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The wrongest thing I've ever read.  I actually feel bad for the guy who wrote this.

https://sports.vice.com/en_us/article/ev43m7/the-golden-knights-werent-the-only-losers-in-the-expansion-draft

A few excerpts for your reading pleasure:

 

"There's no point in avoiding the obvious: following Wednesday's expansion draft, the Vegas Golden Knights are about as bad as an NHL team can be. We knew the Knights would be bad, but no one believed the Knights would be this bad."

 

"Oh, James. You poor, poor bastard. Two weeks ago, you were a bounce or two from winning the Stanley Cup. Now you're staring down the possibility of multiple seasons on a losing team with Cody Eakin as your center."

 

"As Calvin Pickard skates onto the ice to replace Fleury with the Knights down 5-0 to the Avalanche six minutes into the first period, regret washes over you. We skipped Cirque Du Soleil for this? You go to ask the fans sitting around you if the team is always this bad, when it hits you like a face card when you hit on 12: everyone else at the game is also there because someone gave them free tickets.

You and the family decide to bail after the first period. Weeks later, you're having dinner with two other couples. You spend 45 minutes trashing the NHL. This happens all over the world for the next year. Eventually, the bad word of mouth about the product sinks the Knights. Later, the NHL."

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I came over to park that link, lol, so thanks. I remember that sentiment was widespread, so to now see jackoffs insisting the draft was rigged in the knights' favor is even funnier.

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thelawlorfaithful, on 31 Dec 2012 - 04:01 AM, said:One of the rules I live by: never underestimate a man in a dandy looking sweater

 

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6 hours ago, Lester_in_reno said:

1. OK, did anyone here have the Knights in the Stanley cup finals?

 

 

What a great job.


Anyone who says they got an advantage with  too many good players in the expansion draft is stupid.
2. Someone else made them all available.

1. Of course not, but that wasn't the point of the piece. He said the Knights would be so bad they would end the NHL. Yeah, I know he was being silly, but still.

2. That's a really good point.

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I'll make a prediction for the Stanley Cup finals - Vegas wins it all in six games. I didn't think the Golden Knights would get anywhere near this far, so congratulations to them!

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So are NHL teams just terrible at evaluating talent or what?

Remember that every argument you have with someone on MWCboard is actually the continuation of a different argument they had with someone else also on MWCboard. 

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1 hour ago, happycamper said:

So are NHL teams just terrible at evaluating talent or what?

I'm far from an expert, but outside of Fleury (which is a big exception since he's been so critical to VGK's playoff success), I don't think the Knight's season has been because of their talent level. It seems to me that the team has truly bought in to the system and each and every line plays their asses off, all the time. They've bought into Gallant's system and truly play for each other every night. It sounds corny, I know, but I've watched these guys all season and they play as a team better than anyone else in the league.

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I don’t watch hockey but it’s probably good for the sport that the expansion franchise was able to compete right away. I’d argue that expansion teams should be given advantages over other teams - able to poach stars, even. That’s not exactly fair, but if the goal is to energize a new market around your sport, the nhl has certainly succeeded. 

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1 hour ago, SJSUMFA2013 said:

I don’t watch hockey but it’s probably good for the sport that the expansion franchise was able to compete right away. I’d argue that expansion teams should be given advantages over other teams - able to poach stars, even. That’s not exactly fair, but if the goal is to energize a new market around your sport, the nhl has certainly succeeded. 

Agree with that. With all I've read, the expansion draft rules were set up so that VGK had the opportunity to be simply competitive. No one expected this outcome.

As to building a fan base - it is amazing to see how this has played out. Everyone in Las Vegas, and I mean that literally, is engaged with this team. Young kids throughout the valley have been turned into lifelong hockey fans because of this team. Adults who probably never watched hockey in their life now are passionate fans who can explain icing, offsides and now opine about the merits of one line over another. It is quite remarkable how much winning can do to build a fan base from literally nothing. This has been a homerun for the NHL. Will be interesting to see how this plays with Seattle in a couple of years.

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2 hours ago, CasperCowboy said:

 It seems to me that the team has truly bought in to the system and each and every line plays their asses off, all the time. They've bought into Gallant's system and truly play for each other every night. It sounds corny, I know, but I've watched these guys all season and they play as a team better than anyone else in the league.

Agree.

IMO the LVGK are really great at the extra stride to anticipate receiving or blocking a pass.

That's just *@ ^#^#$$% hustle and focus. Like they are on a mission.

 

(Ive been watching hockey for a loooonnng time )

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On 5/21/2018 at 11:01 PM, toonkee said:

The wrongest thing I've ever read.  I actually feel bad for the guy who wrote this.

https://sports.vice.com/en_us/article/ev43m7/the-golden-knights-werent-the-only-losers-in-the-expansion-draft

A few excerpts for your reading pleasure:

 

"There's no point in avoiding the obvious: following Wednesday's expansion draft, the Vegas Golden Knights are about as bad as an NHL team can be. We knew the Knights would be bad, but no one believed the Knights would be this bad."

 

"Oh, James. You poor, poor bastard. Two weeks ago, you were a bounce or two from winning the Stanley Cup. Now you're staring down the possibility of multiple seasons on a losing team with Cody Eakin as your center."

 

"As Calvin Pickard skates onto the ice to replace Fleury with the Knights down 5-0 to the Avalanche six minutes into the first period, regret washes over you. We skipped Cirque Du Soleil for this? You go to ask the fans sitting around you if the team is always this bad, when it hits you like a face card when you hit on 12: everyone else at the game is also there because someone gave them free tickets.

You and the family decide to bail after the first period. Weeks later, you're having dinner with two other couples. You spend 45 minutes trashing the NHL. This happens all over the world for the next year. Eventually, the bad word of mouth about the product sinks the Knights. Later, the NHL."

Probably that is the reason he writes for Vice sports, whoever the hell that is. I remember after the draft reading article after article about the talent that was out there Vegas got, good right ups about the coaches they hired and how everyone was on the same page and only wanted players that were going to buy into the system. Hell some articles I read talked about how the writers wouldn't be surprised if Vegas did make the playoffs especially if everyone bought into the system they were going to put in.

Stanley Cup finals? I don't know about that but after the first series in the playoffs, at some casinos Knights did become a co-favorite to win the Stanley Cup. I think there was an article that came out in Vegas on how the Sports Books might lose big if the Knights were to win the whole thing.

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5 hours ago, happycamper said:

So are NHL teams just terrible at evaluating talent or what?

McPhee played 3D chess against the other GMs by agreeing to take on a player's contract a certain team no longer wanted, in exchange for leaing a player available in the expansion draft who otherwise may not have been made available.  Most teams are willing to give up a decent player in return for unloading a contract they no longer want.  Then he was able to move most of those bad contracts on by including draft picks, which freed up money to buy Tatar and Reaves.  McPhee played it as well as it could have possibly been done.

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6 hours ago, happycamper said:

So are NHL teams just terrible at evaluating talent or what?

 

3 hours ago, CasperCowboy said:

Agree with that. With all I've read, the expansion draft rules were set up so that VGK had the opportunity to be simply competitive. No one expected this outcome.

As to building a fan base - it is amazing to see how this has played out. Everyone in Las Vegas, and I mean that literally, is engaged with this team. Young kids throughout the valley have been turned into lifelong hockey fans because of this team. Adults who probably never watched hockey in their life now are passionate fans who can explain icing, offsides and now opine about the merits of one line over another. It is quite remarkable how much winning can do to build a fan base from literally nothing. This has been a homerun for the NHL. Will be interesting to see how this plays with Seattle in a couple of years.

Definitely, we educated ourselves throughout the year, and now I feel like the NBA is slow, lol. 

 

1 hour ago, RoscoesDad said:

McPhee played 3D chess against the other GMs by agreeing to take on a player's contract a certain team no longer wanted, in exchange for leaing a player available in the expansion draft who otherwise may not have been made available.  Most teams are willing to give up a decent player in return for unloading a contract they no longer want.  Then he was able to move most of those bad contracts on by including draft picks, which freed up money to buy Tatar and Reaves.  McPhee played it as well as it could have possibly been done.

McPhee was a genius...

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5 hours ago, CasperCowboy said:

I'm far from an expert, but outside of Fleury (which is a big exception since he's been so critical to VGK's playoff success), I don't think the Knight's season has been because of their talent level. It seems to me that the team has truly bought in to the system and each and every line plays their asses off, all the time. They've bought into Gallant's system and truly play for each other every night. It sounds corny, I know, but I've watched these guys all season and they play as a team better than anyone else in the league.

I agree with the exception of William Karlsson. The Columbus Blue Jackets clearly had no idea of his talent level. I would also say that the top line (Smith, Karlsson, Marchessault) is among the most talented in the NHL. They are also looking at a few breakout stars in Shea Theodore and Alex Tuch in the near future.

But yeah beyond those guys, also Fleury and James Neal, VGK does not have a ton of talent. Just hard-working REALLY smart hockey players. A few are playing well above their normal and may come back down to earth next season, but I think VGK will be a force in the Pacific for a long time. They will be a threat to win the division as long as Fleury stays on top of his game. Probably another 4-5 years. Hopefully by that time Subban will have developed or we would have drafted a stud replacement.

1 hour ago, RoscoesDad said:

McPhee played 3D chess against the other GMs by agreeing to take on a player's contract a certain team no longer wanted, in exchange for leaing a player available in the expansion draft who otherwise may not have been made available.  Most teams are willing to give up a decent player in return for unloading a contract they no longer want.  Then he was able to move most of those bad contracts on by including draft picks, which freed up money to buy Tatar and Reaves.  McPhee played it as well as it could have possibly been done.

He nailed the expansion draft for sure. Special shout out to Florida and Minnesota. Plus that he was able to pick up one of the best coaches in the NHL shouldn't be overlooked. His trade deadline moves were really iffy though. Tatar looks like a big overpay, but hopefully he finds his way next season.

I kinda feel for Seattle. There's no way they come close to this even with the same expansion rules. The number of things that fell into place for VGK's success to happen is staggering.

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3 hours ago, CasperCowboy said:

Agree with that. With all I've read, the expansion draft rules were set up so that VGK had the opportunity to be simply competitive. No one expected this outcome.

As to building a fan base - it is amazing to see how this has played out. Everyone in Las Vegas, and I mean that literally, is engaged with this team. Young kids throughout the valley have been turned into lifelong hockey fans because of this team. Adults who probably never watched hockey in their life now are passionate fans who can explain icing, offsides and now opine about the merits of one line over another. It is quite remarkable how much winning can do to build a fan base from literally nothing. This has been a homerun for the NHL. Will be interesting to see how this plays with Seattle in a couple of years.

Vegas is insane for the Knights right now. This is literally what 1988-1990 felt like. I honestly think this ends up hurting the Raiders. Locals are already saying they prefer the Knights because they were "Vegas Born" and the Raiders will always feel like a transplant who is just using us for a new arena. Will be interesting to see if that changes after they arrive.

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14 minutes ago, SharkTanked said:

Vegas is insane for the Knights right now. This is literally what 1988-1990 felt like. I honestly think this ends up hurting the Raiders. Locals are already saying they prefer the Knights because they were "Vegas Born" and the Raiders will always feel like a transplant who is just using us for a new arena. Will be interesting to see if that changes after they arrive.

I am sure the Raiders will sell out pretty much every game, but I don't see the locals buying into them like VGK .  I personally will never be able to root for the Raiders.  Their fans are the worst in American sports and are going to cause real issues on the Strip during game weekends.  I really wish we would have done this with the Chargers instead.  I could have bought into them.  Either that or re-brand the Raiders into a new franchise ala Browns/Ravens.

On the flip, I thnk the VGK success this year is going to speed up getting an NBA franchise.  It's a basketball town and potential owners have to be salivating about gettting a franchise here stat after seeing the support VGK has gotten from locals.  I originally thought VGK may hurt our NBA chances, but hey....winning every freaking game out of the chute does wonders for support.  It is quite frankly, an unexpected gift to the city in more ways than just VGK.

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