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2 hours ago, NevadaFan said:

“Four score and seven years ago... I proposed that my role was undervalued at this fine company and that I need a raise.” 

(Yes I get that’s 87 years. It’s a joke jackrabbit!)

BTW, anyone remember the movie Colors??? 😂

I had to write short papers all the time for my history and philosophy classes.  Learned to write concisely, to edit, to edit again, and to get a lot of information out in a short amount of text.

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Just now, CPslograd said:

I think my buddy just called me an idiot.

But he doesn't like the Giants, so I forgive him.

I felt like emojis were under used so a good spamming was needed....

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1 hour ago, toonkee said:

Liberal arts degrees may not be financially rewarding but gawdammit I'm so tired of people trying to quantify the value of everything from only a financial viewpoint. My education "titles" and and "papers" honestly have no bearing on my employment or income but my college experience and the classes I took enriched my ability to discover, understand the world I live in, and serve as the foundation for my personal growth moving forward. And learning to love yourself is the greatest love of all.

I understand your point. But hey, I’m an accountant, I quantify everything. I can’t help it. 

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2 hours ago, HR_Poke said:

Like a hand job type of love yourself?

 

Cause I'm pretty sure I learned that way before college....

I decided long ago never to walk in anyone's shadow.

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3 hours ago, HR_Poke said:

I felt like emojis were under used so a good spamming was needed....

I just thought that it was emojiterrorism

Remember that every argument you have with someone on MWCboard is actually the continuation of a different argument they had with someone else also on MWCboard. 

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2 hours ago, bornontheblue said:

I understand your point. But hey, I’m an accountant, I quantify everything. I can’t help it. 

If I fail, or I succeed, at least I lived as I believe.

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11 hours ago, NVGiant said:

No. Like everything, the value of any degree depends. I will say that I don't think I want to live in a world without writers. 

Liberal Arts degrees are worthless and you don't need one to learn how to write.  You can get a real education and if you are interested in something as important as writing seriously, take the courses as electives.  Originally hundreds of years ago a liberal arts degree used to be a degree in basic math and science that also included a focus on music, art or something else.

If your Undergrad degree is not focused on Math Chemistry and Physics, your education is worthless in today's world.

If you get an undergrad degree focused on writing you are going to be the guy who wrote the clever article where the facts are wrong because you don't have to tools to understand the facts.   

Almost every science article written by a journalist without fail has a basic factual mistake in it that I can find if I know something about the topic.   You see it on the national stage where Trump is constantly taking advantage of journalist mistakes to call them fake news.  If I was a journalist or writer today I would be embarrassed at the unprofessionalism of the profession.  You are being made fun of by Trump of all people and you often deserve it.  

A business degree in economics or accounting would be what I would recommend to a student who had no interest in science and didn't want to teach.

A teacher getting a primary teaching degree if they want to be a good teacher needs to take some real coursework.   Since their degree is a joke.  If I was a high school grad I would be embarrassed if I was as stupid about the world, as your average grade school teacher.

A secondary school teacher intending on teaching high school needs to take additional math and science classes not required, because their education is not adequate to understand even basic history let alone function in the world.

The best Lawyer I ever met had a physics undergrad.  He was so good and in demand I had to hire his help, because he was too expensive and too busy to hire for anything more than a short consultation.

The best journalists are all science majors who have a talent for writing.

 

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11 hours ago, NevadaFan said:

Yes and no. I would rather my kid(s) earn a liberal arts degree than nothing at all. 

Also, the thing I struggle with when I have this convo with my kids is this... are you looking for a profession that pays well or one that makes you happy? If my kid gets an engineering degree but hates going to work does that = success? You need $$ but $$ doesn’t = happiness. 

Just because you're and engineer doesn't mean you have to work as an engineer.  You have the basic math and science skills to understand any profession.  It is a whole lot easier to pick up some writing or art skills as an older person than it is to learn math and science.   Lots of books on how to write and any engineer is going to have no difficulty understanding them.

How many journalism majors will have the skills to understand basic statistics or genetics, or computer science?  None that didn't get some further education in a classroom but an engineer can probably pick up a book on those subjects and have the tools to understand them too.

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Just to give you all an idea where my opinions arise from.  I teach EMT classes around Nevada to volunteer ambulance service attendants.  In the past I have taught paramedic courses as well.

An EMT needs to be able to calculate ratios and concentrations.  Stuff that most of you were taught in a high school math and chemistry class.

Since this is rural Nevada we get a few volunteer mining engineers.  They of course have the tools to handle this stuff easily.  Electricians, mechanics usually have no problem even if they never went to a university.   Teachers and lawyers always struggle.  I would rather have a uneducated businessman who was last in his high school class that a lawyer or teacher who always think they know it all.  The uneducated businessman at least knows he may have to work a little to pass the NREMT.   Teachers and Lawyers almost always flunk out and then give up because they are too embarrassed, wasting my time.   

Thankfully teachers almost never volunteer for anything.  In more than 30+ years of volunteering on two different fire departments and helping many others.  I have only had one teacher volunteer to join a fire department or work in a hospital.  They are the most limited citizens in our communities.

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I wouldn’t trade mine for anything.   Double major in poly sci and general business.   Minor in philosophy and pre law.   Law school at GU.  Now I own my own business without ever practicing law. Liberal arts expose and sometimes force you to learn things outside of your comfort zone.  Mine was religion courses that were necessary to graduate.  

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7 minutes ago, edluvar said:

I wouldn’t trade mine for anything.   Double major in poly sci and general business.   Minor in philosophy and pre law.   Law school at GU.  Now I own my own business without ever practicing law. Liberal arts expose and sometimes force you to learn things outside of your comfort zone.  Mine was religion courses that were necessary to graduate.  

Just think how successful you could be if you had an actual education.

You would have the tools to do so much more.   You could even understand many of the conversations on this board that go completely over your head.

 

It is funny I can tell you the guys on this board who have an education and who don't.  @NVGiant for instance is I think a teacher and has extolled the virtues of a liberal arts education.  I suspect though he has had some math because he is not lost in a simple discussion of probability like you or @Akkula, @Boise fan, or @jackmormon.    

 

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22 minutes ago, bluerules009 said:

Liberal Arts degrees are worthless and you don't need one to learn how to write.  You can get a real education and if you are interested in something as important as writing seriously, take the courses as electives.  Originally hundreds of years ago a liberal arts degree used to be a degree in basic math and science that also included a focus on music, art or something else.

If your Undergrad degree is not focused on Math Chemistry and Physics, your education is worthless in today's world.

If you get an undergrad degree focused on writing you are going to be the guy who wrote the clever article where the facts are wrong because you don't have to tools to understand the facts.   

Almost every science article written by a journalist without fail has a basic factual mistake in it that I can find if I know something about the topic.   You see it on the national stage where Trump is constantly taking advantage of journalist mistakes to call them fake news.  If I was a journalist or writer today I would be embarrassed at the unprofessionalism of the profession.  You are being made fun of by Trump of all people and you often deserve it.  

A business degree in economics or accounting would be what I would recommend to a student who had no interest in science and didn't want to teach.

A teacher getting a primary teaching degree if they want to be a good teacher needs to take some real coursework.   Since their degree is a joke.  If I was a high school grad I would be embarrassed if I was as stupid about the world, as your average grade school teacher.

A secondary school teacher intending on teaching high school needs to take additional math and science classes not required, because their education is not adequate to understand even basic history let alone function in the world.

The best Lawyer I ever met had a physics undergrad.  He was so good and in demand I had to hire his help, because he was too expensive and too busy to hire for anything more than a short consultation.

The best journalists are all science majors who have a talent for writing.

 

Is there ever a time when you don’t speak in absolutes?

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33 minutes ago, jackmormon said:

Is there ever a time when you don’t speak in absolutes?

There is often a right and wrong.  Emotional cripples like you often can't even contemplate reality because you can't be honest, if you think you will offend someone.  You can't admit a fault because you are so insecure that it would diminish you in your own mind.

When I do talk in shades of gray, you are often don't have the emotional maturity to even discuss an issue that isn't black and white.  I can and have presented dictionary definitions and mathematical equations that prove my position without question.  Yet you will not allow yourself to admit it, do to a lack of simple emotional security.  If I present an argument in support of a grey position you will almost always without fail respond by calling me a racist or stupid.  You don't have the emotional security in yourself to risk presenting anything as an argument that is not something you have heard in the media.  Which is why everyone laughs at the DNC joke, because you have never ever thought once for yourself.

@Nevada Convertis a much more interesting and useful a person than you will ever be.  Not because his arguments have merit, since they seldom do.  Not because I agree with him politically because I seldom do.  In fact he made me cry the other day making fun of me!    Yet because he is willing to present his ideas and defend them, despite the often disparaging responses and personal insults.  He is a far more valuable member of this board than the media brainwashed emotional cripples like you can ever be.

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2 hours ago, bluerules009 said:

Just think how successful you could be if you had an actual education.

You would have the tools to do so much more.   You could even understand many of the conversations on this board that go completely over your head.

 

It is funny I can tell you the guys on this board who have an education and who don't.  @NVGiant for instance is I think a teacher and has extolled the virtues of a liberal arts education.  I suspect though he has had some math because he is not lost in a simple discussion of probability like you or @Akkula, @Boise fan, or @jackmormon.    

 

Thanks Blue, I appreciate your concern for my lack of education 😂

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12 hours ago, pokebball said:

I agree that it is the most well rounded education.  If one is simply looking to get more education, it's a great degree.

As the world becomes increasingly specialized, it's value probably is diminishing regarding those specific skill sets.

I'm in marketing and my world is becoming increasingly generalized. Being a specialist pretty much limits your career to the individual contributor level. 

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4 hours ago, happycamper said:

I just thought that it was emojiterrorism

Flagging this for hate speech! 

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18 hours ago, bornontheblue said:

I am bored so I will start a new discussion.

Are liberal Arts degrees outdated? 

I don't have kids , but if I did I would strongly encourage them to stay away from Liberal Arts Majors.

Are they worth getting thousands of dollars in student loans for a degree that gives you no immediate job skills like Accounting, Engineering, Nursing etc. .

I can see a Liberal Arts degree like History or Political Science being useful as a stepping stone to Law school, but even then a General Business undergraduate degree would be better.  

I think that FAFSA has led a lot of people to get useless degrees that don't do anything for therm, and really wastes taxpayer dollars. 

 

 

A couple of thoughts.  First, law schools--particularly highly selective or elite ones--greatly value a liberal arts degree over a business degree.  Even elite business schools prefer liberal arts degrees over business degrees for MBA candidates.  Generally, the hierarchy is engineering/hard science>>>humanities & social sciences>>>business>>>other more vocational degrees such ag, nursing, education.  You may not agree with it, but that's just the way it is among the admission committees at places like Cal, Northwestern or Duke.

As for my kid majoring in a liberal arts degree, it really would depend on where he's going.  I probably wouldn't be comfortable with it at a school like Boise because there aren't many companies recruiting their arts and science graduates, and the school is not going to ring any bells with graduate programs.  At more competitive schools, arts & sciences have plenty of corporations, government agencies and selective law, med & mba programs recruiting.  Walk into a Silicon Valley VC firm or blue chip consulting company in Chicago and see how many business majors from Southern Illinois or Boise there are compared to History majors from Northwestern or UCLA.

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