Fire Sanchez

[renoskier]

2 minutes ago, Rebels2k3 said:

He knew who was writing his paycheck...academic independence is no longer a thing.

Or maybe many economist don't often agree?

The bottom line is that these are OPINIONS and we won't know whether or not this was a good or bad deal for many years.

[slappy]

2 hours ago, Rosegreen said:

He’s not going back to HS, there’s nothing for him to accomplish there. It’s either SDSU staff (they love crappy UNLV HCs) , another job at FCS, Division 2 etc. 

I am guessing he is out of college coaching.  But we will see.   Poor guy was over matched from the get.   Tough spot to try and learn the game of football.  

[machaqr]

28 minutes ago, slappy said:

I am guessing he is out of college coaching.  But we will see.   Poor guy was over matched from the get.   Tough spot to try and learn the game of football.  

I truly believe he had the right attitude and right mindset throughout his tenure. He has fire and passion for the school, which is something UNLV has been lacking for quite a while.

However, he just doesn't seem to have the coaching ability to back it up. Quite frankly, it’s his lack of experience coaching at a high level, which is why you just don't see the HS to college transitions go well.

[UNLV2001]

To this LV Stadium debate............the original reason LV is even getting a stadium of this scope & scale is.

Venetian Casino owner Sheldon Adelson has been at war with the LVCVA & Convention Center for years..........and when the LV Convention Center (LVCC) was looking at funding for their massive expansion..........Adelson stepped into the mix & courted the Raiders & the new stadium as an alternative to the LVCC expansion project which he hates because he has his own Sands Convention Center.............so to throw a wrench in the LVCC project, Adelson got in the middle of the Raiders to LV & stadium funding, special legislative session in his attempt to divert public funding (room tax) from the LVCC to the new stadium..........once he saw that his efforts failed to stop the LVCC project, Adelson pulled out of his % funding of any portion of the stadium.

Sheldon Adelson pulls out of Raiders' stadium deal in Las Vegas

https://money.cnn.com/2017/01/31/news/raiders-sheldon-adelson-las-vegas/index.html

The Raiders will have to get $650 million from someone else, because Sheldon Adelson is out.

The billionaire casino mogul had pledged that money to help the team relocate and build a stadium in Las Vegas. But Adelson pulled his money, saying he was blindsided by the leasing proposal that the Raiders submitted last week, which he had not been informed about.

As one of three backers, Adelson would have been one of the parties leasing the stadium to the Raiders.

"The Oakland Raiders came before the Las Vegas Stadium Authority last week with a proposed lease agreement that has sent shockwaves through our community," Adelson said in a statement. "It was certainly shocking to the Adelson family. We were not only excluded from the proposed agreement; we weren't even aware of its existence."

The terms of the deal would give the Raiders naming rights, allow them to pay $1 in annual rent and let them control the schedule of the UNLV football team, which will also use the stadium.

Adelson, who owns Las Vegas Sands Corporation, said he was "discouraged" and "deeply disappointed for the disregard" the team showed him.

"It's clear the Raiders have decided their path for moving to Las Vegas does not include the Adelson family," the statement said. "So, regrettably, we will no longer be involved in any facet of the stadium discussion."

The Las Vegas stadium, set to open in 2020, will cost about $1.9 billion. Nevada has allocated $750 million in taxpayer funds and team owner Mark Davis has pledged $500 million.

Now that Adelson is out, the team will need to find a new backer.

 

[4UNLV]

56 minutes ago, Rebels2k3 said:

An objective economist vs right-wing fans and politicians who want to cut favorable deals for a NFL team? Hmm...I wonder who I will believe.

Keep thinking more events and shows for mega resorts and stadiums will somehow bring economic benefits to Las Vegas that will be even near negligible, but delusions of grandeur aren't good.

Apparently the LVCVA thinks it will. And I would trust them more than an economist from Oakland. 

[renoskier]

1 hour ago, Rebels2k3 said:

An objective economist vs right-wing fans and politicians who want to cut favorable deals for a NFL team? Hmm...I wonder who I will believe.

Keep thinking more events and shows for mega resorts and stadiums will somehow bring economic benefits to Las Vegas that will be even near negligible, but delusions of grandeur aren't good.

Umm...the stadium proposal received pretty wide bi-partisan support.

From wikipedia:

On October 11, 2016, the Nevada Senate voted 16–5 to approve the funding bill for the Las Vegas stadium proposal. The Nevada Assembly voted 28–13 three days later to approve the bill to fund the new Las Vegas stadium proposal; two days later, Governor Brian Sandoval signed the funding bill into law.

[Rosegreen]

38 minutes ago, slappy said:

I am guessing he is out of college coaching.  But we will see.   Poor guy was over matched from the get.   Tough spot to try and learn the game of football.  

I don’t see that happening. Most former HC’s went on to something else. Even Jeff Horton, probably the worst HC at UNLV in terms of W-L  went to coach at P5 schools and the NFL. Right now he’s associate HC at SDSU. 

[Rebels2k3]

30 minutes ago, renoskier said:

Umm...the stadium proposal received pretty wide bi-partisan support.

From wikipedia:

On October 11, 2016, the Nevada Senate voted 16–5 to approve the funding bill for the Las Vegas stadium proposal. The Nevada Assembly voted 28–13 three days later to approve the bill to fund the new Las Vegas stadium proposal; two days later, Governor Brian Sandoval signed the funding bill into law.

Democrats and Republicans are two sides of the same coin. The show protests by the "union" basically controlled by Mark Davis intimidated a lot of folks into voting yes.

[slappy]

19 minutes ago, Rosegreen said:

I don’t see that happening. Most former HC’s went on to something else. Even Jeff Horton, probably the worst HC at UNLV in terms of W-L  went to coach at P5 schools and the NFL. Right now he’s associate HC at SDSU. 

Yeah but most these guys have worked their ways up and through some sort of network system.  He does not have that   

What position would you let him coach?  Honestly?   Video coordinator.  Travel coordinator. I could see that.  

[renoskier]

8 minutes ago, Rebels2k3 said:

Democrats and Republicans are two sides of the same coin. The show protests by the "union" basically controlled by Mark Davis intimidated a lot of folks into voting yes.

Sorry, but this just really sounds like conspiracy bullshit. Mark Davis controls the "union"?

 

I understand if you're philosophically opposed to using any public funding for private works projects but five years from now, how will you objectively judge whether or not this was a "good" deal for Las Vegas?

[slappy]

6 minutes ago, renoskier said:

Mark Davis controls the "union"?

Raiders control the mob.  Always have.  You remember old Al sitting in a dark room with his white leisure suit on smoking a cigar.  It is obvious. 

[Rosegreen]

16 minutes ago, slappy said:

Yeah but most these guys have worked their ways up and through some sort of network system.  He does not have that   

What position would you let him coach?  Honestly?   Video coordinator.  Travel coordinator. I could see that.  

He’s more connected than you say. 

Probably hire him as a running backs coach. The coaching fraternity is small, which is why a guy like Locksley is still around, hes even a HC at Maryland. 

[Rebels2k3]

22 minutes ago, renoskier said:

Sorry, but this just really sounds like conspiracy bullshit. Mark Davis controls the "union"?

 

I understand if you're philosophically opposed to using any public funding for private works projects but five years from now, how will you objectively judge whether or not this was a "good" deal for Las Vegas?

It was obvious the union doing protests in the state legislature was doing the bidding of the Oakland Raiders. Corporate influence over certain unions is no conspiracy.

[renoskier]

20 minutes ago, Rebels2k3 said:

It was obvious the union doing protests in the state legislature was doing the bidding of the Oakland Raiders. Corporate influence over certain unions is no conspiracy.

So, what are you saying? Are you upset because the Democrat's voted to support their constituents? 

Were you there protesting against the funding bill?

[NevadaFan]

2 hours ago, renoskier said:

Or maybe many economist don't often agree?

The bottom line is that these are OPINIONS and we won't know whether or not this was a good or bad deal for many years.

I don’t want to get into this but renoskier answer me one question: If stadiums are such good investments why isn’t private equity pouring into their development?

The sole purpose of that stadium is for the Raiders to fund the operations of its franchise. And if it can do that than Davis gets to keep more/all of the tv revenue for himself. He sure as hell doesn’t have to worry about paying off a football stadium because he’s not stupid enough to put himself in that situation. 

[renoskier]

1 minute ago, NevadaFan said:

I don’t want to get into this but renoskier answer me one question: If stadiums are such good investments why isn’t private equity pouring into their development?

The sole purpose of that stadium is for the Raiders to fund the operations of its franchise. And if it can do that than Davis gets to keep more/all of the tv revenue for himself. He sure as hell doesn’t have to worry about paying off a football stadium because he’s not stupid enough to put himself in that situation. 

If they can build them with "other people's" money, and they obviously can, they are an even better investment.

I understand and empathize with the philosophical argument. I'm just trying to be pragmatic, I don't like the Raiders and I'm not really a big fan of Las Vegas so I honestly didn't care one way or the other. What I'm debating is the simple fact that this funding bill was approved overwhelmingly by a large bi-partisan majority. And we won't know whether or not the residents of Nevada have been "scammed" for many years. IMO, if the entire $750 billion is paid back from the additional room tax revenue, I will consider the deal a "win" for the state of Nevada.

[quickdraw]

Come’on man!

[SDSUfan]

3 hours ago, renoskier said:

Or maybe many economist don't often agree?

The bottom line is that these are OPINIONS and we won't know whether or not this was a good or bad deal for many years.

If they were GOOD deals, NFL owners would build them themselves.  They're not.  That should tell you something.

[NevadaFan]

1 hour ago, renoskier said:

If they can build them with "other people's" money, and they obviously can, they are an even better investment.

I understand and empathize with the philosophical argument. I'm just trying to be pragmatic, I don't like the Raiders and I'm not really a big fan of Las Vegas so I honestly didn't care one way or the other. What I'm debating is the simple fact that this funding bill was approved overwhelmingly by a large bi-partisan majority. And we won't know whether or not the residents of Nevada have been "scammed" for many years. IMO, if the entire $750 billion is paid back from the additional room tax revenue, I will consider the deal a "win" for the state of Nevada.

Las Vegas bought a stadium it will have to fund into perpetuity OR until it pays to have it razed. There is NO way it will ever “pay” for itself outright. To make it pencil you have to get creative and that’s why it’s hard to get a loan to build one. Hell, Oakland is still $40M? in debt. How much does San Diego going to fork over to clean up after the Chargers left? 

Look. I get it. The Raiders are in Vegas and the Rebels have a new home. That’s exciting. It will be fun to see how it plays out. 

[Rebels18]

34 minutes ago, NevadaFan said:

Las Vegas bought a stadium it will have to fund into perpetuity OR until it pays to have it razed. There is NO way it will ever “pay” for itself outright. To make it pencil you have to get creative and that’s why it’s hard to get a loan to build one. Hell, Oakland is still $40M? in debt. How much does San Diego going to fork over to clean up after the Chargers left? 

Look. I get it. The Raiders are in Vegas and the Rebels have a new home. That’s exciting. It will be fun to see how it plays out. 

Are Oakland or San Diego's stadiums domed, state-of-the-art venues that could host 50+ major events such as concerts, music festivals, Final Four, Super Bowl, Las Vegas Bowl, Pac-12 Championship, Pro-Bowl, E-Sports, etc per year on the Strip? Nope, they're closed on every day except game-day. That's the fundamental difference between Allegiant Stadium and pretty much every other stadium in the country. Promoters are lining up to cash in on stadium events.

T-Mobile Arena is the largest revenue grossing arena in the world...do you think it would still hold that title if it was built in Oakland or anywhere else that's not LA or New York? Allegiant Stadium will be the largest revenue grossing stadium in the world.