thelawlorfaithful Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 4 minutes ago, Akkula said: Tell those kids digging up blood diamonds and people working in sweatshops that unconstrained capitalism isn't violent. National Socialists are okay with violence as long as the social benefits of the system confer to them and they are not personally subjected to it. Gee whiz, horrible criminals are violent. Somebody call the news, Akkula is on to something big here. Quote We’re all sitting in the dugout. Thinking we should pitch. How you gonna throw a shutout when all you do is bitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thelawlorfaithful Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, NMpackalum said: Far from being a right winger, I just post to correct your inaccuracies about healthcare. But you're right I rarely post anymore because this board is a microcosm of society where both sides appreciate rhetoric over facts and results. We really don't have thoughtful debate anymore. Smart, thoughtful poster stops posting so much and laments the reduction in smart, thoughtful posts. 1 Quote We’re all sitting in the dugout. Thinking we should pitch. How you gonna throw a shutout when all you do is bitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NMpackalum Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 1 minute ago, thelawlorfaithful said: Smart, thoughtful poster stops posting so much and laments the reduction in smart, thoughtful posts. I'm not lamenting it. It's still entertaining observing the echochambers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smltwnrckr Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 So, Teenage Dracula said this: “Look, the current nation-state model is the product of thousands of years of political, social, and cultural evolution,” Miller said. “I mean, it was only recently, in like the last few decades, that people have tried to create an organizing principle larger than the nation-state.” The desire to root for your own native country is “intrinsic” to human nature, he told me. “You see that flag, you sing the national anthem, or you hear your team wins the gold medal … it creates a kind of pride in you that is really hard to translate.” The anti-intellectual push of the GOP is making a little more sense to me now. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/11/stephen-miller-trump-closing-message/574594/ Quote Planning is an exercise of power, and in a modern state much real power is suffused with boredom. The agents of planning are usually boring; the planning process is boring; the implementation of plans is always boring. In a democracy boredom works for bureaucracies and corporations as smell works for skunk. It keeps danger away. Power does not have to be exercised behind the scenes. It can be open. The audience is asleep. The modern world is forged amidst our inattention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pokebball Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 6 minutes ago, smltwnrckr said: So, Teenage Dracula said this: “Look, the current nation-state model is the product of thousands of years of political, social, and cultural evolution,” Miller said. “I mean, it was only recently, in like the last few decades, that people have tried to create an organizing principle larger than the nation-state.” The desire to root for your own native country is “intrinsic” to human nature, he told me. “You see that flag, you sing the national anthem, or you hear your team wins the gold medal … it creates a kind of pride in you that is really hard to translate.” The anti-intellectual push of the GOP is making a little more sense to me now. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/11/stephen-miller-trump-closing-message/574594/ Intellectuals struggle implementing much of anything. You need us Quote The World Needs More Cowboys! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smltwnrckr Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 Just now, pokebball said: Intellectuals struggle implementing much of anything. You need us If by "us" you mean the Teenage Draculas of the world, we'd be better off without them. What he lacks in historical literacy he makes up for in malevolent intent. Quote Planning is an exercise of power, and in a modern state much real power is suffused with boredom. The agents of planning are usually boring; the planning process is boring; the implementation of plans is always boring. In a democracy boredom works for bureaucracies and corporations as smell works for skunk. It keeps danger away. Power does not have to be exercised behind the scenes. It can be open. The audience is asleep. The modern world is forged amidst our inattention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happycamper Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 29 minutes ago, smltwnrckr said: So, Teenage Dracula said this: “Look, the current nation-state model is the product of thousands of years of political, social, and cultural evolution,” Miller said. “I mean, it was only recently, in like the last few decades, that people have tried to create an organizing principle larger than the nation-state.” The desire to root for your own native country is “intrinsic” to human nature, he told me. “You see that flag, you sing the national anthem, or you hear your team wins the gold medal … it creates a kind of pride in you that is really hard to translate.” The anti-intellectual push of the GOP is making a little more sense to me now. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/11/stephen-miller-trump-closing-message/574594/ I thought that Duke was a good school...? Quote Remember that every argument you have with someone on MWCboard is actually the continuation of a different argument they had with someone else also on MWCboard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smltwnrckr Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 1 minute ago, happycamper said: I thought that Duke was a good school...? Apparently not. Or maybe he didn't take any history classes? Quote Planning is an exercise of power, and in a modern state much real power is suffused with boredom. The agents of planning are usually boring; the planning process is boring; the implementation of plans is always boring. In a democracy boredom works for bureaucracies and corporations as smell works for skunk. It keeps danger away. Power does not have to be exercised behind the scenes. It can be open. The audience is asleep. The modern world is forged amidst our inattention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HR_Poke Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 7 hours ago, happycamper said: You can have as many good actors as you want. When you define the borders based on silly trivialities like invisible lines or the smallest of physical generalities or language lines or culture or ethos you are doomed to have an autocratic nation state that promotes "more nationalist than thou" tendencies and forces worship at the foot of artificially created, externally forced "national values" that only serve the plutocrats. Our stupid chimp minds can't accept groups larger than 150 as containing individuals, the only way to a true liberal humanist government is to use the ties of economic class brotherhood. We already live in a one world government, ruled by the dollar and administered by an unholy alliance of the bourgeois and the bureaucrats. All you have to lose are your chains. And maybe your standard of living. What Persians, HR? The Fars? The Medes? The Lydians? Babylonians? And when? They had issues, large issues, with feudal lords not accepting imperial rule well into the Sassanid empire. That's over a thousand years of resistance to the concept of being a nationalist state, and that's before the thousands of years of each constituent part of what eventually became ruling each other in a kind of merry go round. Islam put paid to any Persian nationalism that was growing after Khosrau's reforms. There are all sorts of articles and lectures discussing roots of Iranian nationalism in ancient Persia. You can look into them yourselves. I'm not going to feed your constant obsession with arguing just to argue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happycamper Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, HR_Poke said: There are all sorts of articles and lectures discussing roots of Iranian nationalism in ancient Persia. You can look into them yourselves. I'm not going to feed your constant obsession with arguing just to argue. That's gonna be a first Quote Remember that every argument you have with someone on MWCboard is actually the continuation of a different argument they had with someone else also on MWCboard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackrabbit Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 I see a large group of people looking down their noses at some "nationalist " fellow countrymen, because these nationalists look down their noses at other countries...... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackrabbit Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 8 hours ago, Akkula said: Tell those kids digging up blood diamonds and people working in sweatshops that unconstrained capitalism isn't violent. Tell those kids about, how the closest thing we have to a global govt, the UN, did something to help them. You are naive. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HR_Poke Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 3 hours ago, happycamper said: That's gonna be a first I just got done putting my dog down, sorry I'm not feeding your entertainment for the evening. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sactowndog Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 13 minutes ago, HR_Poke said: I just got done putting my dog down, sorry I'm not feeding your entertainment for the evening. Sorry to hear that.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happycamper Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 11 hours ago, HR_Poke said: I just got done putting my dog down, sorry I'm not feeding your entertainment for the evening. Sorry man. You don't need mwcboard bullshit then. Quote Remember that every argument you have with someone on MWCboard is actually the continuation of a different argument they had with someone else also on MWCboard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pokebball Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 14 hours ago, HR_Poke said: I just got done putting my dog down, sorry I'm not feeding your entertainment for the evening. Always a tough go. Old age, hopefully? Not that it makes it any easier, but better than alternatives 1 Quote The World Needs More Cowboys! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...