Mangum benched

[Pelado]

3 hours ago, #1Stunner said:

Who were you hoping they would have hired? 

 

3 hours ago, NorCalCoug said:

Ken N...  an experienced HC with a proven record.  

I was on the Lance Anderson bandwagon.  He had been leading stout defenses with some pretty impressive academic restrictions for several years.  Plus, his moving from Stanford would presumably have made it a little harder for Stanford to poach LDS players.  Might not have made any recruiting inroads into the Polynesian community, though.

[Mano]

5 hours ago, Jack Bauer said:

I think @NorCalCoug has been on that bandwagon for a while.

Nobody is blaming Mangum.  They just want a spark and this is what they're trying.  We've seen how the story ends with Mangum. Try something else.

This is blatantly false. You may not be blaming Mangum, but there are a large number of vocal fans that certainly are.

[Pelado]

5 minutes ago, Mano said:

This is blatantly false. You may not be blaming Mangum, but there are a large number of vocal fans that certainly are.

He does deserve some of the blame, but there is plenty more blame to go round.

[Mano]

3 hours ago, NorCalCoug said:

 I’m just sick of the failed experiment hires at BYU.  

 

How is Sitake any different than the Bronco hire? People may not personally like Bronco, but by any objective measure, he was successful in his run there. I never really understood why your fanbase never embraced him ( even though he was super easy to hate and mock from opposing fan bases ) given the success he had. I think fans just suffer from unrealistic expectations ( Utah's fanbase also suffers from this, as evidenced by folks calling for KWhitt's head ).

 

2 hours ago, Jack Bauer said:

I'm not sure he was offered the job.  He got a raise at Navy as well, so who knows.

This is how I think it went.

"If we make you the head coach, we aren't running option/veer at BYU.  What do you think?"

"I want to run option/veer if I am the HC."

"Thanks for coming to this interview."

Who turned down who, I don't know.  I think he's a good coach and a good guy.  I'm not sure exactly what happened, though.

I doubt they ever offered him, and if so I am sure the $ was not what he is getting at Navy. Lavell was always willing to accept less than market value, and while he was there young assistants were also willing to be there for less money because of the opportunity to learn an innovative system. BYU needs to start paying market value if they expect to get top flight coaches.

If you are unwilling to run the option, there is no reason to even talk to him. I am sure it did not excite your fanbase, because they long for the glory years and thought that Ty would deliver that ( many I talked to thought Sitake would just be Detmer's mentor, and Ty would take over after a few successful years ).

I think BYU has some limitations in recruiting that are somewhat similar to the service academies, and the option would be a way of minimizing that as it does for them, but I don't think your fans would go for it.

 

[Mano]

10 minutes ago, Pelado said:

He does deserve some of the blame, but there is plenty more blame to go round.

Sure, but QB and HC are always going to be the scapegoats. Fans in this state are passionate, but  very fickle, and are quick to throw guys under the bus.

[Staywokeprovo]

1 hour ago, #1Stunner said:

It's not too late for you to follow Zach Wilson's example, and repent.

Zach Wilson was once a prodigal son too.

Come home.

 

Not the first Boise Mormon with hot girls around. Recognize the guy with the shades?

[Guest #1Stunner]

37 minutes ago, Mano said:

 

How is Sitake any different than the Bronco hire? People may not personally like Bronco, but by any objective measure, he was successful in his run there. I never really understood why your fanbase never embraced him ( even though he was super easy to hate and mock from opposing fan bases ) given the success he had. I think fans just suffer from unrealistic expectations ( Utah's fanbase also suffers from this, as evidenced by folks calling for KWhitt's head ).

 

I doubt they ever offered him, and if so I am sure the $ was not what he is getting at Navy. Lavell was always willing to accept less than market value, and while he was there young assistants were also willing to be there for less money because of the opportunity to learn an innovative system. BYU needs to start paying market value if they expect to get top flight coaches.

If you are unwilling to run the option, there is no reason to even talk to him. I am sure it did not excite your fanbase, because they long for the glory years and thought that Ty would deliver that ( many I talked to thought Sitake would just be Detmer's mentor, and Ty would take over after a few successful years ).

I think BYU has some limitations in recruiting that are somewhat similar to the service academies, and the option would be a way of minimizing that as it does for them, but I don't think your fans would go for it.

 

Ute Fans:   "We hardly think about BYU anymore."  ^^^^    

 

Seriously, who cares what the Utes who post all over BYU threads think about the BYU coaching situation, or past BYU coaching searches.

How would the Ute Fans who post about BYU all day long know anything about how good of a head coach Sitake is anyeay, unless they have watched all of BYU's games this year...

 

 

[Guest #1Stunner]

Kalani Sitake is at the top of this list for a reason:  http://coacheshotseat.com/    He has sucked.

He landed the head coaching job at BYU.   Good for him.  Great!   Now it is put up or shut up.   That's it.   If he can't do the job, like all jobs, his butt will get fired.   Being a college football coach isn't a charity.

 

BYU is one of the largest fanbases in the West, and only has lower fan attendance than USC and UCLA.   That is a big advantage.   And that's not even counting all the Ute / USU fans that obsess about BYU, watch all of BYU's games, discuss BYU non-stop, and watch BYU media-----some of whom we see posting all over this thread (pseudo BYU fans).  Their eyeballs help.

So, if Kalani can't do the job, it's next man up.   And yes, there are quality candidates.

He knows he's got to do something, or else he will be coaching somewhere else.

[USU78]

Boogars are slimy and very weird.

[NorCalCoug]

1 hour ago, Pelado said:

 

I was on the Lance Anderson bandwagon.  He had been leading stout defenses with some pretty impressive academic restrictions for several years.  Plus, his moving from Stanford would presumably have made it a little harder for Stanford to poach LDS players.  Might not have made any recruiting inroads into the Polynesian community, though.

I actually would have preferred Anderson to Sitake.

[Guest #1Stunner]

7 minutes ago, USU78 said:

Boogars are slimy and very weird.

^^^ this clown is precisely the stereotype of a USU fan that obsesses about BYU.

I'm not sure if he's made a post about USU yet.

 

Ironically, his obsession helps.  Sort of enlarges the BYU fanbase.

[Jack Bauer]

1 hour ago, Mano said:

This is blatantly false. You may not be blaming Mangum, but there are a large number of vocal fans that certainly are.

I guess I would say there has been times when his WRs didn't help him out but I don't think he sees the field that well, and I welcome them trying someone else.  Mangum has not been a good player since his freshman year.

 

50 minutes ago, Mano said:

 

How is Sitake any different than the Bronco hire? People may not personally like Bronco, but by any objective measure, he was successful in his run there. I never really understood why your fanbase never embraced him ( even though he was super easy to hate and mock from opposing fan bases ) given the success he had. I think fans just suffer from unrealistic expectations ( Utah's fanbase also suffers from this, as evidenced by folks calling for KWhitt's head ).

 

I doubt they ever offered him, and if so I am sure the $ was not what he is getting at Navy. Lavell was always willing to accept less than market value, and while he was there young assistants were also willing to be there for less money because of the opportunity to learn an innovative system. BYU needs to start paying market value if they expect to get top flight coaches.

If you are unwilling to run the option, there is no reason to even talk to him. I am sure it did not excite your fanbase, because they long for the glory years and thought that Ty would deliver that ( many I talked to thought Sitake would just be Detmer's mentor, and Ty would take over after a few successful years ). 

I think BYU has some limitations in recruiting that are somewhat similar to the service academies, and the option would be a way of minimizing that as it does for them, but I don't think your fans would go for it. 

 

First I've ever heard that.

Bronco didn't recruit the lines well, and basically left the cupboard bare when he left.  Bronco knew what he was in for if he stuck around.  He was the guy asking for an easier schedule.  I appreciate Bronco for what he did.  He made it pretty clear he wasn't a lifer at BYU and I was ok when he moved on when he did.  I think he knew no P5 invite was coming, and he decided to cash in.  I have no knowledge if he was voluntold to leave.  I was fine with it.  Obviously it hasn't worked out.

I mean, does the option excite you?  I don't know many fans who want to watch that.  Power teams like Nebraska and Oklahoma ran it back in the day, but I don't think that's a viable offense for most teams. 

 

11 minutes ago, USU78 said:

Boogars are slimy and very weird.

You're a strange little fella, aren't you?

[NorCalCoug]

54 minutes ago, Mano said:

 

How is Sitake any different than the Bronco hire? People may not personally like Bronco, but by any objective measure, he was successful in his run there. I never really understood why your fanbase never embraced him ( even though he was super easy to hate and mock from opposing fan bases ) given the success he had. I think fans just suffer from unrealistic expectations ( Utah's fanbase also suffers from this, as evidenced by folks calling for KWhitt's head ).

Preaching to the choir.  I’m on record on this board many times over for BYU fans to be careful what they wished for regarding Bronco. 

[Guest #1Stunner]

2 minutes ago, NorCalCoug said:

I actually would have preferred Anderson to Sitake.

I do agree that Anderson has had a much more successful career than Sitake as a coordinator

(Sitake has been the DC for two mediocre P5s that haven't accomplished anything, compared to Anderson who has helped Stanford get to 3 Rose Bowls, and a Fiesta Bowl).

But...  He'd be a risk.   A lot of these P5 Coordinators can't hack it as a head coach (Dave Christensen, being an example).  

I'd rather take any guy that has been a head coach.    Or maybe Bevell.   Usually NFL assistants are much more organized.

[Guest #1Stunner]

1 minute ago, NorCalCoug said:

Preaching to the choir.  I’m on record on this board many times over for BYU fans to be careful what they wished for regarding Bronco. 

Bronco will probably be available soon enough.   I hope BYU doesn't try to re-hire him.

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[TheTedfordTrain]

2 hours ago, #1Stunner said:

^^^ Doesn't get sarcasm.

This is a BYU thread, which you claim to not care about.   

Go back to posting about your rivalry with SJSU.

 

It’s just a reaction button. No reason to reply. 

I hope you’ve prepared for the embarrassing losses ahead, Brother. You are going to run out of lame excuses for disappearing for days because of emotional instability.

[Guest #1Stunner]

3 minutes ago, TheTedfordTrain said:

It’s just a reaction button. No reason to reply. 

I hope you’ve prepared for the embarrassing losses ahead, Brother. You are going to run out of lame excuses for disappearing for days because of emotional instability.

Fresno is in first place in the MWC....yet no one on here apparently cares.  Are Fresno games televised?

No discussion about Fresno.

Feel left out?    Maybe try starting a thread bashing SJSU?  

[TheTedfordTrain]

13 minutes ago, #1Stunner said:

Fresno is in first place in the MWC....yet no one on here apparently cares.  Are Fresno games televised?

No discussion about Fresno.

Feel left out?    Maybe try starting a thread bashing SJSU?  

Satan is spoken about quite a bit. Yet, I’d never wish to trade places with him. 

[NorCalCoug]

3 hours ago, TheTedfordTrain said:

Satan is spoken about quite a bit. Yet, I’d never wish to trade places with him. 

Not sure he’d be willing to swap Hell for Fresno either...  win/win!

[TheTedfordTrain]

27 minutes ago, NorCalCoug said:

Not sure he’d be willing to swap Hell for Fresno either...  win/win!

Oh, yeah. If he could only swap with Provo, Utah. What a desirable location. 2% beer, rampant opioid abuse, and suburban house moms popping pills like candy. What an oasis.