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Nice to see that 5 of the top 6 MW schools are old WAC

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3 minutes ago, East Coast Aztec said:

They are all old WAC.  It should be no surprise that taking the top of one conference to replace the top of another results in the current scenario.

The more recent additions from the WAC with the exception of BSU were all at the bottom of this conference when we all came in. Something has changed either all but SJSU have gotten better or this conference has gotten worse. I would like to think that the additions have gotten better. One old MW top is in the gutter that being BYU.

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47 minutes ago, wolf from 73 said:

Utah St and Fresno St lead the way followed by San Diego St, Boise St, Nevada and Hawaii. These programs are going in the right direction and need to continue. Now if the rest could just turn it around.

More accurately said, the MWC members who weren't gullible enough to fall for BYU lies of a new BCS conference.  All at the expense of backstabbing their conference mates.  BYU, UNLV, SDSU, Wyoming, etc. are getting exactly what they deserve.  

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1 minute ago, TheTedfordTrain said:

More accurately said, the MWC members who weren't gullible enough to fall for BYU lies of a new BCS conference.  All at the expense of backstabbing their conference mates.  BYU, UNLV, SDSU, Wyoming, etc. are getting exactly what they deserve.  

SDSU has been just fine.  We will be just fine for a while.  The newest traitors of the WAC are doing exactly what they should be doing, being good teams in their new conference.  

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College sports is a business.  One cannot have a short meeting in an airport and successfully build a conference.  There was probably never as deep of marriage of arrogance and stupidity as there was at the Denver Airport.  The failures of that meeting was based on the inability of those present to recognize their current weaknesses and to forsee the troubles emerging beyond the horizon.

These mistakes were compounded by not hiring a MWC Commissioner with extensive TV experience like AAC Commissioner Aresco who worked in sports programming or an associate or assistant commissioner from a P5 Conference, probably someone form BiG or SEC.

The negative fallout of that meeting continues today.  The MWC was not able to attract Gonzaga, and the MWC will probably lose both its PAC bowl opponent and the Vegas Bowl as the PAC would love to have a P5 opponent.  The current MWC TV contract is low both in dollars and exposure.

How does one begin to strengthen the MWC?  First, send Wyoming to where it belongs, the Big SKy Conference.  This is an artificial program pumped up by a state legislature willing to spend millions of dollars on it.  BUt the Wyoming state legislature cannot buy MWC a tv audience, so, in a sense, the other 11 MWC schools end up subsidizing Wyoming along with its state legislature.  This leaves MWC with 11 football teams and just stay at that number and abolish the divisions and play 9 conference games.  This increases the matchups of more attractive games for TV, that is more games among SDSU, FSU, UU, and BSU.

Second, make AFA football only.  This action, along with dumping Wyoming, opens up two basketball slots.

Third, the MWC should recognize its weakness and invite BYU for its olympic sports.  MWC needs to swallow its foolish pride.  So some kind of arrangement similar to what ACC has done with Notre Dame.  This not only adds a strong basketball program, but provides a mechanism to pry Gonzaga from WCC.  Remember how PAC invited Colorado, thinking this action might priy Texas and Oklahoma away from B12 into PAC?  It didn't work because the Longhorns wanted their TV Network....but it was a good strategy.  The MWC could send out two invitations, one to Gonzaga, and s second conditional invite to one of the more prominent WCC teams or Seattle University or University of British COlumbia.  Tell Gonzaga that if they refuse to accept the MWC in a stated period of time, then the invite goes to the second school.  Gonzaga will lost two top opponents from the WCC, BYU and whatever.

The idea is to make Gonzaga's continued membership in WCC untenable....by killing off the WCC ESPN TV contract. In fact, go to 14 basketball schools (if the TV money is there) and invite 2 more of the better WCC schools and just kill that conferene, period.  The MWC then sort of becomes in basketball terms the "Big East" of the West.

AAC just added Wichita State which has played in the NCAA tournament each year from 2012 to 2018, a total of 17 games earning about $27 million for its conference.

What if MWC could do this with BYU and another basketball school?  Hmmm......$27 million X two basketball schools potentially equals $54 million.  Is wyoming really worth $54 million to its MWC members?

Fourth, fire your Sun Belt Commissioner and hire an agressive knowledgeable commissioner like the AAC has.  There is more turmoil ahead.

One last point.  MWC fooled around, consumed by its false importance, and let WIchita State slip away.  If the MWC continues to fool around with BYU with MWC' foolish pride, the MWC might just drive BYU into the AAC.

Finally, a thank you from yours truly to all the Airport Boyz.  The decisions made at that time were greatly unsettling and fraught with danger for the Texas Schools and Tulsa.  But it has placed those schools in a much better position than the WAC, MWC, or whatever materializes out west could ever hope to offer.

 

 

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7 hours ago, wolf from 73 said:

The more recent additions from the WAC with the exception of BSU were all at the bottom of this conference when we all came in. Something has changed either all but SJSU have gotten better or this conference has gotten worse. I would like to think that the additions have gotten better. One old MW top is in the gutter that being BYU.

Uhm. We were conference champions our first two years in the MWC. Yes, we had three years of suck after that, but we certainly weren't at the bottom of the conference when we joined. 

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7 hours ago, wolf from 73 said:

The more recent additions from the WAC with the exception of BSU were all at the bottom of this conference when we all came in. Something has changed either all but SJSU have gotten better or this conference has gotten worse. I would like to think that the additions have gotten better. One old MW top is in the gutter that being BYU.

Utah State won the Mountain division the first year in.

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8 hours ago, wolf from 73 said:

The more recent additions from the WAC with the exception of BSU were all at the bottom of this conference when we all came in. Something has changed either all but SJSU have gotten better or this conference has gotten worse. I would like to think that the additions have gotten better. One old MW top is in the gutter that being BYU.

What are you talking about? Hawaii always competed well in the wac and fresno state was a legit title contender every year in the mid 90s.

 

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37 minutes ago, happycamper said:

What are you talking about? Hawaii always competed well in the wac and fresno state was a legit title contender every year in the mid 90s.

 

he forgot about fresno

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5 hours ago, retrofade said:

Uhm. We were conference champions our first two years in the MWC. Yes, we had three years of suck after that, but we certainly weren't at the bottom of the conference when we joined. 

Yes I forgot about Fresno, they have done well for most of their time in this conference but my real point is that for the first time a number of other newer old WAC schools seem to be joining Fresno St and Boise St at the top half. That would be Utah St, Nevada and Hawaii.

 

4 hours ago, happycamper said:

What are you talking about? Hawaii always competed well in the wac and fresno state was a legit title contender every year in the mid 90s.

 

What are you talking about? Nobody is talking about how they did in the WAC but how they are doing in " this conference " the MWC.

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5 hours ago, SLCPoke said:

How long is the “Old WAC” rhetoric going to happen? Do you have to be in the conference a decade for it to stop or?

I just assume they're talking about us. I mean who in their right mind would call boise state "old" wac?

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10 hours ago, Tulsa Guy said:

College sports is a business.  One cannot have a short meeting in an airport and successfully build a conference.  There was probably never as deep of marriage of arrogance and stupidity as there was at the Denver Airport.  The failures of that meeting was based on the inability of those present to recognize their current weaknesses and to forsee the troubles emerging beyond the horizon.

These mistakes were compounded by not hiring a MWC Commissioner with extensive TV experience like AAC Commissioner Aresco who worked in sports programming or an associate or assistant commissioner from a P5 Conference, probably someone form BiG or SEC.

The negative fallout of that meeting continues today.  The MWC was not able to attract Gonzaga, and the MWC will probably lose both its PAC bowl opponent and the Vegas Bowl as the PAC would love to have a P5 opponent.  The current MWC TV contract is low both in dollars and exposure.

How does one begin to strengthen the MWC?  First, send Wyoming to where it belongs, the Big SKy Conference.  This is an artificial program pumped up by a state legislature willing to spend millions of dollars on it.  BUt the Wyoming state legislature cannot buy MWC a tv audience, so, in a sense, the other 11 MWC schools end up subsidizing Wyoming along with its state legislature.  This leaves MWC with 11 football teams and just stay at that number and abolish the divisions and play 9 conference games.  This increases the matchups of more attractive games for TV, that is more games among SDSU, FSU, UU, and BSU.

Second, make AFA football only.  This action, along with dumping Wyoming, opens up two basketball slots.

Third, the MWC should recognize its weakness and invite BYU for its olympic sports.  MWC needs to swallow its foolish pride.  So some kind of arrangement similar to what ACC has done with Notre Dame.  This not only adds a strong basketball program, but provides a mechanism to pry Gonzaga from WCC.  Remember how PAC invited Colorado, thinking this action might priy Texas and Oklahoma away from B12 into PAC?  It didn't work because the Longhorns wanted their TV Network....but it was a good strategy.  The MWC could send out two invitations, one to Gonzaga, and s second conditional invite to one of the more prominent WCC teams or Seattle University or University of British COlumbia.  Tell Gonzaga that if they refuse to accept the MWC in a stated period of time, then the invite goes to the second school.  Gonzaga will lost two top opponents from the WCC, BYU and whatever.

The idea is to make Gonzaga's continued membership in WCC untenable....by killing off the WCC ESPN TV contract. In fact, go to 14 basketball schools (if the TV money is there) and invite 2 more of the better WCC schools and just kill that conferene, period.  The MWC then sort of becomes in basketball terms the "Big East" of the West.

AAC just added Wichita State which has played in the NCAA tournament each year from 2012 to 2018, a total of 17 games earning about $27 million for its conference.

What if MWC could do this with BYU and another basketball school?  Hmmm......$27 million X two basketball schools potentially equals $54 million.  Is wyoming really worth $54 million to its MWC members?

Fourth, fire your Sun Belt Commissioner and hire an agressive knowledgeable commissioner like the AAC has.  There is more turmoil ahead.

One last point.  MWC fooled around, consumed by its false importance, and let WIchita State slip away.  If the MWC continues to fool around with BYU with MWC' foolish pride, the MWC might just drive BYU into the AAC.

Finally, a thank you from yours truly to all the Airport Boyz.  The decisions made at that time were greatly unsettling and fraught with danger for the Texas Schools and Tulsa.  But it has placed those schools in a much better position than the WAC, MWC, or whatever materializes out west could ever hope to offer.

 

 

 

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