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16 minutes ago, retrofade said:

My wife got pissed at me for voting for Johnson instead of Hillary... she hated Trump that much. I told her that I couldn't in good conscience vote for either one of those shitstains.

My thoughts were that the 2016 vote between the two leading candidates was the scary candidate versus the stupid candidate.

Trump was the scary candidate. He was ridiculously divisive, immature, phony and inexperienced.

Clinton was the stupid candidate. She was going to continue socialist policies, was a big establishment politician, and a proponent of corruption.

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38 minutes ago, halfmanhalfbronco said:

Andrew Jackson was very popular at the time among basically everybody.  

I mean he committed genocide on his own turf so uhm, yea.  But at the time he was not divisive, really.  Widely considered a hero

Eh, kind of. I think Trump is a homeless man’s Jackson (or Jackson is a very rich man’s Trump). Popular amongst the working underclass, thought of as vile and dangerous by the political intelligentsia.   There just wasn’t any real entrenched party apparatus to mount a serious defense against Jackson’s populism, so his blowout electoral victories make him seem less divisive than he was. He was divisive though, and remained so after leaving office. The tariff, the banks, Indian removal, nullification; Jackson made plenty of enemies.

We’re all sitting in the dugout. Thinking we should pitch. How you gonna throw a shutout when all you do is bitch.

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1 hour ago, retrofade said:

Johnson was immediately following the Civil War and Lincoln's assassination. Again, vastly different circumstances and I think any president would have been considered divisive. That being said, he certainly didn't do himself any favors either. Tyler wasn't elected, and was facing a massive economic crisis, but I can give you him being divisive. Similar to Johnson, I don't think any president could have survived when Buchanan was President given the political climate at the time, especially with slavery at the forefront of nearly everything going on, and the southern states already talking about succession. 

Pierce actually has some similarities to Trump though. Nobody thought that he would win, and his family didn't want him to win at all. Then he spent most of his presidency in mourning after the loss of his wife right before he was inaugurated if I'm remembering right. 

Forgot about Johnson, that guy was shit.

We’re all sitting in the dugout. Thinking we should pitch. How you gonna throw a shutout when all you do is bitch.

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1 hour ago, smltwnrckr said:

Lincoln the most divisive AND the most unifying president in American History.

REACT TO ME@!!@#!!

Living Lincoln: most divisive.

Dead Lincoln: most unifying.

Its like being a rockstar or movie star. Dying early is an advantage legacy wise.

We’re all sitting in the dugout. Thinking we should pitch. How you gonna throw a shutout when all you do is bitch.

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13 minutes ago, thelawlorfaithful said:

Living Lincoln: most divisive.

Dead Lincoln: most unifying.

Its like being a rockstar or movie star. Dying early is an advantage legacy wise.

Don't forget Coastie.

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27 minutes ago, thelawlorfaithful said:

Eh, kind of. I think Trump is a homeless man’s Jackson (or Jackson is a very rich man’s Trump). Popular amongst the working underclass, thought of as vile and dangerous by the political intelligentsia.   There just wasn’t any real entrenched party apparatus to mount a serious defense against Jackson’s populism, so his blowout electoral victories make him seem less divisive than he was. He was divisive though, and remained so after leaving office. The tariff, the banks, Indian removal, nullification; Jackson made plenty of enemies.

I guess, but there was just not that much.  He was popular among the "common man" and if polling was done back then the way it is now his approval rating would be higher than any modern president.  The banks sure did hate him though and he hated them.  He also gave one hell of a speech to congress after his attempted assassination: "You are a den of vipers and thieves and I intend to root you out, by God I will root you out".  Sounds like a way more add ass "drain the swamp".

History does not judge him kindly and rightly so.

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1 hour ago, thelawlorfaithful said:

Nixon, LBJ, Grant, Jackson, Adams. Lincoln was unpopular throughout most of the war within the union. Wilson would make this list if his political opposition were allowed to speak up without serious repercussions.

You, my friend, are clearly a student of History.

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2 hours ago, thelawlorfaithful said:

Living Lincoln: most divisive.

Dead Lincoln: most unifying.

Its like being a rockstar or movie star. Dying early is an advantage legacy wise.

This is also the only reason people still revere JFK.

Other than some new organizational strategies, advocating the space race, and the Cuban Missile Crisis, there's not much to like.

Lots of failures, like Bay of Pigs.

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7 minutes ago, THEUniversityofNevada said:

Bring on ranked choice voting. No more sending ultra partisans who vote “my way or no way”. 

I am down at the state and local levels first as an experiment.  It is being done in a few places places all ready.

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2 hours ago, retrofade said:

What other President has caused this much strife in the United States? I'm genuinely curious here. I mean, I guess a point can be made for Lincoln, since he went to war to keep the country together. I think that we can all agree that those were significantly different circumstances though. 

Teddy Roosevelt... who was also kind of a Populist, who pissed off his own party.

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2 minutes ago, Thomas said:

This is also the only reason people still revere JFK.

Other than some new organizational strategies, advocating the space race, and the Cuban Misdile Crisis, there's not much to like.

Lots of failures, like Bay of Pigs.

Kennedy is probably the most popular president with the least accomplishments. His trysts would be all over the tabloids these days. Although he wasn’t pro Vietnam, he also didn’t do anything to extricate us from that mess. The Bay of Pigs was a disaster.

Regardless, he had the American people in his hip pocket. He was a great orator that most people had great belief in. If he had not been assassinated things might be much different today. 

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Just now, soupslam1 said:

Kennedy is probably the most popular president with the least accomplishments. His trysts would be all over the tabloids these days. Although he wasn’t pro Vietnam, he also didn’t do anything to extricate us from that mess. The Bay of Pigs was a disaster.

Regardless, he had the American people in his hip pocket. He was a great orator that most people had great belief in. If he had not been assassinated things might be much different today. 

I agree.

 

JFK was no angel, but he was far more of a straight shooter than the uber-corrupt LBJ.

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11 minutes ago, Thomas said:

Teddy Roosevelt... who was also kind of a Populist, who pissed off his own party.

He pissed off JP Morgan, Rockerfeller et al. They made the arrangement for him to be chosen as VP so that it would end his political career.

he was very popular overall, with people of both parties.

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7 minutes ago, jackmormon said:

He pissed off JP Morgan, Rockerfeller et al. They made the arrangement for him to be chosen as VP so that it would end his political career.

he was very popular overall, with people of both parties.

The common man loved him, the entire "Establishment" & Elites hated him.

Some Trump parallels there, I guess.

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1 hour ago, THEUniversityofNevada said:

Bring on ranked choice voting. No more sending ultra partisans who vote “my way or no way”. 

I think a multi party system like they have in Australia would be best.  Then you really have to work with the other parties to get stuff done.  It seems to work well for them.

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It all comes down to this:

The LGBTQ and "migrant" (per reports) workers at Red Hen Restaurant demand that their political views be tolerated by all of the restaurant's patrons, but they refuse to extend that same courtesy to their patrons. Huckabee-Sanders wasn't in there mocking, questioning, or raising any issues related to the staff's political beliefs, but the staff was so bigoted against views THEY don't agree with that they had her removed.

The Left demands tolerance, but is totally unwilling to be tolerant of others... this is utter hypocrisy.

This kind of hypocrisy is how Trump won; you have to actually return tolerance and respect to earn any yourselves. As we can see from Hollywood & the media, the Progressive Left simply isn't capable of any tolerance anymore.

 

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8 minutes ago, Thomas said:

It all comes down to this:

The LGBTQ and "migrant" (per reports) workers at Red Hen Restaurant demand that their political views be tolerated by all of the restaurant's patrons, but they refuse to extend that same courtesy to their patrons. Huckabee-Sanders wasn't in there mocking, questioning, or raising any issues related to the staff's political beliefs, but the staff was so bigoted against views THEY don't agree with that they had her removed.

The Left demands tolerance, but is totally unwilling to be tolerant of others... this is utter hypocrisy.

This kind of hypocrisy is how Trump won; you have to actually return tolerance and respect to earn any yourselves. As we can see from Hollywood & the media, the Progressive Left simply isn't capable of any tolerance anymore.

 

 

I agree with the premise of your post but my understanding of decency, the teachings in the Gospels, and relationship refuse to accept this.  Too few refuse to take the high road and too many make excuses for why they do not.  Including myself far too often.

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3 hours ago, CV147 said:

I voted for McCain.

I also voted for Romney---under duress, mind you. My fiancé said I had to vote for him for our family. I was going to leave it blank.

In the 2016 election I voted for Johnson.

I liked Romney and I figured he was going to win up until the point of the second debate when he said Obama took two weeks to call Benghazi a terrorist attack  and the moderator interjected and it through Romney off.  Had that not happened, I think Romney would’ve won in 2012 and we wouldn’t have Trump now. 

For the record, Obama did call it an act of terror the day after but members of his administration were out saying it wasn’t or that they weren’t sure.  http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/oct/17/mitt-romney/romney-says-obama-waited-14-days-call-libya-attack/

thelawlorfaithful, on 31 Dec 2012 - 04:01 AM, said:One of the rules I live by: never underestimate a man in a dandy looking sweater

 

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