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On 10/30/2018 at 12:16 PM, Joe from WY said:

Honestly the core problem with the current state of public education in California is Prop 13. 

Disagree; spending in absolute $, prevailing wage requirements, prioritization of spending, retirement obligations, etc. is the problem 

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5 minutes ago, modestobulldog said:

Not if a high percentage land and stay on social services bankroll.

 

3 minutes ago, renoskier said:

What percentage of illegals do you believe are on welfare or snap?

Here, this might help (but I doubt you'll read it) dispel the false notion that illegal immigrants are a large drain on our social services.

It comes for that far left think tank, The Cato Institute. You know, the one funded by the Koch Bros.

https://www.cato.org/publications/immigration-research-policy-brief/immigration-welfare-state-immigrant-native-use-rates#full

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1 hour ago, tspoke said:

So with 15000 there will be more than 3 soldiers for every person in the caravan and by the time they get here it could be more than 10 to 1. I guess every immigrant/refugee/invader will have a personal escort home from the border. 

And don't forget the tens of thousands of border patrol agents as well.  It's a good thing we run such a huge budget surplus and have money to waste.  

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1 hour ago, sean327 said:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I take your comment to mean that Libertarians are not educated people. Why do you assume that?

All I meant was that to be libertarian is to advocate very small government and therefore minimal expenditures on public education and the data bear that out: 

http://www.governing.com/gov-data/education-data/state-education-spending-per-pupil-data.html

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37 minutes ago, modestobulldog said:

Isn't the Central Valley where proportionately more of illegal's land?

That's probably true as a proportion of the total population in comparison to big cities because agriculture is big there. However, my comparison was the Central Valley to the Reno metro area and given the significance of the gaming industry there which needs a large number of people to do semi-skilled blue collar jobs I wouldn't think its population would be considered to be particularly well educated either.

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22 minutes ago, renoskier said:

Not true. Any proof to back this up?

My Eli got my grandfather's potato farm outside Pocatello after he died because he was the only male among six kids and with one exception, the girls all got the heck out of there after HS. My uncle earned a pretty good living by bringing in a bunch of Mexicans under the Bracero Program who would live in tiny houses on the farm for about eight months a year and then return to Mexico and their families for the winter. I was only there a few times and knew nothing more than that about it but until about a decade ago had a secretary who was Mexican-American who told me her father was born in California because his dad had been here under that same program. According to Loretta, the "safety net" was supposed to be money the U.S. government paid to the Mexican government to create a sort of social security system for such workers. She also told me a reason the Bracero Program was eliminated was that the U.S. government found out that Mexican leaders had "stolen" most of that money and her grandfather therefore had no such safety net. I never checked but given how corrupt the Mexican government has pretty much always been, that makes sense to me.

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1 minute ago, sandiegopete said:

7,000 members of ISIS are rushing toward the United States with the intent of raping the white women.  Only Trump can save us!  

Wrong.  Trump said ISIS was defeated if i remember.  My guess is he will start screaming MS13 again.  I thought it was hilarious he started with 5000 troops and he didn't get the response he wanted.  So then he started yapping 10000-15000.  Strangest president i have ever seen.  And then he said he could change the Constitution with an executive order.  My goodness his fan base is gullible.

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17 minutes ago, alum93 said:

LOL.  Has his opinion changed with more data, more education, more experience over 25 years?  (Spoiler:  The answer is yes.)

Actually it was more power in the Democratic Party and more responsibility for promoting their positions.

Back in 1993, Reid was free to speak his true feelings. He actually used to be a pretty damn good Senator until he got into leadership.

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11 minutes ago, SharkTanked said:

Actually it was more power in the Democratic Party and more responsibility for promoting their positions.

Back in 1993, Reid was free to speak his true feelings. He actually used to be a pretty damn good Senator until he got into leadership.

Well, he has been in Congress forever.  If you have to post a video from 1993 and pretend that is his position, then that should be an answer in itself.  Back on topic, how is the party of fiscal responsibility performing?  Deficits as far as the eye can see and sending 15000 troops which could cost anywhere from $50M to $100M to feed an ego and try and swing an election.  Good stuff.

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4 minutes ago, alum93 said:

Wrong.  Trump said ISIS was defeated if i remember.  My guess is he will start screaming MS13 again. 

Yeah, Trump played the MS-13 card before even asking whether anybody from El Salvador might be among what was at least originally entirely Hondurans.

Probably all the same people anyway as far as he's concerned.

Boom goes the dynamite.

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Just now, SleepingGiantsFan said:

Yeah, Trump played the MS-13 card before even asking whether anybody from El Salvador might be among what was at least originally almost entirely Hondurans.

Probably all the same people anyway as far as he's concerned.

To Trump fans, they are all brown and that's all that matters.  In a bad way,  like lock your doors because those people don't look like us.  So scary.... 

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Prop 13 is clearly part of the issue with education funding in California, but it's not nearly the entire issue. It has as much if not more to do with the state political regime refusing to work within the constraints that Prop 13 was meant to place on the government's ability to increase property taxes. Talk to educational administrators (actually, don't they're all assholes) and they'll complain about prop 13, but their budgetary problems are mostly related to state-imposed liabilities (largely related to retirement) and the lack of flexibility for them to prioritize spending on teachers and students. Prop 13 is the only institutional limit on Democratic power in this state, and they like to point to it and cry and say that's ruining your kids' schools so that they can eventually get enough support to overturn it. Problem is, it's still hugely popular here even though this state is overwhelmingly Democrat.

Sheer spending is not the issue when it comes to problems with education in California, and in many cases, peoples' complaints about the public schools in California (especially the Central Valley) are code for the fact that they'd rather not send their kids to a school with brown kids whose parents speak Spanish. Interestingly, that's a situation in California and Central Valley schools that has been going on for decades, so the conservative golden ageism about how this region is affected by immigration is nonsense too. Republicans and Democrats both have their dicks in the sand when it comes about solving education issues in California. If they both had their ways, we'd have schools where teachers were paid $100,000 starting salaries in Tulare, but all the kids would be poor white kids from Oklahoma who couldn't read any better than the Hispanic kids who are there now.

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50 minutes ago, renoskier said:

 

Here, this might help (but I doubt you'll read it) dispel the false notion that illegal immigrants are a large drain on our social services.

It comes for that far left think tank, The Cato Institute. You know, the one funded by the Koch Bros.

https://www.cato.org/publications/immigration-research-policy-brief/immigration-welfare-state-immigrant-native-use-rates#full

I don't have time to read, but first pass it would appear to be low cost.  Also, it would appear the caravan of asylum seekers would qualify for the full enchilada of benefits, not the reduced entitlement of illegals. 

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18 minutes ago, smltwnrckr said:

Prop 13 is clearly part of the issue with education funding in California, but it's not nearly the entire issue. It has as much if not more to do with the state political regime refusing to work within the constraints that Prop 13 was meant to place on the government's ability to increase property taxes. Talk to educational administrators (actually, don't they're all assholes) and they'll complain about prop 13, but their budgetary problems are mostly related to state-imposed liabilities (largely related to retirement) and the lack of flexibility for them to prioritize spending on teachers and students. Prop 13 is the only institutional limit on Democratic power in this state, and they like to point to it and cry and say that's ruining your kids' schools so that they can eventually get enough support to overturn it. Problem is, it's still hugely popular here even though this state is overwhelmingly Democrat.

Sheer spending is not the issue when it comes to problems with education in California, and in many cases, peoples' complaints about the public schools in California (especially the Central Valley) are code for the fact that they'd rather not send their kids to a school with brown kids whose parents speak Spanish. Interestingly, that's a situation in California and Central Valley schools that has been going on for decades, so the conservative golden ageism about how this region is affected by immigration is nonsense too. Republicans and Democrats both have their dicks in the sand when it comes about solving education issues in California. If they both had their ways, we'd have schools where teachers were paid $100,000 starting salaries in Tulare, but all the kids would be poor white kids from Oklahoma who couldn't read any better than the Hispanic kids who are there now.

Jeeze! Get off topic much?  Proposition 13 was 100% responsible for the degradation of the California educational system. It resulted in gutting the financing for schools even while the state  was experiencing a population boom. Proposition 13 was championed by a bunch of dried up old people who cared only about feathering their own nests even as they approached death. The strength of a nation is in its youth, not its old people. 

The old people constantly whine about having to pay for the education of young people even though they themselves benefitted from public education.   

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