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If done right, Could "The Mtn." have worked and made the MWC stronger?

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Question...

The timing of the old MWC's "The Mtn." Network was so ahead of the curve. It's a shame that it wasn't taken advantage of to set up the conference going forward.

I realize that many of the teams in the MWC weren't on board when "The Mtn." was created... But...

If the network had been more efficient, and BYU didn't feel alienated but empowered... Would the conference look a lot different now? And, by extension, would the TV deal be more lucrative?

A successful "The Mtn." network with BYU in the mix could have conceivably steered realignment.

- It wasn't until September 1, 2010, that BYU pulled out and became and Independent. 

- It wasn't until December of 2011 that Boise and SDSU fled to the Big East (now AAC).

 Would a successful "Mtn. Network" (with BYU involved) have been enough to keep Boise and SDSU in place? And, by extension, kept the membership numbers in check, so that poorly-supported members were not added?

I seem to remember "The Mtn." and its operation being a huge burr in the saddle of BYU's fanbase. 

After UTAH and TCU (2010) departed, couldn't a successful conference with an established "The Mtn. Network," been strong enough to pull much better members from the AAC/Big East after the Big 12,B1G, and ACC, poached them of TCU, Rutgers, and Louisville.

Imagine a MWC today that had BYU, Houston, and SMU. Imagine an MWC today without that ridiculous Boise Sweetheart Deal. That could've happened if "The Mtn." was pulled off.

"The Mtn." could have worked with additional population centers in Houston and Dallas. The competitive composition of the conference would be much more compelling TV if that type of expansion was successful... (instead of the survival-motivated expansion that was triggered by Boise-SDSU bolting)

TODAY, "The Mtn." conceivably could be established as a successful network with a brand that stands along side the others. The timing was perfect.

Admittedly, a lot of you guys wouldn't be here if it had worked though. 

It's not a stretch to say that the MWC would be making its case to be part of the autonomy group if they had pulled it off.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MountainWest_Sports_Network

The Mtn. premiered on September 1, 2006 as the first network dedicated to a college athletic conference – the Division I Mountain West Conference (MWC). The Mtn. annually produced and aired more than 170 collegiate sporting events, including football, basketball, Olympic sports, and conference championship coverage. The Mtn.’s expanded coverage included news programming, coaches’ shows, pre and post game analysis and feature programming about MWC athletics. The Mtn. was owned by the conference, Comcast, and CBS Corporation. Despite CBS owning the largest stake, Comcast handled much of its operation.

Closure
Further information: 2010–13 Mountain West Conference realignment
On April 5, 2012 it was announced that the Mtn. would cease operations on June 1, 2012.[2] With the Mtn.'s closure, the Mountain West had not announced formal broadcast plans for 2012–2013, though a Colorado Springs Gazette report suggested that some MWC games might be picked up by CBS Sports Network and/or NBC Sports Network, or offered to a third party such as ESPN.[3] Eventually all three networks picked up some MWC games while Root Sports Rocky Mountain picked up a cable package of games. Additional games were shown on Comcast, Time Warner, and Charter Cable Networks or on third tier local stations.

By 2016, Campus Insiders (now a component of Stadium) had relaunched the similarly named "Mountain West Network" online as a subscription service.

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The one word answer to your question is 'no'.

 

 

What killed The Mtn wasnt BYU getting butthurt and leaving.  Or TCU and Utah leaving. (Those just hastened the demise).  It wasnt production value, or scheduling.  It was really simple - there simply wasnt enough interest to drive distribution, and thus revenues.  The league presidents knew that long before the departures started.  And even a successful (however one may define it) network wouldnt have kept Utah and TCU around, because they got invites to the big table.  'Imagine a conference with BYU, Houston and SMU'?  As opposed to BYU, Utah and TCU?  At BEST thats a trade off (The Mtn HAD distribution in Texas so UH and SMU would have added nothing), and it certainly wouldnt have been enough to increase distribution beyond the conference's footprint at the time.  Best case scenario, had the conference stayed stable, maybe added Boise, The Mtn would have survived to supplement the league's TV coffers on a limited basis.  But if P12N can only produce a couple million a year per school, the idea that a surviving Mtn would have reached even that level strains credibility.

 

 

Dont get me wrong - I LOVED The Mtn.  It was ahead of its time, and it allowed me to watch far more live events (not just football) than had ever been possible before.  But it was hamstrung by limited interest.  P12N is learning that even now, and they have much larger fan bases and brand name schools.  Look how hard its been for the ACC to get their network off the ground, and I suspect their level of success will be closer to P12N than it will BTN and SECN.

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57 minutes ago, CullenBohanon said:

Question...

The timing of the old MWC's "The Mtn." Network was so ahead of the curve. It's a shame that it wasn't taken advantage of to set up the conference going forward.

I realize that many of the teams in the MWC weren't on board when "The Mtn." was created... But...

If the network had been more efficient, and BYU didn't feel alienated but empowered... Would the conference look a lot different now? And, by extension, would the TV deal be more lucrative?

A successful "The Mtn." network with BYU in the mix could have conceivably steered realignment.

- It wasn't until September 1, 2010, that BYU pulled out and became and Independent. 

- It wasn't until December of 2011 that Boise and SDSU fled to the Big East (now AAC).

 Would a successful "Mtn. Network" (with BYU involved) have been enough to keep Boise and SDSU in place? And, by extension, kept the membership numbers in check, so that poorly-supported members were not added?

I seem to remember "The Mtn." and its operation being a huge burr in the saddle of BYU's fanbase. 

After UTAH and TCU (2010) departed, couldn't a successful conference with an established "The Mtn. Network," been strong enough to pull much better members from the AAC/Big East after the Big 12,B1G, and ACC, poached them of TCU, Rutgers, and Louisville.

Imagine a MWC today that had BYU, Houston, and SMU. Imagine an MWC today without that ridiculous Boise Sweetheart Deal. That could've happened if "The Mtn." was pulled off.

"The Mtn." could have worked with additional population centers in Houston and Dallas. The competitive composition of the conference would be much more compelling TV if that type of expansion was successful... (instead of the survival-motivated expansion that was triggered by Boise-SDSU bolting)

TODAY, "The Mtn." conceivably could be established as a successful network with a brand that stands along side the others. The timing was perfect.

Admittedly, a lot of you guys wouldn't be here if it had worked though. 

It's not a stretch to say that the MWC would be making its case to be part of the autonomy group if they had pulled it off.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MountainWest_Sports_Network

The Mtn. premiered on September 1, 2006 as the first network dedicated to a college athletic conference – the Division I Mountain West Conference (MWC). The Mtn. annually produced and aired more than 170 collegiate sporting events, including football, basketball, Olympic sports, and conference championship coverage. The Mtn.’s expanded coverage included news programming, coaches’ shows, pre and post game analysis and feature programming about MWC athletics. The Mtn. was owned by the conference, Comcast, and CBS Corporation. Despite CBS owning the largest stake, Comcast handled much of its operation.

Closure
Further information: 2010–13 Mountain West Conference realignment
On April 5, 2012 it was announced that the Mtn. would cease operations on June 1, 2012.[2] With the Mtn.'s closure, the Mountain West had not announced formal broadcast plans for 2012–2013, though a Colorado Springs Gazette report suggested that some MWC games might be picked up by CBS Sports Network and/or NBC Sports Network, or offered to a third party such as ESPN.[3] Eventually all three networks picked up some MWC games while Root Sports Rocky Mountain picked up a cable package of games. Additional games were shown on Comcast, Time Warner, and Charter Cable Networks or on third tier local stations.

By 2016, Campus Insiders (now a component of Stadium) had relaunched the similarly named "Mountain West Network" online as a subscription service.

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2 hours ago, RSF said:

The one word answer to your question is 'no'.

 

 

What killed The Mtn wasnt BYU getting butthurt and leaving.  Or TCU and Utah leaving. (Those just hastened the demise).  It wasnt production value, or scheduling.  It was really simple - there simply wasnt enough interest to drive distribution, and thus revenues.  The league presidents knew that long before the departures started.  And even a successful (however one may define it) network wouldnt have kept Utah and TCU around, because they got invites to the big table.  'Imagine a conference with BYU, Houston and SMU'?  As opposed to BYU, Utah and TCU?  At BEST thats a trade off (The Mtn HAD distribution in Texas so UH and SMU would have added nothing), and it certainly wouldnt have been enough to increase distribution beyond the conference's footprint at the time.  Best case scenario, had the conference stayed stable, maybe added Boise, The Mtn would have survived to supplement the league's TV coffers on a limited basis.  But if P12N can only produce a couple million a year per school, the idea that a surviving Mtn would have reached even that level strains credibility.

 

 

Dont get me wrong - I LOVED The Mtn.  It was ahead of its time, and it allowed me to watch far more live events (not just football) than had ever been possible before.  But it was hamstrung by limited interest.  P12N is learning that even now, and they have much larger fan bases and brand name schools.  Look how hard its been for the ACC to get their network off the ground, and I suspect their level of success will be closer to P12N than it will BTN and SECN.

Two bad things happened.

1.  We had Hair Thompson doing the media negotiations.  End of story.

2.  As a result all The MTN coverage was in Utah.  Not the population centers where TCU, SDSU and UNLV resides.  Those Mormon commercials we had to watch were really insufferable. LOL

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1 hour ago, WilliamHicks said:

If done right, I think Pornhub.com could carry our games and make us a lot of money. 

You know you joke about that, but that could be a very good creative idea. Not family friendly per se, but could really boost clicks and viewership. With all the talk of needing lube for football games, it makes sense. 

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26 minutes ago, aztech said:

Two bad things happened.

1.  We had Hair Thompson doing the media negotiations.  End of story.

2.  As a result all The MTN coverage was in Utah.  Not the population centers where TCU, SDSU and UNLV resides.  Those Mormon commercials we had to watch were really insufferable. LOL

 

 

Wrong on both counts.

 

I'm convinced if Craig Thompson cured cancer, MWC fans would bitch that he didnt do it fast enough.  And The Mtn didnt fail because of him.  It failed for the previously mentioned reasons, which he had no control over.

I'm in DFW and saw LOTS of TCU stuff.  Yeah, the Utah-centric commercials were, er, interesting, but it was hardly surprising with 2 large, successful, well-supported programs that they got a lot of play.

In the beginning the Universe was created.
This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.

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8 minutes ago, RSF said:

 

 

Wrong on both counts.

 

I'm convinced if Craig Thompson cured cancer, MWC fans would bitch that he didnt do it fast enough.  And The Mtn didnt fail because of him.  It failed for the previously mentioned reasons, which he had no control over.

I'm in DFW and saw LOTS of TCU stuff.  Yeah, the Utah-centric commercials were, er, interesting, but it was hardly surprising with 2 large, successful, well-supported programs that they got a lot of play.

You saw them on The MTN, on Time Warner?      

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4 hours ago, CullenBohanon said:

A successful "The Mtn." with BYU could have conceivably steered realignment.- It wasn't until September 1, 2010, that BYU pulled out

If only your father had pulled out before he did . . .

Boom goes the dynamite.

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52 minutes ago, madmartigan said:

You know you joke about that, but that could be a very good creative idea. Not family friendly per se, but could really boost clicks and viewership. With all the talk of needing lube for football games, it makes sense. 

Pornhub is "quietly" one of the most visited websites in the world. It's the one website that most everyone visits (women included) but you never hear anyone talk about it. 

And they share a ton of stats. The most popular search terms in the South East USA crack me up. 

And Wyoming? "Furry"??  LOL LOL HA HA HA 

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13 minutes ago, WilliamHicks said:

Pornhub is "quietly" one of the most visited websites in the world. It's the one website that most everyone visits (women included) but you never hear anyone talk about it. 

And they share a ton of stats. The most popular search terms in the South East USA crack me up. 

And Wyoming? "Furry"??  LOL LOL HA HA HA 

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Seriously Wyoming...smh.

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29 minutes ago, WilliamHicks said:

Pornhub is "quietly" one of the most visited websites in the world. It's the one website that most everyone visits (women included) but you never hear anyone talk about it. 

And they share a ton of stats. The most popular search terms in the South East USA crack me up. 

And Wyoming? "Furry"??  LOL LOL HA HA HA 

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Anybody else have to google "hentai"?

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On 5/10/2018 at 4:13 PM, aztech said:

Two bad things happened.

1.  We had Hair Thompson doing the media negotiations.  End of story.

2.  As a result all The MTN coverage was in Utah.  Not the population centers where TCU, SDSU and UNLV resides.  Those Mormon commercials we had to watch were really insufferable. LOL

 

I think if the Mtn. HAD survived... AND the current bottom dwellers were never invited, and Houston/SMU got spots...

IS THERE ANY DOUBT GONZAGA AND WICHITA STATE COULD'VE BEEN BROUGHT IN WITH A BASKETBALL SHARE?

And, with Boise kept in check from their outrageous deals, you suddenly have the makings of a Western Big East type conference...

I'd imagine that the basketball rights alone would've helped launch the network...

 

That being said, it never happened and Gonzaga wanted no part of the SJSUs...

 

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