soupslam1 Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 29 minutes ago, Lester_in_reno said: Nobody has ever won anything in Afghanistan. It's impossible. Google: First Anglo - Afghanistan war 1840. Then Google : Sykes - Piicot agreement. I’m sure Russia would agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nevada Convert Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 5 hours ago, mugtang said: I don’t think Saddam was our problem though plus he was a stabilizing force against Iran. Iraq was all personal for Bush. A complete waste of blood and treasure. I do agree Iraq was personal for Bush. Saddam had previously put an assassination hit on his dad, and W really wanted his head on a platter for that, among other things. However, Bush just couldn’t order an invasion and got Congress and the UN involved. The House approved the invasion 296-133 and the Senate 77-23. That’s 70% of the House and 77% of the Senate. Ultimately, Bush, Powell, Congress, etc. were victims of bad intelligence. Without that intel, we would’ve never gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nevada Convert Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 2 hours ago, Lester_in_reno said: Nobody has ever won anything in Afghanistan. It's impossible. Google: First Anglo - Afghanistan war 1840. Then Google : Sykes - Piicot agreement. WTF????? How are you defining a “win”? Are you saying we’ve been defeated in Afghanistan? We’ve done nothing but win there. We operate in that country at will, and have never been driven out such as the Soviets were. But remember, we were also helping Bin Ladden and Co. drive out the Soviets big time. Without our help, it wouldn’t have happened. And as we all know, the extra weapons that weren’t used on the Soviets ended up being used on us. But we prevailed anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nevada Convert Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 2 hours ago, soupslam1 said: I’m sure Russia would agree. They invaded easily and held it for 9 years. It became a big pain in the ass to hold it when we began to supply big time tactical weapons to them such as the shoulder fired missiles that the freedom fighters used to destroy convoys with supplies in the mountains and used to shoot down Soviet helicopters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSUTOP25 Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 3 hours ago, Nevada Convert said: WTF????? How are you defining a “win”? Are you saying we’ve been defeated in Afghanistan? We’ve done nothing but win there. We operate in that country at will, and have never been driven out such as the Soviets were. But remember, we were also helping Bin Ladden and Co. drive out the Soviets big time. Without our help, it wouldn’t have happened. And as we all know, the extra weapons that weren’t used on the Soviets ended up being used on us. But we prevailed anyway. If you think we’ve “won” or are “winning” in Afghanistan, you’re even more retarded than I originally assumed. The Taliban have NOT been defeated and are using the so called Afghani military as target practice of late, killing hundres of their “soldiers” per month. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSUTOP25 Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 14 hours ago, toonkee said: Think about the power vacuum that was created by taking out Hussein. The refugees, migrations and the subsequent nationalism and Brexit and border walls...and god knows what else down the pipe. Not only that, but using the same amount of time, people, money, and resources as in the Iraq War, we could have reduced the homelessness problem in Fresno by at least 30%. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toonkee Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 1 hour ago, BSUTOP25 said: Not only that, but using the same amount of time, people, money, and resources as in the Iraq War, we could have reduced the homelessness problem in Fresno by at least 30%. That number seems aggressive but point taken. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happycamper Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 9 hours ago, Lester_in_reno said: Nobody has ever won anything in Afghanistan. It's impossible. Google: First Anglo - Afghanistan war 1840. Then Google : Sykes - Piicot agreement. The Mongols would laugh heartily at your assertion 1 Quote Remember that every argument you have with someone on MWCboard is actually the continuation of a different argument they had with someone else also on MWCboard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSUTOP25 Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 13 minutes ago, happycamper said: The Mongols would laugh heartily at your assertion You are correct in that there is a way to effectively conquer Afghanistan .. and that would indeed be the Mongol method, completely sans of "winning hearts and minds." Basically, savagely obliterate any and all opposition while not taking prisoners under any circumstance except to torture and kill or brutally leverage in some way down the road. Only allow those who didn't put up a resistance to survive, regardless of gender or age. Then turn the day to day operations over to a puppet to manage somewhat autonomously and in line with the local ethos as long as taxes get paid to the Khan. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thelawlorfaithful Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 8 minutes ago, BSUTOP25 said: You are correct in that there is a way to effectively conquer Afghanistan .. and that would indeed be the Mongol method, completely sans of "winning hearts and minds." Basically, savagely obliterate any and all opposition while not taking prisoners under any circumstance except to torture and kill or brutally leverage in some way down the road. Only allow those who didn't put up a resistance to survive, regardless of gender or age. Then turn the day to day operations over to a puppet to manage somewhat autonomously and in line with the local ethos as long as taxes get paid to the Khan. So it is agreed! Take the total population of Afghanistan, A, multiply by the probable rate of resistance fighter, B, multiply by the average cost of brutal massacre, C. A times B times C equals X. If X is less than $5.9 trillion, we change policies. Quote We’re all sitting in the dugout. Thinking we should pitch. How you gonna throw a shutout when all you do is bitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor Maitlin Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 19 hours ago, mugtang said: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-11-15/us-has-spent-5900000000000-war-2001 We’ve spent $5.9 trillion on war since 2001. Yep. Remember when Cheney fired the head of the OMB because he dared to suggest that the Iraq debacle would cost $200M instead of $50M. If only. Quote SteelCityBlueNovember 24th, 2018 at 9:10 PM ^I'm looking forward to a new head coach who isn't a cud-chewing autistic retard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor Maitlin Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 8 hours ago, Nevada Convert said: I do agree Iraq was personal for Bush. Saddam had previously put an assassination hit on his dad, and W really wanted his head on a platter for that, among other things. However, Bush just couldn’t order an invasion and got Congress and the UN involved. The House approved the invasion 296-133 and the Senate 77-23. That’s 70% of the House and 77% of the Senate. Ultimately, Bush, Powell, Congress, etc. were victims of bad intelligence. Without that intel, we would’ve never gone. They weren't victims of bad intelligence. The United States and the world were victims of a weak and corrupt CIA that pandered their conclusions to the conclusions that the administration wanted to present. Quote SteelCityBlueNovember 24th, 2018 at 9:10 PM ^I'm looking forward to a new head coach who isn't a cud-chewing autistic retard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorCalCoug Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 5 minutes ago, Victor Maitlin said: Yep. Remember when Cheney fired the head of the OMB because he dared to suggest that the Iraq debacle would cost $200M instead of $50M. If only. Well that didn’t age well did it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mugtang Posted November 16, 2018 Author Share Posted November 16, 2018 6 minutes ago, Victor Maitlin said: Yep. Remember when Cheney fired the head of the OMB because he dared to suggest that the Iraq debacle would cost $200M instead of $50M. If only. I wish it had only cost 200M. Shit, 200B would’ve been great! Quote thelawlorfaithful, on 31 Dec 2012 - 04:01 AM, said:One of the rules I live by: never underestimate a man in a dandy looking sweater Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSUTOP25 Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 9 minutes ago, thelawlorfaithful said: So it is agreed! Take the total population of Afghanistan, A, multiply by the probable rate of resistance fighter, B, multiply by the average cost of brutal massacre, C. A times B times C equals X. If X is less than $5.9 trillion, we change policies. Essentially this: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mugtang Posted November 16, 2018 Author Share Posted November 16, 2018 10 minutes ago, thelawlorfaithful said: So it is agreed! Take the total population of Afghanistan, A, multiply by the probable rate of resistance fighter, B, multiply by the average cost of brutal massacre, C. A times B times C equals X. If X is less than $5.9 trillion, we change policies. The math adds up. Quote thelawlorfaithful, on 31 Dec 2012 - 04:01 AM, said:One of the rules I live by: never underestimate a man in a dandy looking sweater Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor Maitlin Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 23 minutes ago, mugtang said: I wish it had only cost 200M. Shit, 200B would’ve been great! My bad. Billions, not millions. And yes, 200B and half a million non-dead civilians would have been great. Quote SteelCityBlueNovember 24th, 2018 at 9:10 PM ^I'm looking forward to a new head coach who isn't a cud-chewing autistic retard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Extra Mayo Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 The three thousand deaths from 9/11 turned into 7,000 deaths thx2 the pvssyfooting we did trying to placate the international commy-unity. There is no point for a country to engage in war if that country is not going to identify the enemy they are fighting. There was only one effective way to respond to 9/11: vaporize Afghanistan. Then ask Pakistan, Iran, et al "Any questions going forward?!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor Maitlin Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 18 hours ago, Extra Mayo said: The three thousand deaths from 9/11 turned into 7,000 deaths thx2 the pvssyfooting we did trying to placate the international commy-unity. There is no point for a country to engage in war if that country is not going to identify the enemy they are fighting. There was only one effective way to respond to 9/11: vaporize Afghanistan. Then ask Pakistan, Iran, et al "Any questions going forward?!" Great. Then I eagerly await the justified vaporizing of Dallas, Atlanta, LA, NYC and Chicago by the Chileans, Argentinians, Iranians, Cambodians, Iraqis, Yemenis, Nicaraguans, Guatemalans, Indonesians and the countless other countries that this nation has reigned terror down upon. 3,000 dead innocents? That's a good month for this country. 1 Quote SteelCityBlueNovember 24th, 2018 at 9:10 PM ^I'm looking forward to a new head coach who isn't a cud-chewing autistic retard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soupslam1 Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 4 hours ago, Victor Maitlin said: Great. Then I eagerly await the justified vaporizing of Dallas, Atlanta, LA, NYC and Chicago by the Chileans, Argentinians, Iranians, Cambodians, Iraqis, Yemenis, Nicaraguans, Guatemalans, Indonesians and the countless other countries that this nation has reigned terror down upon. 3,000 dead innocents? That's a good month for this country. Why do you hate America? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...