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I never want to hear the GOP complain about deficits again

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3 minutes ago, NVGiant said:

 

You know that’s not my position, but you say it anyway. You’ll never change.

I know that's your position.

I have never seen you suggest anything more than a tax increase.  Even though a tax increase has been proven over and over to reduce taxes collected past 18% of GDP.

 

You won't even consider a cut.  You hate on the tea party for forcing cuts which were so minor no one noticed.  You and the rest of you will have run this country so far into debt the only way out is eventual war.

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25 minutes ago, bluerules009 said:

They shaved an estimated $2 trillion off the debt which is saving us more in interest every day when they forced the sequestration cuts.  Which of course the politicians you support have done everything to sabotage.

That alone is not bad for 25ish guys or basically about 6-7% of the members in a house of representatives

You are the very definition of hypocrite for even suggesting you think the deficit needs to be reduced.  You are the very definition of partisan with your hatred of a very small group who has had outlandish success in comparison to their power.  You can criticize all you want but politically they have had unprecedented success for such a small group.

https://www.cnn.com/2014/02/27/politics/tea-party-greatest-hits/index.html

Sorry, but your tea party is a fraud that prevented any real chance at compromise. Yeah, they affected politics like a 3-year-old toddler with a temper tantrum affects a good night out.

Look at that old ass link. Five years after that was written movement stalwarts like Ted Cruz have proven to be whores who went all-in on a terrible tax bill and are begging for crumbs from the throne of Donald Trump.

Sure, there were some true believers, but they hardly matter now. They were sold out by the party that they let co-opt them. The rest were in it just because they hate liberals.

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1 minute ago, NVGiant said:

Sorry, but your tea party is a fraud that prevented any real chance at compromise. Yeah, they affected politics like a 3-year-old toddler with a temper tantrum affects a good night out.

Look at that old ass link. Five years after that was written movement stalwarts like Ted Cruz have proven to be whores who went all-in on a terrible tax bill and are begging for crumbs from the throne of Donald Trump.

Sure, there were some true believers, but they hardly matter now. They were sold out by the party that they let co-opt them. The rest were in it just because they hate liberals.

Partisan Hypocrite.

They still have outsized power to their numbers.  You just hate them because they stand for, everything you are against.

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6 minutes ago, bluerules009 said:

Partisan Hypocrite.

They still have outsized power to their numbers.  You just hate them because they stand for, everything you are against.

Blues they proved themselves to be a pack of frauds with the last budget. Washington became more important than their values. 

Nv giant has a point too. A grand bargain would have had longer term budget benefits than the ones they'd achieved. Billion wise trillion foolish and all that

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16 minutes ago, happycamper said:

Blues they proved themselves to be a pack of frauds with the last budget. Washington became more important than their values. 

Nv giant has a point too. A grand bargain would have had longer term budget benefits than the ones they'd achieved. Billion wise trillion foolish and all that

They run on less spending, lower taxes and cut the deficit,

The tax cut fit priority two.   Exactly in line with their campaign promises.  The only frauds are you, NVGiant and every other republican and democrat who acts like they care about deficits.

 

NVGiant is a fool and hypocrite and has never made a point.  The T-Party is only 25ish guys, they didn't hold up the grand bargain, democrats did when Obama backed out of an agreed upon bill.  

The T-Party has forced the only significant spending cuts since Reagan and his were part of an over all increasing budget.

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2 hours ago, HR_Poke said:

You can jack up the tax rate all you want you are still never getting more than 18% of GDP in tax revenue. You are arguing a shell game. Significant spending cuts and entitlement reforms are the only effective solution.

I think we can get it up to 19%.  But the problem is we aren’t even collecting 18% right now.  I agree spending is a huge problem.  But we need revenues over 18% and expenditures less than 18% so we can start paying down our debts. 

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1 hour ago, bluerules009 said:

Partisan Hypocrite.

They still have outsized power to their numbers.  You just hate them because they stand for, everything you are against.

So you will not admit that they could’ve done better? Yeah, they nailed it. The tea party made a bet that if it allowed itself to be absorbed by the Republicans that it would be able to make meaningful change through it. Now it’s clear that its biggest mistake was always allowing itself to be co-opted. And their scorched earth  tactics paved the way for the POS in the White House today.

Ultimately and ironically it was the Republicans who erased the tea party’s legacy, but you still will blame me while pretending that isn’t the case. And when they voted en masse on the tax cut, with no real effort to offset those cuts, they proved themselves to be hypocrites of the highest order. 

 

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1 hour ago, happycamper said:

Blues they proved themselves to be a pack of frauds with the last budget. Washington became more important than their values. 

Nv giant has a point too. A grand bargain would have had longer term budget benefits than the ones they'd achieved. Billion wise trillion foolish and all that

Their undermining of the grand bargain is why the tea party failed.

 

1 hour ago, bluerules009 said:

They run on less spending, lower taxes and cut the deficit,

The tax cut fit priority two.   Exactly in line with their campaign promises.  The only frauds are you, NVGiant and every other republican and democrat who acts like they care about deficits.

 

NVGiant is a fool and hypocrite and has never made a point.  The T-Party is only 25ish guys, they didn't hold up the grand bargain, democrats did when Obama backed out of an agreed upon bill.  

The T-Party has forced the only significant spending cuts since Reagan and his were part of an over all increasing budget.

The tax cut undermined their first priority. You’re blind.

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Just now, NVGiant said:

So you will not admit that they could’ve done better? Yeah, they nailed it. The tea party made a bet that if it allowed itself to be absorbed by the Republicans that it would be able to make meaningful change through it. Now it’s clear that its biggest mistake was always allowing itself to be co-opted. And their scorched earth  tactics paved the way for the POS in the White House today.

Ultimately and ironically it was the Republicans who erased the tea party’s legacy, but you still will blame me while pretending that isn’t the case. And when they voted en masse on the tax cut, with no real effort to offset those cuts, they proved themselves to be hypocrites of the highest order. 

 

How could they have done better?  Obama wouldn't agree to anything that cut anything.  25ish guys in the house don't control anything.  They agreed to a deal, Obama agreed to a deal then Obama backed out.  What are they supposed to do kidnap him and force him to sign a deal?

Obama wouldn't keep promises to his base, how are they going to force him to keep a promise?

 

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2 minutes ago, NVGiant said:

Their undermining of the grand bargain is why the tea party failed.

The tea party has been a huge success.

No reasonable person can say different.

The tea party forced the only significant budget cuts in more than 5 decades.   Considering their relative size and power that is like a montana high school team beating the golden state warriors for an NBA championship.

 

3 minutes ago, NVGiant said:

 

You’re blind.

 

 

You are a complete partisan with not one honest bone in your body.

 

 

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38 minutes ago, mugtang said:

I think we can get it up to 19%.  But the problem is we aren’t even collecting 18% right now.  I agree spending is a huge problem.  But we need revenues over 18% and expenditures less than 18% so we can start paying down our debts. 

You get to 19% by growing the economy not by raising rates. You raise the rates it impacts the economy and you get less revenue. There is a reason it's been at 18% regardless of tax rate since the 50s

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15 minutes ago, bluerules009 said:

How could they have done better?  Obama wouldn't agree to anything that cut anything.  25ish guys in the house don't control anything.  They agreed to a deal, Obama agreed to a deal then Obama backed out.  What are they supposed to do kidnap him and force him to sign a deal?

Obama wouldn't keep promises to his base, how are they going to force him to keep a promise?

 

He did agree Blues. The deal was done. And the Tea Party, along with the frauds that were riding the tea party’s coattails, scuttled the grand bargain because they would never agree to tax increases and certainly wouldn’t agree to compromise with Obama.

Yes, Obama pulled some shit to maximize the deal, but it was still a step forward on the issue. But that small group of tea partiers combined with the stupid notion that the bill can’t be sent to the floor without full support of the controlling party was enough to blow it up.

why? Because the deal included some mild tax increases, and we can’t have that. We have to remain pure.

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15 minutes ago, HR_Poke said:

You get to 19% by growing the economy not by raising rates. You raise the rates it impacts the economy and you get less revenue. There is a reason it's been at 18% regardless of tax rate since the 50s

It has been over 19% a few times the last 70 years.  The fact that it’s not over 19% right now is a problem with our tax code.

 

thelawlorfaithful, on 31 Dec 2012 - 04:01 AM, said:One of the rules I live by: never underestimate a man in a dandy looking sweater

 

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18 minutes ago, NVGiant said:

He did agree Blues. The deal was done. And the Tea Party, along with the frauds that were riding the tea party’s coattails, scuttled the grand bargain because they would never agree to tax increases and certainly wouldn’t agree to compromise with Obama.

Yes, Obama pulled some shit to maximize the deal, but it was still a step forward on the issue. But that small group of tea partiers combined with the stupid notion that the bill can’t be sent to the floor without full support of the controlling party was enough to blow it up.

why? Because the deal included some mild tax increases, and we can’t have that. We have to remain pure.

He did agree.

Then he did not agree.

Again Obama couldn't keep a promise to his base, why would the tea party deal further with someone who has proven dishonesty.

Yes we all know if you don't like it you mock it.   You don't agree it is bad, despite all reality.

 

Not to mention you can't even admit that less than 7% of the house of representatives were responsible for the only significant budget cut since Reagan.   Probably the only across the board budget cut since Eisenhower.

The tea party has achieved two goals in the last decade.  A budget cut and a tax cut.  That is one more goal than Obama controlling the presidency for 8 years achieved.

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1 hour ago, mugtang said:

It has been over 19% a few times the last 70 years.  The fact that it’s not over 19% right now is a problem with our tax code.

 

Completely disagree. I'd be willing to bet the peaks over 18% are directly correlated to economic booms. Dot com boom is evident as well as the boom right after ww2 in that chart.

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31 minutes ago, HR_Poke said:

Completely disagree. I'd be willing to bet the peaks over 18% are directly correlated to economic booms. Dot com boom is evident as well as the boom right after ww2 in that chart.

And we’re in a boom right now yet we aren’t collecting over 18% 

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thelawlorfaithful, on 31 Dec 2012 - 04:01 AM, said:One of the rules I live by: never underestimate a man in a dandy looking sweater

 

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10 hours ago, pokebball said:

Do you think the Dems are willing to come to the table today and discuss cuts towards getting our fiscal house in order or will they beat the shyt out of the GOP in order to score points for the upcoming elections?

Everyone agreed Corporate tax rates had to be cut.   The problem was it was just a Trojan horse for Trump to give tax cuts to his family and friends. 

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8 hours ago, HR_Poke said:

Completely disagree. I'd be willing to bet the peaks over 18% are directly correlated to economic booms. Dot com boom is evident as well as the boom right after ww2 in that chart.

What part of a % of GDP don’t you get?  In an economic boom both the denominator and the numerator rise.   It got over 19% when Clinton raised taxes which Bush promptly slashed.

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