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5 minutes ago, HR_Poke said:

That's why I need it boiled down. Me no read good.

Coming up next, why did Obama do nothing about HR’s illiteracy for so long? Our panel is here to discuss.

We’re all sitting in the dugout. Thinking we should pitch. How you gonna throw a shutout when all you do is bitch.

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Just now, thelawlorfaithful said:

Coming up next, why did Obama do nothing about HR’s illiteracy for so long? Our panel is here to discuss.

Its because I'm old and white. Just ask YRF....

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2 minutes ago, HR_Poke said:

Its because I'm old and white. Just ask YRF....

I would ask, but I fear putting my ignorance on display would be a shameful lording of my white privilege.

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2 hours ago, smltwnrckr said:

For now, no... macro-system. (though I would, long-term, suggest the question stands for all social systems)

It's the carrot and stick? Maybe every system requires some degree of violence because all humans require some degree of violence?

But as pointed out by @lawlorfiathful there are certainly vast degrees of violence which makes their comparisons pretty ludicrous.

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2 minutes ago, SharkTanked said:

It's the carrot and stick? Maybe every system requires some degree of violence because all humans require some degree of violence?

But as pointed out by @lawlorfiathful there are certainly vast degrees of violence which makes their comparisons pretty ludicrous.

I didn't make a comparison. I just asked if there was a social system that doesn't require violence. Care to share one?

Planning is an exercise of power, and in a modern state much real power is suffused with boredom. The agents of planning are usually boring; the planning process is boring; the implementation of plans is always boring. In a democracy boredom works for bureaucracies and corporations as smell works for skunk. It keeps danger away. Power does not have to be exercised behind the scenes. It can be open. The audience is asleep. The modern world is forged amidst our inattention.

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12 minutes ago, SharkTanked said:

I can't think of one.

That's my only point. There are clearly inherent problems in communism. But any social system relies on violence for its own implementation, expansion and perpetuation. The only thing capitalism has on communism is there are potentially fewer ideals to enforce through violence.

Planning is an exercise of power, and in a modern state much real power is suffused with boredom. The agents of planning are usually boring; the planning process is boring; the implementation of plans is always boring. In a democracy boredom works for bureaucracies and corporations as smell works for skunk. It keeps danger away. Power does not have to be exercised behind the scenes. It can be open. The audience is asleep. The modern world is forged amidst our inattention.

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4 hours ago, smltwnrckr said:

So we only get to go back a few decades and consider domestic violence?

If you can find centuries old communist macro-systems that compare favorably with capitalist, liberal democracies then be my guest.

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1 minute ago, thelawlorfaithful said:

If you can find centuries old communist macro-systems that compare favorably with capitalist, liberal democracies then be my guest.

so it only counts when capitalism is considered within the context of a liberal democracy?

Planning is an exercise of power, and in a modern state much real power is suffused with boredom. The agents of planning are usually boring; the planning process is boring; the implementation of plans is always boring. In a democracy boredom works for bureaucracies and corporations as smell works for skunk. It keeps danger away. Power does not have to be exercised behind the scenes. It can be open. The audience is asleep. The modern world is forged amidst our inattention.

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6 hours ago, smltwnrckr said:

so it only counts when capitalism is considered within the context of a liberal democracy?

It can count any way you want if you can make an intelligent enough argument about it.

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3 minutes ago, thelawlorfaithful said:

It can count any way you want if you can make an intelligent enough argument about it.

my only argument would be that a whole heap of brutal violence has been propagated before and after the existence of communist states to facilitate the free exchange of goods and services. capitalism has plenty of blood on its hands, as do other social systems and ideologies. 

it seemed to me that your insight on communism, that it inherently relies on violence especially as it scales up, which is also a statement of fact, implied that it is unique to communism. but it only seemed that way, which is why i asked a question instead of had some strong take ie "LOL F#*K CAPTIALISM ROTFL"

Planning is an exercise of power, and in a modern state much real power is suffused with boredom. The agents of planning are usually boring; the planning process is boring; the implementation of plans is always boring. In a democracy boredom works for bureaucracies and corporations as smell works for skunk. It keeps danger away. Power does not have to be exercised behind the scenes. It can be open. The audience is asleep. The modern world is forged amidst our inattention.

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10 hours ago, HR_Poke said:

Its because I'm old and white. Just ask YRF....

You had your chance to become literate, asshole 

 

Pull yourself up by your bootstraps and learn the English language 

On 12/1/2016 at 12:26 PM, WyomingCoog said:

I own a vehicle likely worth more than everything you own combined and just flew first class (including a ticket for a 2 1/2 year old), round trip to Las Vegas and I'm not 35 yet. When you accomplish something outside of finishing a book, let me know. When's the last time you saw a 2 year old fly first class in their own seat? Don't tell me about elite.  

28 minutes ago, NorCalCoug said:

I’d happily compare IQ’s with you any day of the week.

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10 hours ago, thelawlorfaithful said:

I would ask, but I fear putting my ignorance on display would be a shameful lording of my white privilege.

You covered the racism angle, but somehow your syntax still reeks of sexism here. Stay tuned for my thinkpiece in the HuffPost about it

On 12/1/2016 at 12:26 PM, WyomingCoog said:

I own a vehicle likely worth more than everything you own combined and just flew first class (including a ticket for a 2 1/2 year old), round trip to Las Vegas and I'm not 35 yet. When you accomplish something outside of finishing a book, let me know. When's the last time you saw a 2 year old fly first class in their own seat? Don't tell me about elite.  

28 minutes ago, NorCalCoug said:

I’d happily compare IQ’s with you any day of the week.

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2 minutes ago, smltwnrckr said:

my only argument would be that a whole heap of brutal violence has been propagated before and after the existence of communist states to facilitate the free exchange of goods and services. capitalism has plenty of blood on its hands, as do other social systems and ideologies. 

it seemed to me that your insight on communism, that it inherently relies on violence especially as it scales up, which is also a statement of fact, implied that it is unique to communism. but it only seemed that way, which is why i asked a question instead of had some strong take ie "LOL F#*K CAPTIALISM ROTFL"

Capitalism is incredibly violent. The privatized nature of it just means its practice is more diffused than, say, Stalin's monopoly on it, theoretically 

 

More substantially, the violence of capitalism is not as prominent in the American psyche at that of other social systems because, well, we haven't been spoonfed propaganda about how evil capitalism is for decades

On 12/1/2016 at 12:26 PM, WyomingCoog said:

I own a vehicle likely worth more than everything you own combined and just flew first class (including a ticket for a 2 1/2 year old), round trip to Las Vegas and I'm not 35 yet. When you accomplish something outside of finishing a book, let me know. When's the last time you saw a 2 year old fly first class in their own seat? Don't tell me about elite.  

28 minutes ago, NorCalCoug said:

I’d happily compare IQ’s with you any day of the week.

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28 minutes ago, youngrebelfan40 said:

You covered the racism angle, but somehow your syntax still reeks of sexism here. Stay tuned for my thinkpiece in the HuffPost about it

Shameful ladying on my part would have at least two inherent problems that I can see. Implying anything shameful about ladyship is just a further enconcement of the patriarchy by the traditional use of shame to oppress women. Also, my proposed shameful ladying of my privilege would be an injust usurpation of all the harm suffered by a traditionally marginalized group. If there are more I gladly await the HuffPo piece, although a Vox explainer might be helpful as well.

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37 minutes ago, smltwnrckr said:

my only argument would be that a whole heap of brutal violence has been propagated before and after the existence of communist states to facilitate the free exchange of goods and services. capitalism has plenty of blood on its hands, as do other social systems and ideologies. 

it seemed to me that your insight on communism, that it inherently relies on violence especially as it scales up, which is also a statement of fact, implied that it is unique to communism. but it only seemed that way, which is why i asked a question instead of had some strong take ie "LOL F#*K CAPTIALISM ROTFL"

I would agree that any large system is inherently steeped in violence, particularly the state’s monopoly of violence in functioning societies. Where I would draw distinction is the amount of violence for the system to function with any fair amount of success is many degrees higher under communism. I would also say that capitalism has shown to be a system that does a pretty good job of greatly ameliorating suffering over time, and that’s not something in evidence under communist systems.

We’re all sitting in the dugout. Thinking we should pitch. How you gonna throw a shutout when all you do is bitch.

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