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Nice to see that 5 of the top 6 MW schools are old WAC

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12 hours ago, Tulsa Guy said:

College sports is a business.  One cannot have a short meeting in an airport and successfully build a conference.  There was probably never as deep of marriage of arrogance and stupidity as there was at the Denver Airport.  The failures of that meeting was based on the inability of those present to recognize their current weaknesses and to forsee the troubles emerging beyond the horizon.

These mistakes were compounded by not hiring a MWC Commissioner with extensive TV experience like AAC Commissioner Aresco who worked in sports programming or an associate or assistant commissioner from a P5 Conference, probably someone form BiG or SEC.

The negative fallout of that meeting continues today.  The MWC was not able to attract Gonzaga, and the MWC will probably lose both its PAC bowl opponent and the Vegas Bowl as the PAC would love to have a P5 opponent.  The current MWC TV contract is low both in dollars and exposure.

How does one begin to strengthen the MWC?  First, send Wyoming to where it belongs, the Big SKy Conference.  This is an artificial program pumped up by a state legislature willing to spend millions of dollars on it.  BUt the Wyoming state legislature cannot buy MWC a tv audience, so, in a sense, the other 11 MWC schools end up subsidizing Wyoming along with its state legislature.  This leaves MWC with 11 football teams and just stay at that number and abolish the divisions and play 9 conference games.  This increases the matchups of more attractive games for TV, that is more games among SDSU, FSU, UU, and BSU.

Second, make AFA football only.  This action, along with dumping Wyoming, opens up two basketball slots.

Third, the MWC should recognize its weakness and invite BYU for its olympic sports.  MWC needs to swallow its foolish pride.  So some kind of arrangement similar to what ACC has done with Notre Dame.  This not only adds a strong basketball program, but provides a mechanism to pry Gonzaga from WCC.  Remember how PAC invited Colorado, thinking this action might priy Texas and Oklahoma away from B12 into PAC?  It didn't work because the Longhorns wanted their TV Network....but it was a good strategy.  The MWC could send out two invitations, one to Gonzaga, and s second conditional invite to one of the more prominent WCC teams or Seattle University or University of British COlumbia.  Tell Gonzaga that if they refuse to accept the MWC in a stated period of time, then the invite goes to the second school.  Gonzaga will lost two top opponents from the WCC, BYU and whatever.

The idea is to make Gonzaga's continued membership in WCC untenable....by killing off the WCC ESPN TV contract. In fact, go to 14 basketball schools (if the TV money is there) and invite 2 more of the better WCC schools and just kill that conferene, period.  The MWC then sort of becomes in basketball terms the "Big East" of the West.

AAC just added Wichita State which has played in the NCAA tournament each year from 2012 to 2018, a total of 17 games earning about $27 million for its conference.

What if MWC could do this with BYU and another basketball school?  Hmmm......$27 million X two basketball schools potentially equals $54 million.  Is wyoming really worth $54 million to its MWC members?

Fourth, fire your Sun Belt Commissioner and hire an agressive knowledgeable commissioner like the AAC has.  There is more turmoil ahead.

One last point.  MWC fooled around, consumed by its false importance, and let WIchita State slip away.  If the MWC continues to fool around with BYU with MWC' foolish pride, the MWC might just drive BYU into the AAC.

Finally, a thank you from yours truly to all the Airport Boyz.  The decisions made at that time were greatly unsettling and fraught with danger for the Texas Schools and Tulsa.  But it has placed those schools in a much better position than the WAC, MWC, or whatever materializes out west could ever hope to offer.

 

 

Where did Tulsa guy come from?   And how are views from a fan of the juggernaut that is Tulsa football anywhere relevant? Along with Tulane Tulsa killed the chances of a legitimate teeener conference.  Now we have the AAC and MWC who both made bad choices for additions.   How many were at the last guilds game?   Couple hundred at least.  

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He posted and updates a thread about ESPN ratings from sports media watch.  I keep trying to tell him that the difference between the two conferences is incremental because they are all less than a single rating share 'point' except for a few games and that if the American gets more money so will the Mountain West. 

He doesn't like my theory that the American will not be an ESPN exclusive property if they want to earn more from media rights.  Apparently ESPN exclusivity is very important to him and the Sports Media Watch numbers demonstrate the American's inherent superiority.

He is convinced that the American can only prosper at the expense of the Mountain West - both on the field and in 2019-20 TV negotiations - hence the five point plan of terrible suggestions

 

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On 10/28/2018 at 1:47 AM, wolf from 73 said:

The more recent additions from the WAC with the exception of BSU were all at the bottom of this conference when we all came in. Something has changed either all but SJSU have gotten better or this conference has gotten worse. I would like to think that the additions have gotten better. One old MW top is in the gutter that being BYU.

From 2012 through 2017, the average finish by team is as follows (note that ties result in years without teams over 7th place):

BSU - 1.5

SDSU - 2

FSU - 3

USU - 3

CSU - 3.33

AFA - 3.5

WYO - 4.16

Nev - 4.3

SJSU - 4.6

UNM - 5

UNLV - 5.16

Hawaii - 6

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On 10/28/2018 at 11:25 AM, wolf from 73 said:

Yes I forgot about Fresno, they have done well for most of their time in this conference but my real point is that for the first time a number of other newer old WAC schools seem to be joining Fresno St and Boise St at the top half. That would be Utah St, Nevada and Hawaii.

What are you talking about? Nobody is talking about how they did in the WAC but how they are doing in " this conference " the MWC.

Again, USU won the Mtn. Division and played in the championship game in the first year (2013), the year before (2012) they ended the season ranked #16 in the AP, the year after (2014) they won 10 games and a bowl.

At the end of this season the three teams with the most wins under the current conference configuration will be in order... 1.BSU, 2.SDSU, 3.USU.

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2 hours ago, Zoomie said:

You do realize that teams like AFA, CSU, WYO, SDSU were Old WAC before any of your teams became Old WAC, right?

AFA and SDSU (and Hawai'i ... and UNLV) were late-comers to the Old WAC.  Hell, CSU wasn't even an original Old WAC team, but rather independent like USU, but won the beauty contest in 1967, along with UTEP.

In reality, original Old WAC now in the MWC consists only of Wyoming and New Mexico.  Everybody else came in later.

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59 minutes ago, USU78 said:

AFA and SDSU (and Hawai'i ... and UNLV) were late-comers to the Old WAC.  Hell, CSU wasn't even an original Old WAC team, but rather independent like USU, but won the beauty contest in 1967, along with UTEP.

In reality, original Old WAC now in the MWC consists only of Wyoming and New Mexico.  Everybody else came in later.

Thank you for proving my point!

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On 10/28/2018 at 12:52 PM, SLCPoke said:

How long is the “Old WAC” rhetoric going to happen? Do you have to be in the conference a decade for it to stop or? 

For reals though - the WAC was the shit!  Those good-ol' days playing our real brethren every year were the tits!

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But I'm totally seriously, you guys, it's so dumb we don't get to play Fresno and Nevada every since year like we should...

Also, WTF were we smoking when we forgot to demand our cowbells back via the term-sheet demands when we came back to the MW??

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1 hour ago, Jeffkills said:

For reals though - the WAC was the shit!  Those good-ol' days playing our real brethren every year were the tits!

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But I'm totally seriously, you guys, it's so dumb we don't get to play Fresno and Nevada every since year like we should...

Also, WTF were we smoking when we forgot to demand our cowbells back via the term-sheet demands when we came back to the MW??

I think that may be an NCAA rule not just MWC. Also, give you to the west for UNLV 😂

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On 10/28/2018 at 9:33 PM, Bruininthebay said:

He posted and updates a thread about ESPN ratings from sports media watch.  I keep trying to tell him that the difference between the two conferences is incremental because they are all less than a single rating share 'point' except for a few games and that if the American gets more money so will the Mountain West. 

He doesn't like my theory that the American will not be an ESPN exclusive property if they want to earn more from media rights.  Apparently ESPN exclusivity is very important to him and the Sports Media Watch numbers demonstrate the American's inherent superiority.

He is convinced that the American can only prosper at the expense of the Mountain West - both on the field and in 2019-20 TV negotiations - hence the five point plan of terrible suggestions

 

I did not post the ESPN TV ratings.  That was another person.  I do find them interesting and follow them weekly.

Regarding your statement that I have put in bold, I never said that.  The one thing just about every poster agrees is that each conference has their own geography, and that geography is irrelevant to other conferences.  Besides, your statement is nonsensical.  AAC would have to start games 10:30 PM at night in order to fit into the western TV time slots. 

Any conference, whether P5 or G5, will succeed or fail based on its fan base within its alumni and geography.

 

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