Speaker Of the House

[Old_SD_Dude]

21 minutes ago, nocoolnamejim said:

Pelosi needs to announce that this is a transition period.

She'll serve one more term as Speaker and then step aside. She's an effective caucus leader but she's no spring chicken and her name is synonymous with Satan's on the right. It's time to transition to the next generation.

She did exactly that before the midterms:

“I see myself as a transitional figure,” Pelosi said in an interview in which she professed utmost confidence that, should Democrats take control of the chamber on Nov. 6, she will again assume the top leadership position. “I have things to do. Books to write; places to go; grandchildren, first and foremost, to love.”

[nocoolnamejim]

Just now, Old_SD_Dude said:

She did exactly that before the midterms:

“I see myself as a transitional figure,” Pelosi said in an interview in which she professed utmost confidence that, should Democrats take control of the chamber on Nov. 6, she will again assume the top leadership position. “I have things to do. Books to write; places to go; grandchildren, first and foremost, to love.”

Yeah. I think it would be good to make the one-term promise explicit instead of implicit. 

[bluerules009]

1 hour ago, smltwnrckr said:

Go ahead and think what you want, but I bet the answer could be that using Pelosi as the boogeyman isn't such a great strategy anymore.

Then why did every campaign commercial in Nevada do so.   Even the democratic candidates were running from Pelosi.

Not to mention all the other candidates all across the country running from Pelosi both democrat and republican.

I guess being professional politicians they must not be as smart as you.

[smltwnrckr]

45 minutes ago, Joe from WY said:

I don't think there are conservative swaths anymore save for places like Trinity County. The massive influx of Bay Area cretins seeking lower rent effectively killed off the conservative districts in the Central Valley IMO. Orange County is just a combination of an exodus of white people to become survivalists and build trailers all over Western Montana combined with an influx of Hispanics. That said, it wasn't that long ago that the Modesto district was Dem anyway, with Cardoza and Condit before that. 

I felt that SoCal would go blue after 2016. I was right. And I'm not surprised. 

There are plenty of conservative swaths in California, and those Hispanics would be at least 50/50 Republican if not for certain political decisions by the state GOP in the 90s AND the GOP's even sharper anti-immigrant turn these last few years. They're more conservative socially than a lot of state Republicans. The fact is that state conservatives (and I mean the voters, not the leaders) collectively dislike Pelosi and put up with Trump so the scales are tipped more toward the Dems than they would be in redder states where conservatives love Trump. California Republicans haven't changed, the national Republican party has IMO.

[bluerules009]

Just now, smltwnrckr said:

There are plenty of conservative swaths in California, and those Hispanics would be at least 50/50 Republican if not for certain political decisions by the state GOP in the 90s AND the GOP's even sharper anti-immigrant turn these last few years. They're more conservative socially than a lot of state Republicans. The fact is that state conservatives collectively dislike Pelosi and put up with Trump so the scales are tipped more toward the Dems than they would be in redder states where conservatives love Trump. California Republicans haven't changed, the national Republican party has IMO.

Californians republican party has changed far more than the national party.   

California republicans are where the democrats were in the 70's.   The National republican party has moved left as well but not as much.

[smltwnrckr]

4 minutes ago, bluerules009 said:

Californians republican party has changed far more than the national party.   

California republicans are where the democrats were in the 70's.   The National republican party has moved left as well but not as much.

Nah, not really. Though my comment on the state vs national party was about the last few years with Trump. Though the ironic thing is that if they had not completely alienated every Hispanic person in the state in the 90s and again over the past two years, they'd have a much more socially conservative constituency. 

[bluerules009]

5 minutes ago, smltwnrckr said:

Nah, not really. Though my comment on the state vs national party was about the last few years with Trump. Though the ironic thing is that if they had not completely alienated every Hispanic person in the state in the 90s and again over the past two years, they'd have a much more socially conservative constituency. 

They didn't alienate Hispanics.  The entertainment industry did that for them with decades of brain washing, telling them that republicans were racist.  There is no policy reason Hispanics would vote for democrats.  They have done nothing to help them in recorded history.

If democrats helped minorities there wouldn't be democratically controlled cities everywhere in this country where their crime rates, schools and living conditions were not far below the average.

California would be a utopia for minorities instead of the state with the biggest income gap between rich and poor in the nation.   The democratic policies though insure your billionaires have plenty of low cost below minimum wage illegal house servants available though.  

[smltwnrckr]

4 minutes ago, bluerules009 said:

They didn't alienate Hispanics.  The entertainment industry did that for them with decades of brain washing, telling them that republicans were racist.  There is no policy reason hispanics would vote for democrats.  They have done nothing to help them in recorded history.

Even if there are no policy reasons to vote for Democrats, there are a number of policy reasons to vote against the GOP. If the GOP would have focused entirely on its supposed platforms of personal freedom, economic liberty, support of small business and even kept with the god stuff, and laid off the kick out the immigrants stuff, they'd be a stronger force in CA politics today.

[bluerules009]

34 minutes ago, smltwnrckr said:

Even if there are no policy reasons to vote for Democrats, there are a number of policy reasons to vote against the GOP. If the GOP would have focused entirely on its supposed platforms of personal freedom, economic liberty, support of small business and even kept with the god stuff, and laid off the kick out the immigrants stuff, they'd be a stronger force in CA politics today.

So you think all immigrants have the same political positions you have.

Not to mention the republicans have never had a "kick out the immigrants", policy.  They have had an enforce the laws of the United States policy, including its immigration law which would mean illegal immigrants should be removed and sent back to their native country.   

Not to mention Reagan who if you didn't notice was a republican passed the only immigration law in the last 7 decades that legalised illegal immigrants.  

Democrats on the other hand have continually opposed immigration reform with a racist motivation in order to keep their Union support happy.

Which has the consequence of making California rich man friendly with plenty of illegal house keeper help.

[Old_SD_Dude]

1 hour ago, bluerules009 said:

Californians republican party has changed far more than the national party.   

California republicans are where the democrats were in the 70's.   The National republican party has moved left as well but not as much.

California Republicans are where the Democrats were in the 70’s, but the state GOP leadership has gone full Trump. There’s a huge disconnect. 

[bluerules009]

2 minutes ago, Old_SD_Dude said:

California Republicans are where the Democrats were in the 70’s, but the state GOP leadership has gone full Trump. There’s a huge disconnect. 

Trump has fucked up everything.   First he isn't a republican he is an opportunist with democratic party policies for the most part.  Second he is a dolt, that still baffles me he was elected president.  I think stupid is a requirement to become president it sure fits the last 3.   Clinton was the last president we had who you had to admit was a smart guy.

Democrats did real good running on an anti Trump platform and attaching the Trump label on Laxalt which he deserved and Heller which he really didn't deserve.

I am really rooting for Mueller to hook up Trump on some real crime so he can't run in 2020 and a republican like Nikki Haley can take his place.  I am kind of hoping that is why she resigned because she thinks the 2020 door will close for Trump and open for her.

 

[jackmormon]

7 hours ago, bluerules009 said:

Democrats and republicans run against her because it is a good campaign tactic.   She is not popular outside the crazy lefty's in San Fran.

It doesn’t matter if she’s popular she is very good at whipping the vote.

[bluerules009]

53 minutes ago, jackmormon said:

It doesn’t matter if she’s popular she is very good at whipping the vote.

Why would you say that, she had several years in the leadership with a democratic senate and a democratic president and got very little done.   

Results say she is a very poor speaker.

[jackmormon]

5 minutes ago, bluerules009 said:

Why would you say that, she had several years in the leadership with a democratic senate and a democratic president and got very little done.   

Results say she is a very poor speaker.

She had two years, and got the ACA passed. Plus she whipped enough votes to get immigration reform passed while minority leader. I’d say that’s pretty significant.

[bigd]

5 hours ago, smltwnrckr said:

Nah, not really. Though my comment on the state vs national party was about the last few years with Trump. Though the ironic thing is that if they had not completely alienated every Hispanic person in the state in the 90s and again over the past two years, they'd have a much more socially conservative constituency. 

Thats the thing though, I dont think California Republicans were/are that socially conservative. They want a well run state, controlled immigration, and a more business friendly environment. 

People talk so much about California being so liberal, but the fact is its really just identity politics. As you said, a lot of the asian, hispanics, and african americans are very socially conservative. California isn't that liberal socially, its just very democratic because the Democrats are the party of minorities. 

California was 89% white in 1970, today it is 37%. That basically sums everything up. No one ever mentions the fact that 54% of white people in California voted Trump.

 

Politics now is more about identity than actual beliefs (see Donald Trump not really having any strong political beliefs outside of trade and immigration). The Republicans will eventually have to change their strategy because whites are a minority for children under 10. Some major realignments in political parties will continue to happen over the coming decades.

 

This is also why places like Nevada, Arizona, and Texas are turning blue while Ohio, Indiana and midwestern states are turning more red. It wasn't long ago the California was a red state, the land of Reagan.

 

[bluerules009]

1 hour ago, jackmormon said:

She had two years, and got the ACA passed. Plus she whipped enough votes to get immigration reform passed while minority leader. I’d say that’s pretty significant.

Pelosi had two years to pass anything she wanted and only managed to pass the ACA a worthless bill and they had to change senate rules to do that.  She couldn't even manage an immigration bill, but of course the democrats have no intention of ever passing immigration reform and pissing off their Union bosses, they just like the issue.  

Pretty funny your measure of success makes Trump with his tax cut legislation and and 2 supreme court judges in two years, look wildly successful in comparison.

We have had the JV in government for 20 years now.  They are all pretty much disasters.  

[jackmormon]

51 minutes ago, bluerules009 said:

Pelosi had two years to pass anything she wanted and only managed to pass the ACA a worthless bill and they had to change senate rules to do that.  She couldn't even manage an immigration bill, but of course the democrats have no intention of ever passing immigration reform and pissing off their Union bosses, they just like the issue.  

Pretty funny your measure of success makes Trump with his tax cut legislation and and 2 supreme court judges in two years, look wildly successful in comparison.

We have had the JV in government for 20 years now.  They are all pretty much disasters.  

The republicans were running on saving the ACA. There were way more than enough votes, both emocrats and republicans. But Boehner refused to call a vote.

[happycamper]

16 hours ago, bluerules009 said:

Then why did every campaign commercial in Nevada do so.   Even the democratic candidates were running from Pelosi.

Not to mention all the other candidates all across the country running from Pelosi both democrat and republican.

I guess being professional politicians they must not be as smart as you.

Well, he's speaking in hindsight, not trying to predict the future. Everybody gets a lot smarter on the first Wednesday in november. 

[smltwnrckr]

2 minutes ago, happycamper said:

Well, he's speaking in hindsight, not trying to predict the future. Everybody gets a lot smarter on the first Wednesday in november. 

And I lack tools' unique ability to look into the souls of minorities, Californians and minority californians.

[youngredbullfan]

I love when conservative guys claim that minorities voting Democrat on the basis of “identity politics” is necessarily a bad thing. You do realize that black and Hispanic identity politics are direct responses to systematic injustice and enflamed rhetoric, right? You do realize that political ideology is intimately tied to identity for all sides of the political spectrum, including conservatives, right? 

You do realize that voting on the basis of identity is often a logical decision, right? You do realize minorities are capable of political decision-making, right?