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Friday Five: The Group of Five teams most likely to earn a New Year's Six berth

1. Memphis

2. UCF

3. Boise State

4. FAU

5. Temple

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/friday-five-the-group-of-five-teams-most-likely-to-earn-a-new-years-six-berth/amp/

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It’s amazing to see how far FAU has come in such a short time. They were a bottom dweller just a couple of years ago.

I’m convinced all you need is a semi-good coaching staff in fertile recruiting grounds like that.

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8 minutes ago, LaradiseCowboy said:

It’s amazing to see how far FAU has come in such a short time. They were a bottom dweller just a couple of years ago.

I’m convinced all you need is a semi-good coaching staff in fertile recruiting grounds like that.

UCF was 0-12 two years ago. A good coaching staff in college works no matter where you are.

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24 minutes ago, kingpotato said:

UCF was 0-12 two years ago. A good coaching staff in college works no matter where you are.

Actually UCF is also in Florida as well; hence the name “University of Central Florida”. There are a ton of talented athletes down south. 

Recruiting becomes a crap ton easier when you only have to buy a tank of gas to get to your targeted recruits.

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30 minutes ago, kingpotato said:

UCF was 0-12 two years ago. A good coaching staff in college works no matter where you are.

It's a helluva lot easier to convince a kid to stay home and build up a local school than to go into a state like Florida and pull a kid out to go play somewhere in the Midwest or West to build up a crappy program.  

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19 minutes ago, LaradiseCowboy said:

Actually UCF is also in Florida as well; hence the name “University of Central Florida”. There are a ton of talented athletes down south. 

Recruiting becomes a crap ton easier when you only have to buy a tank of gas to get to your targeted recruits.

You put Nick Saben, Urban Meyer, or Coach Pete anywhere and they'll do well. Scott Frost is going to do just fine at Nebraska and they don't have great recruiting grounds.

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5 minutes ago, kingpotato said:

You put Nick Saben, Urban Meyer, or Coach Pete anywhere and they'll do well. Scott Frost is going to do just fine at Nebraska and they don't have great recruiting grounds.

They’ll do “well” but would they still have the same success wherever they go? Absolutely not. Nebraska may not have the best recruiting grounds but they do have a rich history and decent recruiting grounds. Better than Idaho.

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19 minutes ago, Wyobraska said:

It's a helluva lot easier to convince a kid to stay home and build up a local school than to go into a state like Florida and pull a kid out to go play somewhere in the Midwest or West to build up a crappy program.  

It might be a little easier... but the overwhelming point is that if you have a really good coaching staff at the college level, you are going to do well. There are dozens and dozens of really crappy football programs in good recruiting areas. And when they get a good coach and turn it around, they lose him and go right back to being crappy again. It's about the coaching at the college football level. Once you start winning it gets easier to get recruits anywhere. Boise hauls in one of the better classes annually (non-P5) and Idaho has one of the least fertile in-state recruiting grounds around.

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2 minutes ago, kingpotato said:

It might be a little easier... but the overwhelming point is that if you have a really good coaching staff at the college level, you are going to do well. There are dozens and dozens of really crappy football programs in good recruiting areas. And when they get a good coach and turn it around, they lose him and go right back to being crappy again. It's about the coaching at the college football level. Once you start winning it gets easier to get recruits anywhere. Boise hauls in one of the better classes annually (non-P5) and Idaho has one of the least fertile in-state recruiting grounds around.

Boise is also a booming little metropolis budding in the middle of nowhere. That has to be attractive to some recruits. In all seriousness, it’s a nice city and also larger than most G5 cities that host a college football team.

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10 minutes ago, LaradiseCowboy said:

They’ll do “well” but would they still have the same success wherever they go? Absolutely not. Nebraska may not have the best recruiting grounds but they do have a rich history and decent recruiting grounds. Better than Idaho.

I just answered that in the other one. Boise recruits better than all/most of the schools annually... and you're right. Idaho doesn't pump out great football talent.

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3 hours ago, LaradiseCowboy said:

Friday Five: The Group of Five teams most likely to earn a New Year's Six berth

1. Memphis

2. UCF

3. Boise State

4. FAU

5. Temple

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/friday-five-the-group-of-five-teams-most-likely-to-earn-a-new-years-six-berth/amp/

Also listed in the article:

Honorable Mention: Houston, Navy, Fresno State, Marshall

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8 minutes ago, LaradiseCowboy said:

Boise is also a booming little metropolis budding in the middle of nowhere. That has to be attractive to some recruits. In all seriousness, it’s a nice city and also larger than most G5 cities that host a college football team.

Boise has also always had massive administrative commitment to the program. That has remained through different Presidents and AD's. There are more important things that dictate success than fertile recruiting grounds. That helps, but that alone doesn't get you very far. Great coaching will lead to success anywhere.  

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24 minutes ago, kingpotato said:

Boise has also always had massive administrative commitment to the program. That has remained through different Presidents and AD's. There are more important things that dictate success than fertile recruiting grounds. That helps, but that alone doesn't get you very far. Great coaching will lead to success anywhere.  

Spoken from a purely Boise State perspective. 

Has FAU recently had a massive push for President and AD support? Maybe I’m missing something here. This is a genuine question...I don’t know very much about that program other than the fact one of my best friends graduated there and I talked crap after they lost to Wyoming!

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1 minute ago, LaradiseCowboy said:

Spoken from a purely Boise State perspective. 

Has FAU recently had a massive push for President and AD support? Maybe I’m missing something here. 

No clue... but they hired a good proven coach... that, like I said, always helps. Stick Lane Kiffen on any MAC team and he'd be doing well.

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2 minutes ago, kingpotato said:

No clue... but they hired a good proven coach... that, like I said, always helps. Stick Lane Kiffen on any MAC team and he'd be doing well.

Honestly what I think we’re really arguing here is sustained success vs. one-hit wonders. A good coaching staff can use a fertile recruiting ground to launch themselves to the next level in a relatively short fashion. That’s a tough task to accomplish in most of the fly-over states. 

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1 hour ago, LaradiseCowboy said:

Honestly what I think we’re really arguing here is sustained success vs. one-hit wonders. A good coaching staff can use a fertile recruiting ground to launch themselves to the next level in a relatively short fashion. That’s a tough task to accomplish in most of the fly-over states. 

BYU did it when they found the right coach in Levell Edwards. 

I will agree that if you are looking at catching lightening in a bottle and become the next Florida State or Miami that helps... but those schools were terrible until they found the right coach. They also got lucky that the state of Florida was massively underrepresented when it came to high end D-1 football.

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On 6/16/2018 at 7:15 PM, kingpotato said:

BYU did it when they found the right coach in Levell Edwards. 

I will agree that if you are looking at catching lightening in a bottle and become the next Florida State or Miami that helps... but those schools were terrible until they found the right coach. They also got lucky that the state of Florida was massively underrepresented when it came to high end D-1 football.

I don't like BYU as an example of this. 

BYU had recruited VASTLY inferior raw-athletes during their tear through the rankings in the early 1980s. With the geeked-up Air Raid offense that few opponents seemed to have any clue how to defend, they basically played next to no D and simply outscored everyone.

Edwards was a great coach- he's NCAA Hall of Fame IIRC, but his status as a great coach didn't translate into recruiting much better athletes, just good solid LDS players with a high football IQ and who bought into his system 110%, for the most part.

 

BYU is just wierd that way, and was wierder that way back in the day than they are in more recent years. They get a lot more recruits with better athletic skills, many of whom aren't even LDS now; that wasn't the case in the 80s and 90s.

 

Once everyone caught-on to how to defend the Air Raid with extra DB sets & faster LBs who could pass-cover, BYU had to switch offenses, and that huge "scheme advantage" was gone forever.

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