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Another "thinking" republican bails on the party - If the sane conservatives leave, the GOP as we knew it will be dead and left to the right wing lunatic fringe :(

 

George Will, Having Left Republican Party, Urges Conservatives to Vote Against Donald Trump

http://fortune.com/2018/06/22/george-will-leaves-republican-party-donald-trump/

George Will, a longtime political commentator and staunch defender of the conservative movement, chided the Republican Party, citing the party’s support for Donald Trump in the upcoming 2020 presidential election.

On Friday, Will published a column in the Washington Post explaining his view, using the kind of excoriating language his columns are known for. The column, titled “Vote against the GOP this November,” argued that the number of Republicans in Congress “must be substantially reduced.”

Quoting from a variety of works, such as Robert Bolt’s play A Man for All Seasons and The Federalist Papers, Will also found caustic words of his own for Republican leaders, notably Ryan. The House Speaker, Will wrote, “sold his soul… for a tax cut” and had become one of “the president’s poodles.”

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I don't know what's funnier... the liberals who are suddenly down with George Will or the conservatives Republicans throwing him under the bus.

Didn't he leave the party like 2 years ago?

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25 minutes ago, smltwnrckr said:

I don't know what's funnier... the liberals who are suddenly down with George Will or the conservatives Republicans throwing him under the bus.

Didn't he leave the party like 2 years ago?

Probably has been and will be a slow flow as the GOP descends into lunacy as the trump effect takes over

This could lead to a middle /centric 3rd party as the moderate Dems could leave the Dem party to the "berniecrats" 

Then we'd have a far left, far right and wide center :shrug: 

 

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3 hours ago, UNLV2001 said:

Another "thinking" republican bails on the party - If the sane conservatives leave, the GOP as we knew it will be dead and left to the right wing lunatic fringe :(

 

George Will, Having Left Republican Party, Urges Conservatives to Vote Against Donald Trump

http://fortune.com/2018/06/22/george-will-leaves-republican-party-donald-trump/

George Will, a longtime political commentator and staunch defender of the conservative movement, chided the Republican Party, citing the party’s support for Donald Trump in the upcoming 2020 presidential election.

On Friday, Will published a column in the Washington Post explaining his view, using the kind of excoriating language his columns are known for. The column, titled “Vote against the GOP this November,” argued that the number of Republicans in Congress “must be substantially reduced.”

Quoting from a variety of works, such as Robert Bolt’s play A Man for All Seasons and The Federalist Papers, Will also found caustic words of his own for Republican leaders, notably Ryan. The House Speaker, Will wrote, “sold his soul… for a tax cut” and had become one of “the president’s poodles.”

George Will has always been a conservative Republican for what he considers the good of the country.  So for him to write such views it is a big deal.  What he's really saying is the GOP is enabling the extreme right.

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George Will: Vote Against The GOP This November

“By George F. Will
Opinion writer
June 22 at 4:41 PM
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Amid the carnage of Republican misrule in Washington, there is this glimmer of good news: The family-shredding policy along the southern border, the most telegenic recent example of misrule, clarified something. Occurring less than 140 days before elections that can reshape Congress, the policy has given independents and temperate Republicans — these are probably expanding and contracting cohorts, respectively — fresh if redundant evidence for the principle by which they should vote.

The principle: The congressional Republican caucuses must be substantially reduced. So substantially that their remnants, reduced to minorities, will be stripped of the Constitution’s Article I powers that they have been too invertebrate to use against the current wielder of Article II powers. They will then have leisure time to wonder why they worked so hard to achieve membership in a legislature whose unexercised muscles have atrophied because of people like them.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... b42ad7eada

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20 hours ago, aztech said:

George Will has always been a conservative Republican for what he considers the good of the country.  So for him to write such views it is a big deal.  What he's really saying is the GOP is enabling the extreme right.

Exactly - the GOP has now become an arm of the extreme right and won't put country before party 

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On 6/23/2018 at 3:47 PM, UNLV2001 said:

Another "thinking" republican bails on the party - If the sane conservatives leave, the GOP as we knew it will be dead and left to the right wing lunatic fringe :(

 

George Will, Having Left Republican Party, Urges Conservatives to Vote Against Donald Trump

http://fortune.com/2018/06/22/george-will-leaves-republican-party-donald-trump/

George Will, a longtime political commentator and staunch defender of the conservative movement, chided the Republican Party, citing the party’s support for Donald Trump in the upcoming 2020 presidential election.

On Friday, Will published a column in the Washington Post explaining his view, using the kind of excoriating language his columns are known for. The column, titled “Vote against the GOP this November,” argued that the number of Republicans in Congress “must be substantially reduced.”

Quoting from a variety of works, such as Robert Bolt’s play A Man for All Seasons and The Federalist Papers, Will also found caustic words of his own for Republican leaders, notably Ryan. The House Speaker, Will wrote, “sold his soul… for a tax cut” and had become one of “the president’s poodles.”

George Will is an establishment wannabe intellectual dork that no one has cared about since the 80’s. He doesn’t have any influence and he only accounts for 1 vote. 

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4 hours ago, Nevada Convert said:

George Will is an establishment wannabe intellectual dork that no one has cared about since the 80’s. He doesn’t have any influence and he only accounts for 1 vote. 

Yeah, if you include yourself as an example of the typical "no one", you are right.

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13 hours ago, Nevada Convert said:

George Will is an establishment wannabe intellectual dork that no one has cared about since the 80’s. He doesn’t have any influence and he only accounts for 1 vote. 

The good news for you and a few others is that as thinking people leave the GOP you will be rid of the RINO's and have your far right party all to yourselves ! 

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52 minutes ago, UNLV2001 said:

The good news for you and a few others is that as thinking people leave the GOP you will be rid of the RINO's and have your far right party all to yourselves ! 

You don’t even know what the far right is. Proof was when you said if Reagan were president today, he’d look like a liberal compared to the current GOP. The fact is the left has taken a major move to the far left as a party, and that’s the reason you see the GOP as more far right. You’re the ones that have moved.

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3 minutes ago, Nevada Convert said:

You don’t even know what the far right is. Proof was when you said if Reagan were president today, he’d look like a liberal compared to the current GOP. The fact is the left has taken a major move to the far left as a party, and that’s the reason you see the GOP as more far right. You’re the ones that have moved.

Gotta say, you have the right wing talking points down very well the 30 years of right wing media indoctrination have done it's job on a % of the GOP base.

Any thinking GOPer knows that the above statement is false and straight from the trump false narrative 

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9 minutes ago, UNLV2001 said:

Gotta say, you have the right wing talking points down very well the 30 years of right wing media indoctrination have done it's job on a % of the GOP base.

Any thinking GOPer knows that the above statement is false and straight from the trump false narrative 

Both parties have shifted drastically since a decade or so ago, and the main factor is "Obama really was that divisive".

The only difference is that the median Democrat has moved further Left than the average Republican has moved Right.

So, both have shifted, or become more extreme in their views, but the Democrats have gotten MORE extreme by a fair margin over time.

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Thomas said:

Both parties have shifted drastically since a decade or so ago, and the main factor is "Obama really was that divisive".

The only difference is that the median Democrat has moved further Left than the average Republican has moved Right.

So, both have shifted, or become more extreme in their views, but the Democrats have gotten MORE extreme by a fair margin over time.

 

 

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Obama a full on liberal is laughable - The only reason Obama is considered divisive is because the right wing went ape crap over a (half) black guy winning the White House and on the night before the inauguration met and planned opposing anything Obama wanted to do.

If Obama was a true far left liberal he would have fought much harder for a single payer health care system, instead of compromising on the ACA which is the conservative Heritage Foundations plan from the 1990's

I will grant you that the democrats have a sector that aligns with Bernie Sanders but they aren't the majority of the democratic party 

The Tea Party which arose out of the Sarah Palin (2008) to 2010 elections was the beginning of the side into lunacy by some in the GOP.......they played up the racist elements, with the birth certificate lies, which trump co-opted and started on the "Obama is a socialist" mantra which right wingers bought into and reinforced by 24 hours of Fox news, Sinclair Broadcasting and RW radio propaganda - So it's no surprise yuo & @Nevada Convert have a warped view of reality which has affected the entire right wing mindset since 1992 and especially since 2008 to present.

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8 minutes ago, UNLV2001 said:

Obama a full on liberal is laughable - The only reason Obama is considered divisive is because the right wing went ape crap over a (half) black guy winning the White House and on the night before the inauguration met and planned opposing anything Obama wanted to do.

If Obama was a true far left liberal he would have fought much harder for a single payer health care system, instead of compromising on the ACA which is the conservative Heritage Foundations plan from the 1990's

I will grant you that the democrats have a sector that aligns with Bernie Sanders but they aren't the majority of the democratic party 

The Tea Party which arose out of the Sarah Palin (2008) to 2010 elections was the beginning of the side into lunacy by some in the GOP.......they played up the racist elements, with the birth certificate lies, which trump co-opted and started on the "Obama is a socialist" mantra which right wingers bought into and reinforced by 24 hours of Fox news, Sinclair Broadcasting and RW radio propaganda - So it's no surprise yuo & @Nevada Convert have a warped view of reality which has affected the entire right wing mindset since 1992 and especially since 2008 to present.

That still doesn't explain why Democrats moved MUCH harder Left than the GOP moved Right during Obama. They should have been content, and wouldn't have pushed hard Left, if he wasn't part of the reason.

 

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42 minutes ago, Thomas said:

That still doesn't explain why Democrats moved MUCH harder Left than the GOP moved Right during Obama. They should have been content, and wouldn't have pushed hard Left, if he wasn't part of the reason.

 

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"That still doesn't explain why Democrats moved MUCH harder Left than the GOP moved Right during Obama"

How do you figure? Your charts show both moving equally

Remember that every argument you have with someone on MWCboard is actually the continuation of a different argument they had with someone else also on MWCboard. 

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2 minutes ago, happycamper said:

"That still doesn't explain why Democrats moved MUCH harder Left than the GOP moved Right during Obama"

How do you figure? Your charts show both moving equally

You need to look closer at the nature of the distributions on the 2017 charts. More of the Democrats are closer to the extreme side of the graph than on the GOP graph. This is also evidenced by the lower amplitude of the GOP frequency distribution vs the Democrat figure.

They're pretty similar on the opposite ends though.

 

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2 hours ago, UNLV2001 said:

Gotta say, you have the right wing talking points down very well the 30 years of right wing media indoctrination have done it's job on a % of the GOP base.

Any thinking GOPer knows that the above statement is false and straight from the trump false narrative 

I don’t use talking points, and the minute you hear anything that you might think are talking points, your brain analysis shuts down and they’re automatically identified as “those hateful right wingers”.

How much do you want to bet that I’m nowhere near a right winger. Let’s go down the list issue by issue. I’ll bet you $200. Fair? 

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On 6/23/2018 at 4:32 PM, smltwnrckr said:

I don't know what's funnier... the liberals who are suddenly down with George Will or the conservatives Republicans throwing him under the bus.

Didn't he leave the party like 2 years ago?

I like his takes on baseball. 

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7 minutes ago, NVGiant said:

I like his takes on baseball. 

Cubs fans are all Bolsheviks. So I'm not surprised.

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