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1 hour ago, Tulsa Guy said:

It is interesting to observe the comments on the Temple/UCF game.  UCF is being criticized by MWC fans as being a poor team because the Knights did not win by a big margin.  MWC fans refuse to recognize that Temple has righted its ship from the beginning of the season and is now a good football team, beating Maryland at Maryland.  The Temple/UCF game, like many AAC games, was a competitive game of two good football teams.

The AAC has depth, unlike the MWC, and you are not going to get so many runaway winning margins in the AAC.  The bottom half of the MWC teams cannot compete with the top half of MWC teams, so you get runaway large winning margins in the MWC, for example, Fresno 27, Wyoming 3.  Mutang's data documented this.  This is not true in the AAC.  The lower half of AAC football teams are capable of giving the top half a strong tussle on any game. 

 

What’s the difference between Fresno beating Wyoming 27-3 and UCF beating SMU 48-20 or UConn 56-10 or ECU 37-10.  This gap you speak of that exists in the mwc also exists in the AAC. 

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39 minutes ago, mugtang said:

What’s the difference between Fresno beating Wyoming 27-3 and UCF beating SMU 48-20 or UConn 56-10 or ECU 37-10.  This gap you speak of that exists in the mwc also exists in the AAC. 

Ah, oops? 

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2 hours ago, Tulsa Guy said:

 

The primary point being missed is that the AAC has shown, given a comparable broadcast platform similar to B12 and PAC, the AAC is capable of cranking out some good viewership numbers, something the MWC has not proved.

what it proves is that you know how to falsify numbers.  Or at best dont know how to read them.

 

 

 

That 2.99M you cited as for BOTH the UCF/Memphis and UWash/Oregon games, which were being televised on a split national/reverse mirror telecast between ABC and ESPN2.  And most of the country got the Oregon game on ABC.  The UCF game was on ABC mostly in the Southeast - where most people were watching UGa/LSU on CBS.

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8 minutes ago, RSF said:

what it proves is that you know how to falsify numbers.  Or at best dont know how to read them.

 

 

 

That 2.99M you cited as for BOTH the UCF/Memphis and UWash/Oregon games, which were being televised on a split national/reverse mirror telecast between ABC and ESPN2.

 

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8 minutes ago, pesik said:

 

The AAC also had the LOWEST rated ESPN Thursday game of the year.  Tulsa/Houston.  So congrats....

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2 hours ago, Tulsa Guy said:

It is interesting to observe the comments on the Temple/UCF game.  UCF is being criticized by MWC fans as being a poor team because the Knights did not win by a big margin.  MWC fans refuse to recognize that Temple has righted its ship from the beginning of the season and is now a good football team, beating Maryland at Maryland.  The Temple/UCF game, like many AAC games, was a competitive game of two good football teams.

The AAC has depth, unlike the MWC, and you are not going to get so many runaway winning margins in the AAC.  The bottom half of the MWC teams cannot compete with the top half of MWC teams, so you get runaway large winning margins in the MWC, for example, Fresno 27, Wyoming 3.  Mutang's data documented this.  This is not true in the AAC.  The lower half of AAC football teams are capable of giving the top half a strong tussle on any game. 

 

I don't think they were being criticized for a close game. Everybody recognizes that those happens. Boise's 2006 team left their game against SJSU with a narrow win and went on to beat Oklahoma. UCF is being criticized for giving up 445 yards of offense in the first half.  Temple's QB matched his season averages in the first 2.25 quarters of the game. Good teams can win in multiple ways, but I think you could agree that UCF looked a bit hapless on D. 

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3 hours ago, Tulsa Guy said:

 

The AAC has depth, unlike the MWC...

Debatable.

 

https://www.masseyratings.com/cf/compare.htm

 

Collectively, the AAC is higher rated, but not decisively so.  And both conferences have a fair share of dogs - both conferences has 4 teams rated below 100, with MWC having 4 teams in the 80-90s and the AAC 3.  Meanwhile, both conferences have 3 teams in the top 40.  The distribution of quality is actually pretty similar.

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5 hours ago, JADogs05 said:

I don't think they were being criticized for a close game. Everybody recognizes that those happens. Boise's 2006 team left their game against SJSU with a narrow win and went on to beat Oklahoma. UCF is being criticized for giving up 445 yards of offense in the first half.  Temple's QB matched his season averages in the first 2.25 quarters of the game. Good teams can win in multiple ways, but I think you could agree that UCF looked a bit hapless on D. 

That SJSU team was their best team in like two decades.  Beat stanford, narrowly lost at washington.  Bunch of NFL guys on it iirc.  I don't think Temple is near that good.

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8 hours ago, RSF said:

The AAC also had the LOWEST rated ESPN Thursday game of the year.  Tulsa/Houston.  So congrats....

With the Temple/UCF Thursday game probably getting very high ratings, the AAC now has the #1, #2, #3, and #4 highest ranked Thursday G5 games on ESPN.  Games involving Tulsa are ranked #2 and #3.

Tulsa's lowest ranked Thursday game against Houston of 562K ranked ahead of California/Arizona (406K, FS1, Saturday), Kansas State/Baylor (317K, FS1. Saturday), and SDSU/Boise (269K, ESPNU, Saturday) played that same weekend.

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19 hours ago, RSF said:

Debatable.

 

https://www.masseyratings.com/cf/compare.htmThe

 

Collectively, the AAC is higher rated, but not decisively so.  And both conferences have a fair share of dogs - both conferences has 4 teams rated below 100, with MWC having 4 teams in the 80-90s and the AAC 3.  Meanwhile, both conferences have 3 teams in the top 40.  The distribution of quality is actually pretty similar.

The Massey Ratings for one year are irrelevant.  The issue is over a period of years.  UConn, ECU, and Tulsa are struggling with their football programs.  UConn fired their old coach and ECU soon will.  Tulsa will probably give its current coach one more year.  It is a coaching issue at these three schools and not an issue of not being able to recruit quality players as these three programs are proven programs that are competitive.  I have no clue what is going on at Tulane.

MWC has New Mexico (3-5), AFA (3-5), CSU (3-6), Wyoming (3-6), SJSU (1-7), and UNLV (2-6).  These six programs are irrelevant or headed to irrelevancy.....and not just for one year.  Whether a new coach can turn these programs around, who knows?

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20 hours ago, RSF said:

what it proves is that you know how to falsify numbers.  Or at best dont know how to read them.

 

 

 

That 2.99M you cited as for BOTH the UCF/Memphis and UWash/Oregon games, which were being televised on a split national/reverse mirror telecast between ABC and ESPN2.  And most of the country got the Oregon game on ABC.  The UCF game was on ABC mostly in the Southeast - where most people were watching UGa/LSU on CBS.

Too bad the viewership is not available for both games.  I don't understand why this data is not available.

But the signifcance of the Split Screen telecasts is that super aggressive AAC Commissioner Aresco and the AAC has kicked PAC out of USA's most lucrative market.  The South TV region accounts for 37.7% of USA population.  Aresco cleverly negotiated these Split Screen telecasts, it appears, into AAC's first TV contract.  So what Aresco is doing is pushing ACC onto the national ABC telecasts....by pushing PAC out of the way.  Nine of ACC's 12 schools are in the lucrative South TV market.  Here is the USA population breakdown from Census.gov.

Northeast:   17.5%

Midwest:  21.1%

West:  23.6%

South:  37.7%

B1G added Rutgers and Maryland because the Midwest population is declining.  In the meatime, the population is growing in the South.

Regarding your statement most South fans were watch Georgia/LSU, you have no data to support that statement.  Certainly, the Georgia/LSU game had a large TV audience.  But the AAC has its fans and now has many TV telecasts drawing more than a million people.  And the AAC has done this going up not only SEC but BiG and Big12.

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34 minutes ago, Tulsa Guy said:

The Massey Ratings for one year are irrelevant.  The issue is over a period of years.  UConn, ECU, and Tulsa are struggling with their football programs.  UConn fired their old coach and ECU soon will.  Tulsa will probably give its current coach one more year.  It is a coaching issue at these three schools and not an issue of not being able to recruit quality players as these three programs are proven programs that are competitive.  I have no clue what is going on at Tulane.

MWC has New Mexico (3-5), AFA (3-5), CSU (3-6), Wyoming (3-6), SJSU (1-7), and UNLV (2-6).  These six programs are irrelevant or headed to irrelevancy.....and not just for one year.  Whether a new coach can turn these programs around, who knows?

I actually feel bad for Tulsa guy, and most AAC fans. They are delusional, and have an inability to look in the mirror. Just look at the bolded portion. 

The difference between AAC and MWC fans is, MW fans know and understand their strengths and weaknesses. AAC fans actually believe they are superior. It is comical. 

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35 minutes ago, fanhood said:

If anyone watched the Temple v. UCF game, and thinks that showing was a good thing for the AAC, I am not sure what to say. That was a horrible look for UCF, and by proxy, the conference. 

Villanova should be proud of Temple's moxy though.  

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46 minutes ago, East Coast Aztec said:

They will be fine in the AP/Coaches.  Loser of UGA/UK will fall below them.  They may drop in the CFP poll though.

Only thing that matters is the CFP. AP won't matter again until January. Coaches Poll never matters.

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