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$378,000 raised. Why yes, he did bump the goal up to a half million, thanks for asking. It’s important that he keeps up with McCabe s $550,000.

Can I be fired from the FBI please?

We’re all sitting in the dugout. Thinking we should pitch. How you gonna throw a shutout when all you do is bitch.

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44 minutes ago, thelawlorfaithful said:

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Oh I have no doubt you think yourself so superior.  And I bet you don't realize just how bad an optic that actually is.  

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19 minutes ago, Boise fan said:

Oh I have no doubt you think yourself so superior.  And I bet you don't realize just how bad an optic that actually is.  

Oh lord, is this the day when Boise Fan lectures me about humility? Has it really arrived?

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9 hours ago, thelawlorfaithful said:

Oh lord, is this the day when Boise Fan lectures me about humility? Has it really arrived?

 :lol: Gawd you're predictable. Thanks for proving my point. 

 

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15 hours ago, thelawlorfaithful said:

$378,000 raised. Why yes, he did bump the goal up to a half million, thanks for asking. It’s important that he keeps up with McCabe s $550,000.

Can I be fired from the FBI please?

I don't think he's the one that's running the GoFundMe, and it's supposed to go into a trust for legal fees. That being said, I don't understand why people have raised so much money his legal bills either. 

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8 minutes ago, retrofade said:

I don't think he's the one that's running the GoFundMe, and it's supposed to go into a trust for legal fees. That being said, I don't understand why people have raised so much money his legal bills either. 

What legal fees? He hasn’t been charged with anything that I’ve seen. If not doing your job is now a crime in America, the mwcboard is screwed.

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1 minute ago, thelawlorfaithful said:

What legal fees? He hasn’t been charged with anything that I’ve seen. If not doing your job is now a crime in America, the mwcboard is screwed.

I honestly couldn't tell you... I'm just going off of what the GoFundMe says. Some of the articles about his firing have quotes from his lawyer about his firing not following established procedure, but that's the only reference to legal representation that I've seen.

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11 minutes ago, thelawlorfaithful said:

What legal fees? He hasn’t been charged with anything that I’ve seen. If not doing your job is now a crime in America, the mwcboard is screwed.

Hey! He's a long-time member of law enforcement and that in and of itself makes him a "hero," doesn't it? If so, he's entitled to handouts based strictly on the assumption that he might have problems in the future, isn't he?

 

By way of explanation, I tend to support safety personnel and particularly in this moment as a Californian, firefighters. However, true "heroes" are like the Korean war veteran Marine who was honored last night at Dodger Stadium who because of his many decorations for valor was given a several minute standing ovation. However, many people in law enforcement, the military and fire suppression are far from what I or anybody else thinking clearly would consider to be a hero.

Boom goes the dynamite.

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2 minutes ago, SleepingGiantsFan said:

Hey! He's a long-time member of law enforcement and that in and of itself makes him a "hero," doesn't it? If so, he's entitled to handouts based strictly on the assumption that he might have problems in the future, isn't he?

 

By way of explanation, I tend to support "peace officers" and particularly in this moment as a Californian, firefighters. However, true "heroes" are like the Korean war veteran Marine who was honored last night at Dodger Stadium. Many people in law enforcement, the military and fire suppression are far from what I consider to be a hero.

I don’t think I’m part of the law and order right that your barbs are meant to cut.

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1 hour ago, thelawlorfaithful said:

I don’t think I’m part of the law and order right that your barbs are meant to cut.

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I didn't mean to imply that. I encounter cops frequently in my consulting work and find it annoying how often the self-serving term "heroes" is applied to them.

Or is sometimes removed from them. Like the Marine who, while on leave from his job as a cop, was awarded the Navy Cross for storming a Taliban machine gun nest and killing the inhabitants to save eight of his pinned-down peers but upon returning to the states was accused of having improperly placed his hands on a 16-year-old HS girl and then stalking her after being dispatched to rescue her from a tagger crew which had surrounded the girl while making lude comments about her skimpy attire.

Boom goes the dynamite.

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2 hours ago, thelawlorfaithful said:

What legal fees? He hasn’t been charged with anything that I’ve seen. If not doing your job is now a crime in America, the mwcboard is screwed.

Everyone who testifies before congress needs a lawyer and would be stupid not to have one.

There are probably dozens of people Mueller has subpoenaed that have spent their life savings on lawyers because they dared to volunteer for Trumps campaign.   No one cares about those people being ruined financially.   

I don't feel bad at all that a politically active individual like Peter Strzok might get caught up in a political prosecution.  After all he has been doing it to others for his own gain for decades.

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it's my understanding that strzok took part in 2 investigations that are relevant and salient to whether or not he was unjustly animated by personal opinion in favor of or against trump

one was of hillary and emails and private servers.  during the course of which strzok was determined to have not acted with any out of the ordinary bias.  he was not the sole decision maker nor was he in a position internally to induce others under him to do this or that.  this was the results of the june OIG report.

the other investigation is the ongoing mueller investigation and his involvement there a.) has been cut short thanks to the revelation of his texts back in dec 2017 and b.) the IG's report on whether or not he unduly influenced decisions based on his bias against trump has yet to conclude.

https://www.vox.com/2018/8/13/17683566/peter-strzok-fired-fbi-trump-russia

 

An inspector general report released in June harshly criticized Strzok and expressed concern about his potential bias, but found no evidence that his political views affected his investigative decisions. However, that report focused primarily on the Clinton investigation; the IG is reviewing the Trump-Russia probe separately, and that review is not yet completed.

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3 minutes ago, AndroidAggie said:

it's my understanding that strzok took part in 2 investigations that are relevant and salient to whether or not he was unjustly animated by personal opinion in favor of or against trump

one was of hillary and emails and private servers.  during the course of which strzok was determined to have not acted with any out of the ordinary bias.  he was not the sole decision maker nor was he in a position internally to induce others under him to do this or that.  this was the results of the june OIG report.

the other investigation is the ongoing mueller investigation and his involvement there a.) has been cut short thanks to the revelation of his texts back in dec 2017 and b.) the IG's report on whether or not he unduly influenced decisions based on his bias against trump has yet to conclude.

https://www.vox.com/2018/8/13/17683566/peter-strzok-fired-fbi-trump-russia

Vox is being misleading. Here are the quotes from the IG report and the IG’s senate testimony about Strzok’s bias affecting investigative decisions.

On 8/14/2018 at 1:58 PM, thelawlorfaithful said:

Retro, this is dead wrong. Quit carrying the water when this is outright refuted by the IG Report and I’ve pointed it out to you before.

Most of the text messages raising such questions pertained to the Russia investigation, and the implication in some of these text messages, particularly Strzok’s August 8 text message (“we’ll stop” candidate Trump from being elected), was that Strzok might be willing to take official action to impact a presidential candidate’s electoral prospects. Under these circumstances, we did not have confidence that Strzok’s decision to prioritize the Russia investigation over following up on the Midyear-related investigative lead discovered on the Weiner laptop was free from bias.

And also Horowitz’s Senate testimony.

CORNYN: I think what's so disturbing about this era in the FBI leadership is, it just seemed to be a culture of impunity, where the rules did not apply to the director and his leadership team, but obviously were designed to apply to everybody else.  

And, by the way, I agree with Director Wray when he talks about rank- and-file FBI professionals. We're not talking about them. We're talking about a group that somehow went terribly awry in the leadership team of Director Comey.  

General Horowitz, you mentioned that you found no evidence of bias in the investigation. But you qualify that in talking about documentary and testimonial evidence.  

Are you discounting the text messages from Mr. Strzok and Ms. Page, for example?  

HOROWITZ: No, what we were trying to do was be clear that we were focused on the very specific investigative decisions we looked at.

And what was significant about the pre -- I'm now talking about the pre-July 5 announcement decisions -- was that Strzok, Page and others were not the sole decision-makers there. They were team decisions, and in many cases prosecutors' decisions, as opposed to the individuals who wrote the e-mails.  

We made very clear we were not saying as to every single decision. As you know from doing these kinds of cases, there are hundreds of decisions to be made. And, in fact, we did not find no bias with regard to the October events.

 

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1 minute ago, thelawlorfaithful said:

Vox is being misleading. Here are the quotes from the IG report and the IG’s senate testimony about Strzok’s bias affecting investigative decisions.

 

there's more to the story than what i highlighted:

Inspector General Horowitz’s exhaustive review of the Clinton email probe found that “Strzok was not the sole decisionmaker” for the key Clinton email probe decisions — he had a supervisor and others on his team all along. Additionally, Horowitz wrote, Strzok and Page sometimes “advocated for more aggressive investigative measures.”

Horowitz did conclude that he didn’t “have confidence” that one Strzok decision — to prioritize the Trump-Russia probe over reviewing new Clinton emails on Anthony Weiner’s laptop — “was free from bias.” But he also couldn’t show that there was bias there. (After all, there are legitimate arguments that pursuing active Russian interference in the final weeks of the election was the right call, and the new Clinton emails turned out to be unimportant when they were reviewed.)

 

so horowitz (understandably and reasonably) had his doubts, but couldn't point to evidence that strzok was a in a position of power in the investigation and abused that position by using poor judgment in the investigation

if i'm wrong please correct me

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Just now, AndroidAggie said:

there's more to the story than what i highlighted:

Inspector General Horowitz’s exhaustive review of the Clinton email probe found that “Strzok was not the sole decisionmaker” for the key Clinton email probe decisions — he had a supervisor and others on his team all along. Additionally, Horowitz wrote, Strzok and Page sometimes “advocated for more aggressive investigative measures.”

Horowitz did conclude that he didn’t “have confidence” that one Strzok decision — to prioritize the Trump-Russia probe over reviewing new Clinton emails on Anthony Weiner’s laptop — “was free from bias.” But he also couldn’t show that there was bias there. (After all, there are legitimate arguments that pursuing active Russian interference in the final weeks of the election was the right call, and the new Clinton emails turned out to be unimportant when they were reviewed.)

 

so horowitz (understandably and reasonably) had his doubts, but couldn't point to evidence that strzok was a in a position of power in the investigation and abused that position by using poor judgment in the investigation

if i'm wrong please correct me

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Strzok was the guy with the responsibility in handling the new lead. He did nothing until the freaked out child porn case agent saw the writing on the wall, that when this all came out they would try to pin the blame all on him, and went to the US Attorney to try and get the FBI in gear.

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Just now, thelawlorfaithful said:

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Strzok was the guy with the responsibility in handling the new lead. He did nothing until the freaked out child porn case agent saw the writing on the wall, that when this all came out they would try to pin the blame all on him, and went to the US Attorney to try and get the FBI in gear.

fair enough

i stand corrected about his position in the fbi. 

hmmmmmm lots of thoughts.

i still don't think it's 100% clear cut that he acted because he hates trump.  his ends don't justify his means; he is with the fbi and the facts surrounding the trump campaign meeting with the russians, in my estimation, warrants further investigation.  i think strzok did deserve to be removed from the mueller investigation and that his bias is clearly in play when he's deciding to not go after the weiner laptop but instead chase trump.  in other words, while i probably would've made the same decision, i would hope i'd choose courses of actions based on facts rather than "oh the guy is probably dirty so let's go find dirt"

the ends don't justify the means

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12 hours ago, AndroidAggie said:

fair enough

i stand corrected about his position in the fbi. 

hmmmmmm lots of thoughts.

i still don't think it's 100% clear cut that he acted because he hates trump.  his ends don't justify his means; he is with the fbi and the facts surrounding the trump campaign meeting with the russians, in my estimation, warrants further investigation.  i think strzok did deserve to be removed from the mueller investigation and that his bias is clearly in play when he's deciding to not go after the weiner laptop but instead chase trump.  in other words, while i probably would've made the same decision, i would hope i'd choose courses of actions based on facts rather than "oh the guy is probably dirty so let's go find dirt"

the ends don't justify the means

I think that’s all fair.

Don’t have guys like Page and Manafort be a part of your campaign if you don’t want the extra scrutiny.

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