ProprietyofLeyluken Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 My compliments on Nevada's program. Coach Muss has done a tremendous job in a relatively short time, and has positioned Nevada for a F4 run... which is something a G5 program would never be allowed to do. SI just came out with their top players from "mid-major conferences" and the MW is well-represented.. https://www.si.com/college-basketball/2018/02/22mid-major-smaller-conferences-top-players-hutchison-daum-adams-landale To get to the point of this poll... Does basketball take a backseat to football in this league... and "WHY!?!" given that football is treated like such a step-child in the "power" system???? Is MW football such a revenue driver?? It seems to me that MW programs spend an obscene amount on FB commensurate to the revenue in your TV deal. Would it be easier and more rewarding to become a "big boy" instead of a "mid major" in basketball, instead? Again, congrats on Nevada becoming such a contender. I wish that Gonzaga had joined so the MW would've gone into this season with such a visible 1-2 punch. I think that could've impacted perceptions of the conference. Here's an outdated "mid major" Top 10. It would seem there could be room to consolidate and perhaps build a new Western challenger league. Mid-Major Top 10 1-26-2018 Gonzaga (18-4, 8-1 WCC). ... Saint Mary's (20-2, 9-0 WCC). ... Rhode Island (16-3, 8-0 A-10). ... Nevada (18-4, 7-1 MWC). ... New Mexico State (17-3, 5-0 WAC). ... Middle Tennessee (15-5, 7-1 C-USA). ... Western Kentucky (14-6, 6-1 C-USA). ... Boise State (17-4, 7-2 MWC). Louisiana (18-3, 8-0 Sun Belt) Loyola-Chicago (17-4, 7-2 Missouri Valley) https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/2018/01/26/mid-major-top-10-gonzaga-saint-marys-rhode-island-out-front/1060986001/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClevelandBrown Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 1 hour ago, ProprietyofLeyluken said: SI just came out with their top players from "mid-major conferences" and the MW is well-represented That article is from February dude. I think, therefore I'm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigd Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 The MW will always have a huge focus on football, but in the future it does seem that basketball maybe a better bet. It's much easier to recruit 12 top players compared the 60-70 (or whatever it is) required to compete with the big boys in football. Also due to the postseason setup it is actually possible to compete for championships. That said, let's kick out SJSU and add BYU and Gonzaga. That would be a killer conference with built in travel partners, and would be equal or better to the AAC in football and basketball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slappy Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 It is really pretty simple. There are plenty of basketball first conferences in this country. It costs less and doesn’t require the infrastructure to compete like football does. The MW is one of the few football first conferences that has a legit chance to stay that way. It is important that everyone continues to push in that direction. Some of the last additions to this conference would be better suited in a basketball first conference. I attribute most of it to lack of financial stability and lack of football infrastructure. They need to get on board or find a conference that suits them. Hawaii SJ State Unlv Reno all struggle to compete at this level with their football programs. All 4 of those schools would do better in a basketball centric conference. We need to fix the bottom or make a membership change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4UNLV Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 38 minutes ago, slappy said: It is really pretty simple. There are plenty of basketball first conferences in this country. It costs less and doesn’t require the infrastructure to compete like football does. The MW is one of the few football first conferences that has a legit chance to stay that way. It is important that everyone continues to push in that direction. Some of the last additions to this conference would be better suited in a basketball first conference. I attribute most of it to lack of financial stability and lack of football infrastructure. They need to get on board or find a conference that suits them. Hawaii SJ State Unlv Reno all struggle to compete at this level with their football programs. All 4 of those schools would do better in a basketball centric conference. We need to fix the bottom or make a membership change. well, last time we played, we beat you with a high school coach, and you had the great one. just sayin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWRebel Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 10 hours ago, ProprietyofLeyluken said: My compliments on Nevada's program. Coach Muss has done a tremendous job in a relatively short time, and has positioned Nevada for a F4 run... which is something a G5 program would never be allowed to do. SI just came out with their top players from "mid-major conferences" and the MW is well-represented.. https://www.si.com/college-basketball/2018/02/22mid-major-smaller-conferences-top-players-hutchison-daum-adams-landale To get to the point of this poll... Does basketball take a backseat to football in this league... and "WHY!?!" given that football is treated like such a step-child in the "power" system???? Is MW football such a revenue driver?? It seems to me that MW programs spend an obscene amount on FB commensurate to the revenue in your TV deal. Would it be easier and more rewarding to become a "big boy" instead of a "mid major" in basketball, instead? Again, congrats on Nevada becoming such a contender. I wish that Gonzaga had joined so the MW would've gone into this season with such a visible 1-2 punch. I think that could've impacted perceptions of the conference. Here's an outdated "mid major" Top 10. It would seem there could be room to consolidate and perhaps build a new Western challenger league. Mid-Major Top 10 1-26-2018 Gonzaga (18-4, 8-1 WCC). ... Saint Mary's (20-2, 9-0 WCC). ... Rhode Island (16-3, 8-0 A-10). ... Nevada (18-4, 7-1 MWC). ... New Mexico State (17-3, 5-0 WAC). ... Middle Tennessee (15-5, 7-1 C-USA). ... Western Kentucky (14-6, 6-1 C-USA). ... Boise State (17-4, 7-2 MWC). Louisiana (18-3, 8-0 Sun Belt) Loyola-Chicago (17-4, 7-2 Missouri Valley) https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/2018/01/26/mid-major-top-10-gonzaga-saint-marys-rhode-island-out-front/1060986001/ You have to follow the money. And, our best chances are in basketball. With the soon to come academic dollars rolling in from the NCAA March Madness TV contract basketball will truly be the cash cow for the MWC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alum93 Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 With the right coach and right players, every mid-major conference could have a basketball team compete for a Final Four and even a national championship. The chances of that happening in football are a hair above zero. In the short term, football will continue to drive the bus and play a huge factor if and when the next round of musical chairs starts again for conference realignments, even for G5 programs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halfmanhalfbronco Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 5 hours ago, bigd said: The MW will always have a huge focus on football, but in the future it does seem that basketball maybe a better bet. It's much easier to recruit 12 top players compared the 60-70 (or whatever it is) required to compete with the big boys in football. Also due to the postseason setup it is actually possible to compete for championships. That said, let's kick out SJSU and add BYU and Gonzaga. That would be a killer conference with built in travel partners, and would be equal or better to the AAC in football and basketball. 1 hour ago, slappy said: It is really pretty simple. There are plenty of basketball first conferences in this country. It costs less and doesn’t require the infrastructure to compete like football does. The MW is one of the few football first conferences that has a legit chance to stay that way. It is important that everyone continues to push in that direction. Some of the last additions to this conference would be better suited in a basketball first conference. I attribute most of it to lack of financial stability and lack of football infrastructure. They need to get on board or find a conference that suits them. Hawaii SJ State Unlv Reno all struggle to compete at this level with their football programs. All 4 of those schools would do better in a basketball centric conference. We need to fix the bottom or make a membership change. This is unpossible! @happycamper assured me basketball was harder to compete in, cus BYU in 1984! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProprietyofLeyluken Posted August 7, 2018 Author Share Posted August 7, 2018 30 minutes ago, NWRebel said: You have to follow the money. And, our best chances are in basketball. With the soon to come academic dollars rolling in from the NCAA March Madness TV contract basketball will truly be the cash cow for the MWC. Agree with this. For mainly these reasons: 1A.) The MW will never have a football equivalent of Nevada MBB in football. 1B.) The MW will never secure a FB recruit the equivalent of Jordan Brown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProprietyofLeyluken Posted August 7, 2018 Author Share Posted August 7, 2018 1 hour ago, slappy said: Some of the last additions to this conference would be better suited in a basketball first conference. The MW changed from a FB conference to a conference more suited to MBB long ago... This was the last MW conference configuration that was truly suited to play FB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happycamper Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 14 minutes ago, halfmanhalfbronco said: This is unpossible! @happycamper assured me basketball was harder to compete in, cus BYU in 1984! Costing less isn't the same thing as easier. Remember that every argument you have with someone on MWCboard is actually the continuation of a different argument they had with someone else also on MWCboard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halfmanhalfbronco Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 11 minutes ago, ProprietyofLeyluken said: Agree with this. For mainly these reasons: 1A.) The MW will never have a football equivalent of Nevada MBB in football. 1B.) The MW will never secure a FB recruit the equivalent of Jordan Brown. Nevada MBB is not the equivalent of TCU, Utah or Boise State football. Get out of here with this nonsense. Football drives the bus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happycamper Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 4 minutes ago, halfmanhalfbronco said: Nevada MBB is not the equivalent of TCU, Utah or Boise State football. Get out of here with this nonsense. Football drives the bus. Boise State football of today is not the equivalent of TCU and Utah and Boise State football when the first 2 were in the MWC either. Remember that every argument you have with someone on MWCboard is actually the continuation of a different argument they had with someone else also on MWCboard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWRebel Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 4 minutes ago, halfmanhalfbronco said: Nevada MBB is not the equivalent of TCU, Utah or Boise State football. Get out of here with this nonsense. Football drives the bus. Football drives the bus right now. But, if we can consistently get 3-4 teams in the NCAA Tourney each year our fortunes will change. That being said I would have to qualify that by mentioning the academic dollars soon to come. Those dollars are huge. They will be worth more than our current NCAA tourney credits. Those two alone will help us financially as a conference. Boise State being the exception in that they can and will earn a lot of money from football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halfmanhalfbronco Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 24 minutes ago, happycamper said: Boise State football of today is not the equivalent of TCU and Utah and Boise State football when the first 2 were in the MWC either. Agreed. However he said the MWC will never have the equivalent of Nevada MBB in football. It is like he has no concept of the history of this conference or the programs in it. It does feel good to be preseason champs in football again after Suds snapped our undefeated streak last off season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alum93 Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 Just now, halfmanhalfbronco said: Agreed. However he said the MWC will never have the equivalent of Nevada MBB in football. It is like he has no concept of the history of this conference or the programs in it. It does feel good to be preseason champs in football again after Suds snapped our undefeated streak last off season. Maybe he's projecting a 2 decade run in basketball based on last year :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happycamper Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 5 minutes ago, halfmanhalfbronco said: Agreed. However he said the MWC will never have the equivalent of Nevada MBB in football. It is like he has no concept of the history of this conference or the programs in it. It does feel good to be preseason champs in football again after Suds snapped our undefeated streak last off season. I mean he might be right, I doubt that UNLV or Air Force will win the conference and then go (but lose) in an access bowl just by hiring a single coach. Not right in the way he was arguign tho Remember that every argument you have with someone on MWCboard is actually the continuation of a different argument they had with someone else also on MWCboard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halfmanhalfbronco Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 Just now, happycamper said: I mean he might be right, I doubt that UNLV or Air Force will win the conference and then go (but lose) in an access bowl just by hiring a single coach. Not right in the way he was arguign tho Lol this line of logic will probably confuse so many people who were not part of the Gonzaga BB Boise Football debate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happycamper Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 4 minutes ago, halfmanhalfbronco said: Lol this line of logic will probably confuse so many people who were not part of the Gonzaga BB Boise Football debate hey you wanna mwcboard, you gotta mwcboard Remember that every argument you have with someone on MWCboard is actually the continuation of a different argument they had with someone else also on MWCboard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alum93 Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 1 hour ago, ProprietyofLeyluken said: The MW changed from a FB conference to a conference more suited to MBB long ago... This was the last MW conference configuration that was truly suited to play FB. Utah, BYU, TCU, and Boise would have formed a solid core for football conference. Let's all discuss... Just kidding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...