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4 hours ago, bluerules009 said:

We could go all the way back to Wilson getting us into WWI, FDR forcing us into WWII, Truman getting us into Korea and Eisenhower, Kennedy and Johnson getting us into Vietnam.

 

I have no problem with the deuce.  It's arguably the only foreign war we've been involved in that was fully justified and in which our enemy was truly and unequivocally evil.

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20 minutes ago, Victor Maitlin said:

I have no problem with the deuce.  It's arguably the only foreign war we've been involved in that was fully justified and in which our enemy was truly and unequivocally evil.

Was it worth losing 250K lives and many more wounded and crippled to enter a war we had no national interest?

If we don't embargo japan they never attack us.  The Nazis had 0 ability to get to us.

We should have just sold arms to both sides and profited from the thing.

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1 hour ago, jackmormon said:

For starters, we got into WWII because Germany declared war on us.

Actually stupid we got into WWII because we embargoed Japans oil supply and forced that commonly known attack on Pearl Harbor.  If you weren't an out and out racist you wouldn't forget about Asia being a part of WWII.

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1 hour ago, bluerules009 said:

Actually stupid we got into WWII because we embargoed Japans oil supply and forced that commonly known attack on Pearl Harbor.  If you weren't an out and out racist you wouldn't forget about Asia being a part of WWII.

Yes and given Japan’s actions in Manchuria and Korea that regime was hardly less reprehensible.  Lots of wars we had no business getting involved in.  WW2 was not one of them. 

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2 hours ago, bluerules009 said:

Was it worth losing 250K lives and many more wounded and crippled to enter a war we had no national interest?

If we don't embargo japan they never attack us.  The Nazis had 0 ability to get to us.

We should have just sold arms to both sides and profited from the thing.

yeah the Japanese in the 1930's into the 40's  and were oppressed by the US--  the militaristic and expansionist Japanese government  as the international  "victim " is a new one!

Nazi Germany unilaterally declared war on the US on Dec, 8 1941.

Wow it must be very  lonely out where you live!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_Massacre

 

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15 minutes ago, Lester_in_reno said:

yeah the Japanese in the 1930's into the 40's  and were oppressed by the US--  the militaristic and expansionist Japanese government  as the international  "victim " is a new one!

Nazi Germany unilaterally declared war on the US on Dec, 8 1941.

Wow it must be very  lonely out where you live!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_Massacre

 

We declared war on Germany's ally so they stupidly declared war on us.  Not that they could do a damn thing to us anyway.

 

Lots of evil people, we would be at war everywhere if evil was the standard.  

Just a couple places far worse than Nanking that we never even considered becoming part of.  Including our firebombing of Tokyo our nuclear bombs, the firebombing of dresden and we can go on and on with American atrocities.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwandan_genocide

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pol_Pot

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12 minutes ago, bluerules009 said:

We declared war on Germany's ally so they stupidly declared war on us.  Not that they could do a damn thing to us anyway.

 

Lots of evil people, we would be at war everywhere if evil was the standard.  

Just a couple places far worse than Nanking that we never even considered becoming part of.  Including our firebombing of Tokyo our nuclear bombs, the firebombing of dresden and we can go on and on with American atrocities.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwandan_genocide

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pol_Pot

OK so you shifted your premise and "argument"  base.

 

we should not have fought because... "well there's lots of bad people out there, so why stir it up"

Nice job.

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20 minutes ago, Lester_in_reno said:

OK so you shifted your premise and "argument"  base.

 

we should not have fought because... "well there's lots of bad people out there, so why stir it up"

Nice job.

No I just challenged your argument that they were bad people so we should fight them.  Lots of bad people, including those who firebombed Tokyo, Dresden etc... and nuked japan. 

We had no reason to fuck with Japan or Germany.  Neither were threats to us.  We started the war by embargoing oil to Japan.  They were days from running out of energy.  What do you think the U.S. would do if we were days from turning the lights off?

FDR killed 250K americans for no defensible reason other than he was a Englandophile.

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12 hours ago, bluerules009 said:

Was it worth losing 250K lives and many more wounded and crippled to enter a war we had no national interest?

If we don't embargo japan they never attack us.  The Nazis had 0 ability to get to us.

We should have just sold arms to both sides and profited from the thing.

Perhaps not in 1941, but they were developing long range bombers that could have reached the Eastern seaboard by the end of the war.  And if they'd managed to conquer Europe and Heisenberg developed an atomic bomb everything about their driving philosophy said that it was their destiny to come over here and wipe out our large Jewish population.

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November 24th, 2018 at 9:10 PM ^

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13 hours ago, bluerules009 said:

Was it worth losing 250K lives and many more wounded and crippled to enter a war we had no national interest?

If we don't embargo japan they never attack us.  The Nazis had 0 ability to get to us.

We should have just sold arms to both sides and profited from the thing.

Yes. We had massive national interest. 

If we embargo Japan absolutely attacks us. We still held the Philliphines, still traded with China, still held Hawaii. We just didn't sell them goods for them to attack us.

Selling arms to both sides would have meant we were communist at the end of the war Blues. 

Also, the nazis had 0 ability to get to us? We got to them, numbnuts. We didn't have a monopoly on ocean going warfare. 

Remember that every argument you have with someone on MWCboard is actually the continuation of a different argument they had with someone else also on MWCboard. 

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4 hours ago, happycamper said:

 

 

 

Yes. We had massive national interest. 

None at all as your list of national interests shows.

4 hours ago, happycamper said:

 

If we embargo Japan absolutely attacks us. We still held the Philliphines, still traded with China, still held Hawaii. We just didn't sell them goods for them to attack us.

 

Our embargo of Japan caused the war and the Philippines were never in danger until we cut off Japanese energy imports.   They only attacked us as a last resort.   

We could trade with China, Japan or anyone our choice.   Our embargo policies did more to limit trade than the Japanese.

4 hours ago, happycamper said:

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Selling arms to both sides would have meant we were communist at the end of the war Blues. 

 

How do you figure?

Some kind of delusion you are creating in your recently illogical mind.  The Soviets would have loved us for helping them.  Plus after FDR our government was communist in so many of its functions.  The biggest problems we have today are because of communist policies in our government.

4 hours ago, happycamper said:

 

Also, the nazis had 0 ability to get to us? We got to them, numbnuts. We didn't have a monopoly on ocean going warfare. 

We got to them because we had England to stage an invasion from.   Even then it took 3 years of planning and preparation go get across a 20 mile channel.

The Nazis would have been defeated without us ever entering the war.  The Soviets did that on their own, our D-day invasion and all the Americans that died was nothing more than a waste.  The Soviets had already defeated Germany it was just a matter of time..   Not only would the Nazis never have invaded the U.S. they would have been conquered by 1946.

 

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5 hours ago, Victor Maitlin said:

Perhaps not in 1941, but they were developing long range bombers that could have reached the Eastern seaboard by the end of the war.  And if they'd managed to conquer Europe and Heisenberg developed an atomic bomb everything about their driving philosophy said that it was their destiny to come over here and wipe out our large Jewish population.

The Nazis would have lost to the Soviets by 1946.  Americans died at Normandy for nothing, certainly not to defeat Nazis as they were already beat.

We forced a war with Japan to get us into the euro war and kill 250K Americans not to mention the wounded.   For nothing.

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Just now, bluerules009 said:

The Nazis would have lost to the Soviets by 1946.  Americans died at Normandy for nothing, certainly not to defeat Nazis as they were already beat.

We forced a war with Japan to get us into the euro war and kill 250K Americans not to mention the wounded.   For nothing.

If the Nazi's weren't force to fight on multiple fronts, due to US involvement, they almost certainly had the resources to repel a Soviet invasion.

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3 minutes ago, jackmormon said:

If the Nazi's weren't force to fight on multiple fronts, due to US involvement, they almost certainly had the resources to repel a Soviet invasion.

They had lost to the Soviets before their were multiple fronts.   The battle of Kursk in 1943 was effectively the end point for Nazi aggression.

Get an education moron.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kursk

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