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Poll reveals dems prefer socialism over capitalism.

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17 minutes ago, UNLV2001 said:

One party missing is the Nazi party which some trump supports have moved to 

And what party is Vladimir Putin? That party could make inroads by signing up trump fans under this banner Partia logo new.svg The Rodina party 

Wouldn't that be the socialist nazi party?

I'm just waiting for you guys to adopt a new flag and find your own Pol Pot to lead your group of brainiacs.

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1 minute ago, Aslowhiteguy said:

Wouldn't that be the socialist nazi party?

I'm just waiting for you guys to adopt a new flag and find your own Pol Pot to lead your group of brainiacs.

Since Putin is worth billions, i doubt he's socialist or communist anymore - right wingers must be so confused these days over what they support :shrug:

Just a few years ago Russia was public enemy number 1 in right wing world, now Putin & Russia are besties with right wingers and that damned Canada is the enemy !!! :pitchforks:

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https://finance.yahoo.com/news/political-parties-rejecting-capitalism-145632855.html

Meanwhile, Trump is quite unfriendly to companies that fail his loyalty test, even when they’re making shrewd business decisions. His latest blackball target is motorcycle maker Harley-Davidson, which he is encouraging bikers to boycott, because Harley is moving export production out of the country. Harley is doing that to avoid the tariff war Trump started with Europe, but instead of fixing the bad policy forcing Harley to make a tough decision, Trump is just causing more damage. If you work for Harley and declining sales cost you your job, thank Trump.

 

Harley joins Amazon, Boeing, General Motors, Toyota, several drugmakers and a bunch of media companies on Trump’s enemies list. And his Justice Department is desperately trying to undo the AT&T-Time Warner merger even though a federal judge declared it fine and most antitrust experts say it won’t cause any consumer harm. The arm of government doesn’t get much longer.

Trump has pals in the steel and aluminum industries, so he imposed tariffs allowing them to raise prices. But he’s penalizing every business and consumer who must now pay more for those metals. He’s also punishing American farmers and other exporters, who are losing access to foreign markets because of retaliatory tariffs imposed by Europe and at least eight other nations. Some Republicans grouse, but nobody does anything, effectively endorsing Trump’s Ministry of Meddling.

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22 minutes ago, UNLV2001 said:

Since Putin is worth billions, i doubt he's socialist or communist anymore - right wingers must be so confused these days over what they support :shrug:

Just a few years ago Russia was public enemy number 1 in right wing world, now Putin & Russia are besties with right wingers and that damned Canada is the enemy !!! :pitchforks:

 And not long ago Obama and his minions laughed at the very suggestion that Russia was even a threat.

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Aslowhiteguy said:

 And not long ago Obama and his minions laughed at the very suggestion that Russia was even a threat.

 

 

True, but dems didn't suddenly flock to being pro-Russia like the right winger have - right wingers have done a 180 on Russia inside 24 months 

Enjoy your borscht !! :rock:

 

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Translation using alsowhiteguyism: Many Democrats prefer Lucifer over God Almighty!

Frankly, opinions about our economic system are as polarized as those about social issues and damn near everything else. In neither case is it healthy for the country. Pretty similar to the 1850s and that kind of bullshit was put to rest only through a civil war in which hundreds of thousands were killed and many times that number were mutilated. Is that what the country needs again?

Boom goes the dynamite.

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4 hours ago, SleepingGiantsFan said:

Translation using alsowhiteguyism: Many Democrats prefer Lucifer over God Almighty!

Frankly, opinions about our economic system are as polarized as those about social issues and damn near everything else. In neither case is it healthy for the country. Pretty similar to the 1850s and that kind of bullshit was put to rest only through a civil war in which hundreds of thousands were killed and many times that number were mutilated. Is that what the country needs again?

It isn't an opinion that we are a socialist country, it is plain as day obvious fact.

The U.S. is a socialist country, sectors of the economy like transportation, defense, medical care, basic research, education, housing, and city and county utilities like sewer and water services and much more, are highly socialized.

Since FDR this country has changed its economy massively by not only socializing a big portion of the economy but highly regulating business.   Now I support many of the ideals if not the exact policies.  I support a basic system of welfare for retirees, I just think a ponzi scheme like social security is not the way to do it as there are many proven better models.  I support the clean water and clean air acts even though the regulation is really tough on certain industries.  

 

The problem is people like you and @Boise fan either don't know what the word "socialism", means, or you are so embarrassed you like socialist policies and hate the word that you act like it doesn't mean anything.

Republicans and Democrats are both parties of socialism.

You are a socialist, learn to love yourself.

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17 minutes ago, bluerules009 said:

It isn't an opinion that we are a socialist country, it is plain as day obvious fact.

The U.S. is a socialist country, sectors of the economy like transportation, defense, medical care, basic research, education, housing, and city and county utilities like sewer and water services and much more, are highly socialized.

Since FDR this country has changed its economy massively by not only socializing a big portion of the economy but highly regulating business.   Now I support many of the ideals if not the exact policies.  I support a basic system of welfare for retirees, I just think a ponzi scheme like social security is not the way to do it as there are many proven better models.  I support the clean water and clean air acts even though the regulation is really tough on certain industries.  

 

The problem is people like you and @Boise fan either don't know what the word "socialism", means, or you are so embarrassed you like socialist policies and hate the word that you act like it doesn't mean anything.

Republicans and Democrats are both parties of socialism.

You are a socialist, learn to love yourself.

Go pick up a dictionary.  You have been conditioned to believe bullshit because you've been conned.  Guess by who?  Your buddies, the cons. 

I've already posted a shit ton of links that explain that social programs aren't socialism, that Europe isn't socialist, and that even what Bernie Sanders crows about actually isn't socialism.

I can't help it if you and other cons are too stupid to understand your mother tongue.

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15 hours ago, Boise fan said:

God you're dense. 

I very much understand that you were telling the OP he/she should get his news from less biased sources. That is a fair point but when the less biased sources are reporting the same thing, isn't that a moot point for this particular issue? You also seemed very dismissive of the Gallup poll overall, but I may have misunderstood. That might be my denseness sneaking in again. 

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2 minutes ago, madmartigan said:

I very much understand that you were telling the OP he/she should get his news from less biased sources. That is a fair point but when the less biased sources are reporting the same thing, isn't that a moot point for this particular issue? You also seemed very dismissive of the Gallup poll overall, but I may have misunderstood. That might be my denseness sneaking in again. 

Actually I addressed the Gallup poll.

My comment on his choice of news was separate.  Though I also observed that he probably wouldn't have known about the Gallop poll if it weren't being broadcast by Hatred News.

It's all there in my post.

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On 8/13/2018 at 11:11 PM, halfmanhalfbronco said:

 

https://news.gallup.com/poll/240725/democrats-positive-socialism-capitalism.aspx

I found this interesting.  

"For the first time in Gallup's measurement over the past decade, Democrats have a more positive image of socialism than they do of capitalism. Attitudes toward socialism among Democrats have not changed materially since 2010, with 57% today having a positive view. The major change among Democrats has been a less upbeat attitude toward capitalism, dropping to 47% positive this year -- lower than in any of the three previous measures. Republicans remain much more positive about capitalism than about socialism, with little sustained change in their views of either since 2010."

 

I think this is largely based on the increasing perception that capitalism in the U.S. is not a level playing field but instead is a rigged game and because of the increasing income gap between those at the top and those at the bottom. 

Essentially the divide from those at the top and those at the bottom has been growing for decades now, but it's gotten more extreme over the last couple of decades by leaps and bounds. 

Real capitalism is one of the greatest discoveries in human history. It's increased the standard of living overall across the world in many places. But crony capitalism is another thing entirely.

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1 hour ago, nocoolnamejim said:

I think this is largely based on the increasing perception that capitalism in the U.S. is not a level playing field but instead is a rigged game and because of the increasing income gap between those at the top and those at the bottom. 

Essentially the divide from those at the top and those at the bottom has been growing for decades now, but it's gotten more extreme over the last couple of decades by leaps and bounds. 

Real capitalism is one of the greatest discoveries in human history. It's increased the standard of living overall across the world in many places. But crony capitalism is another thing entirely.

So here is the problem with your premise.

Joe idiot lives pay check to pay check.  He will never ever save a dime or invest a nickel in anything other than an after work Budweiser.  So his net worth will always hover a couple of six packs above $0.   No amount of capitalism can change that.

Nicole Trustfundbaby is from a long line of savers.  Her dad invested, her granddad invested and her great grandma invested.   She has been making 10% on her money for so long she can't spend it all and it just grows and grows and grows. 

 

Combining inflation and time Joe will always lag behind Nicole.  The difference will always be greater than it was in the past because Joe has never left the starting line.  In fact with his use of credit he has went backwards.

 

Now you explain to my why that is Nicole's fault or a problem with capitalism?

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1 minute ago, bluerules009 said:

So here is the problem with your premise.

Joe idiot lives pay check to pay check.  He will never ever save a dime or invest a nickel in anything other than an after work Budweiser.  So his net worth will always hover a couple of six packs above $0.   No amount of capitalism can change that.

Nicole Trustfundbaby is from a long line of savers.  Her dad invested, her granddad invested and her great grandma invested.   She has been making 10% on her money for so long she can't spend it all and it just grows and grows and grows. 

 

Combining inflation and time Joe will always lag behind Nicole.  The difference will always be greater than it was in the past because Joe has never left the starting line.  In fact with his use of credit he has went backwards.

 

Now you explain to my why that is Nicole's fault or a problem with capitalism?

Neither. But how they (and their ancestors) got there matters. When I talk about crony capitalism, I am not referring to either of those example individuals. I'm talking about the fact that the rich have far more influence and power among the decision makers of our country than the poor.

Nicole Trustfundbaby's daddy likely can afford to heavily donate to influence lawmakers. Heck, daddy is probably on a first name basis with several. 

The Citizen's United Supreme Court decision basically legalized influence peddling. Our politics were already slanted towards the rich before that, but unlimited amounts of Super PAC money has basically transformed our politics to the point where politicians on both sides of the aisle can basically be bought and sold at will. Big banks, social media titans, etc. are on the verge of basically writing the laws that govern their companies themselves.

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On 8/14/2018 at 12:20 PM, UNLV2001 said:

Since Putin is worth billions, i doubt he's socialist or communist anymore - right wingers must be so confused these days over what they support :shrug:

Just a few years ago Russia was public enemy number 1 in right wing world, now Putin & Russia are besties with right wingers and that damned Canada is the enemy !!! 

Oh horseshit.  Mitt Romney said Russia was a huge threat and Obama poo poohed his claim.   That worked out pretty good.

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10 minutes ago, bluerules009 said:

So here is the problem with your premise.

Joe idiot lives pay check to pay check.  He will never ever save a dime or invest a nickel in anything other than an after work Budweiser.  So his net worth will always hover a couple of six packs above $0.   No amount of capitalism can change that.

Nicole Trustfundbaby is from a long line of savers.  Her dad invested, her granddad invested and her great grandma invested.   She has been making 10% on her money for so long she can't spend it all and it just grows and grows and grows. 

 

Combining inflation and time Joe will always lag behind Nicole.  The difference will always be greater than it was in the past because Joe has never left the starting line.  In fact with his use of credit he has went backwards.

 

Now you explain to my why that is Nicole's fault or a problem with capitalism?

I think you're arguing the same thing. There's the free market, which both tends to reward behaviors you describe, but also tends to raise all boats so Joe Idiot ends up retiring a millionaire anyway because he bought a house in 1972 and it appreciated (also, he's been seeing raises his whole life). Then there's crony capitalism, where those with money use their money to influence how laws are made to make more money. They aren't doing it by capitalism; they're doing it by using government influence to favor them, or even to outright get jobs or contracts that are valuable from the feds. Those are 2 different economies. 

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4 minutes ago, Jack Bauer said:

Oh horseshit.  Mitt Romney said Russia was a huge threat and Obama poo poohed his claim.   That worked out pretty good.

No chit sherlock - and back then righties tought Russia was a big threat, 5 years later the righties are all big Putin / Russian fans 

Read along and you won't be so confused jumping in and out ! 

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6 minutes ago, Jack Bauer said:

Oh horseshit.  Mitt Romney said Russia was a huge threat and Obama poo poohed his claim.   That worked out pretty good.

Yep. This is one where Romney was right and Obama ended up being wrong.

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