative guys claim that minorities voting Democrat on the basis of “identity politics” is necessarily a bad thing. You do realize that black and Hispanic identity politics are direct responses to systematic injustice and enflamed rhetoric, right? You do realize that political ideology is intimately tied to identity for all sides of the political spectrum, including conservatives, right? 

You do realize that voting on the basis of identity is often a logical decision, right? You do realize minorities are capable of political decision-making, right?

Oh absolutely I agree with everything you said, whites are also a big part of identity politics, hence my quote that 54% of white Californians which is supposedly the liberal utopia voted for Trump. 

As areas become more diverse, identity politics becomes more and more of the focus. Each demographic wants their interests represented and politics become less about ideology and more about representation and power. Trump is the perfect example of this.

[bigd]

4 hours ago, bluerules009 said:

The musings of the ignorant media brainwashed and ivory tower mind.

Sure it is logical to vote democratic as a minority.  If your purpose is to support the most racist party in existence who has promised and promised and over and over delivered less for you than republicans.

The democrats in 2008 ran on immigration reform.  Ran on fixing the issue for the dreamers.  Giving immigrants here illegally a path to citizenship.

Republicans would have voted for some of these issues.

Democrats didn't need republican votes they could have passed any of these issues on their own with unstoppable majorities in the House and Senate, no one could even filibuster them.

What did they do for their important  minority voters on the immigration issue?  They didn't bring a single immigration bill up for vote.

That is what democrats think of you YRB.

The media and your professors have you so brainwashed common sense has totally eluded you.

Neither party has cared about immigration for a long time. Republicans support it because it boosts corporate earnings and represses wages and Democrats support it because immigrants largely vote Democrat. Both parties have had their talking points for years, but never any real desire to do anything about it.

This is why Bannon avised Trump to bring immigration from the 9th or so most important issue to number 1, and to bring trade from number 100 to 2. Obviously its something that Americans actually cared about. 

[smltwnrckr]

5 hours ago, bluerules009 said:

So the fact I pointed out you were pasting your views of the world on minorities means I claim I know what they think?

Your world sure is simple.    You are right even when you are wrong.

I know that minorities like all populations have many individuals who think many ways.   I also know Hispanics are a very socially conservative group.  I also know as a politician who knocked doors and talked to people for years that many legal immigrants are extremely upset with illegal immigration.

So what experience have you had with minorities.  Have you ever went around and knocked doors in your community and talked with them?   I bet as a typical city person you don't even know all the people who live in your apartment complex let alone 100 feet down the block.

Man, you're on a roll today. After displaying an unparalleled breadth and depth of knowledge of Californians, minorities and California minorities, you also just nailed it in your evaluation of my personal experiences. No, I definitely have never gone around and knocked on doors in my community and talked with people before. I've also lived in only one community. I am also definitely a city person who was born and raised in a city. I also definitely live in an apartment complex and don't know anyone on my block, people who definitely are not minorities anyways.

[bluerules009]

 

11 minutes ago, smltwnrckr said:

Man, you're on a roll today. After displaying an unparalleled breadth and depth of knowledge of Californians, minorities and California minorities, you also just nailed it in your evaluation of my personal experiences. No, I definitely have never gone around and knocked on doors in my community and talked with people before. I've also lived in only one community. I am also definitely a city person who was born and raised in a city. I also definitely live in an apartment complex and don't know anyone on my block, people who definitely are not minorities anyways.

You also definitely can't have an honest conversation.  As your last two posts prove.

You are the only one who claimed you know what every minority thinks.  I know of several who don't agree with you but hey, I must be the one wrong right.

It is completely obvious you have no understanding of minorities, I doubt you have ever talked to one seriously about issues.   I will give you a clue, they are individuals just like us white guys and they don't all think the same as you.

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[sactowndog]

On 11/19/2018 at 3:32 PM, Joe from WY said:

I don't think there are conservative swaths anymore save for places like Trinity County. The massive influx of Bay Area cretins seeking lower rent effectively killed off the conservative districts in the Central Valley IMO. Orange County is just a combination of an exodus of white people to become survivalists and build trailers all over Western Montana combined with an influx of Hispanics. That said, it wasn't that long ago that the Modesto district was Dem anyway, with Cardoza and Condit before that. 

I felt that SoCal would go blue after 2016. I was right. And I'm not surprised. 

Joe.  You should come visit for Beers in Placer County.   

[smltwnrckr]

30 minutes ago, bluerules009 said:

 

You also definitely can't have an honest conversation.  As your last two posts prove.

You are the only one who claimed you know what every minority thinks.  I know of several who don't agree with you but hey, I must be the one wrong right.

It is completely obvious you have no understanding of minorities, I doubt you have ever talked to one seriously about issues.   I will give you a clue, they are individuals just like us white guys and they don't all think the same as you.

HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA!

Another win. You also have a clear and accurate grasp on the things I have posted in this thread today.

Stay gold, Ponyboy.

[smltwnrckr]

22 minutes ago, sactowndog said:

Joe.  You should come visit for Beers in Placer County.   

He's had beers in placer county.

[bluerules009]

1 hour ago, bigd said:

Neither party has cared about immigration for a long time. Republicans support it because it boosts corporate earnings and represses wages and Democrats support it because immigrants largely vote Democrat. Both parties have had their talking points for years, but never any real desire to do anything about it.

This is why Bannon avised Trump to bring immigration from the 9th or so most important issue to number 1, and to bring trade from number 100 to 2. Obviously its something that Americans actually cared about. 

Republicans despite it being an issue that hurts them with their base have brought up immigration reform twice under Bush, the last time it almost passed.   Obama was the reason it didn't.  If minorities were smart they would switch to supporting the republicans.  If they did I think immigration reform would be a done deal with the next republican president with an iota of intelligence.

 

Democrats will never pass immigration reform.  They get half a billion dollars an election cycle from Unions not counting the benefit of their organising.  The Union organising in Nevada is why Nevada is now a blue state.  You can't underestimate that importance of Union organizing.   Unions oppose any immigration at all which fits right in with the Democratic campaign strategy which is to talk a good game on immigration and do nothing.  The entertainment industry has mind fucked the morons on the left so bad the democrats have had no consequence for not doing anything to help minorities for 5 decades.

[sactowndog]

2 hours ago, Joe from WY said:

Next time I'm out your way I will. 

I will introduce you to all my right wing friends.   South Placer County a little bit of Texas in CA.  

[sactowndog]

14 hours ago, bluerules009 said:

Republicans despite it being an issue that hurts them with their base have brought up immigration reform twice under Bush, the last time it almost passed.   Obama was the reason it didn't.  If minorities were smart they would switch to supporting the republicans.  If they did I think immigration reform would be a done deal with the next republican president with an iota of intelligence.

 

Democrats will never pass immigration reform.  They get half a billion dollars an election cycle from Unions not counting the benefit of their organising.  The Union organising in Nevada is why Nevada is now a blue state.  You can't underestimate that importance of Union organizing.   Unions oppose any immigration at all which fits right in with the Democratic campaign strategy which is to talk a good game on immigration and do nothing.  The entertainment industry has mind fucked the morons on the left so bad the democrats have had no consequence for not doing anything to help minorities for 5 decades.

My guess is they will pass a stand-alone bill on the Dreamers and dare the Republicans to kill it.  

[bluerules009]

2 hours ago, sactowndog said:

My guess is they will pass a stand-alone bill on the Dreamers and dare the Republicans to kill it.  

Democrats will never pass a bill that has a chance of the senate and president signing it.

there worst nightmare is the immigration issue being in any even small way solved.

It is more likely the Senate passes a stand alone Dreamer bill and dares the democrats to pass it.   well except the democrats in the Senate would filibuster it like they did last year.

[jackmormon]

The republicans in both the House and Senate killed the Dreamer bill Trump backed.

[sactowndog]

7 hours ago, bluerules009 said:

Democrats will never pass a bill that has a chance of the senate and president signing it.

there worst nightmare is the immigration issue being in any even small way solved.

It is more likely the Senate passes a stand alone Dreamer bill and dares the democrats to pass it.   well except the democrats in the Senate would filibuster it like they did last year.

Wanna bet @bluerules009 ?

[bluerules009]

1 hour ago, sactowndog said:

Wanna bet @bluerules009 ?

How many years of democrats stopping all  immigration bills do you want before you lose?

It has already been more than 3 decades.

 

[bluerules009]

5 hours ago, jackmormon said:

The republicans in both the House and Senate killed the Dreamer bill Trump backed.

The democrats walked out and filibustered it over a little bit of wall money.  They wouldn't even allow a vote.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/11/democrats-daca-dreamers-immigration-mutiny-334454

https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/as-immigration-showdown-looms-in-senate-trump-administration-is-doing-everything-in-our-power-to-stop-bipartisan-plan-official-says/2018/02/15/e0cff9d0-1260-11e8-8ea1-c1d91fcec3fe_story.html?utm_term=.254b3a92c9c1

The vote was 39 to 60, well short of the 60 yes votes needed to move ahead. Three moderate Democrats voted for the proposal, but 14 GOP senators voted against it, including Sen. Ted Cruz (Tex.), who had blasted the proposal as being “to the left from President Obama’s position.”

 

You’re supposed to be a fair broker,” Collins said as she walked away from Dove. “It was wrong. It was really wrong.”

The bipartisan plan failed 54 to 45.

Finally, senators rejected the Trump plan, which would have granted legal status to 1.8 million young immigrants, spent at least $25 billion to bolster security along the U.S.-Mexico border, revamped family-based legal migration programs and ended a diversity lottery system used by immigrants from countries with low rates of immigration to the United States

Senators rejected a watered-down bipartisan plan by Sens. John McCain (R-Ariz.) and Christopher A. Coons (D-Del.) to grant legal status to dreamers and provide billions of dollars to boost border security — but not immediately as Trump requested. The plan failed 52 to 47, short of the 60 votes needed.

 

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2018/mar/07/donald-trump/are-democrats-nowhere-be-found-daca-donald-trump-c/