halfmanhalfbronco Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 http://news.northeastern.edu/2018/02/schools-are-still-one-of-the-safest-places-for-children-researcher-says/ Really good read, not political. I liked this part at the end as well In addition to being ineffective, Fox said increased security measures of these kinds can do more harm than good. He called the suggestion to arm teachers “absurd” and “over the top.”“I’m not a big fan of making schools look like fortresses, because they send a message to kids that the bad guy is coming for you—if we’re surrounding you with security, you must have a bull’s-eye on your back,” Fox said. “That can actually instill fear, not relieve it.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HR_Poke Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 Interesting article. My own experience with the media since Columbine led me to believe they were increasing. But that's not the case via the statistics. Be interesting to read their methodology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halfmanhalfbronco Posted February 28, 2018 Author Share Posted February 28, 2018 26 minutes ago, HR_Poke said: Interesting article. My own experience with the media since Columbine led me to believe they were increasing. But that's not the case via the statistics. Be interesting to read their methodology. The first thing that struck me about the article was the sourcing. Northeastern is a very well respected university and this was not an article written with a political slant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HR_Poke Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 4 minutes ago, halfmanhalfbronco said: The first thing that struck me about the article was the source. Northeastern is a very well respected university and this was not an article written with a political slant. Yeah. They had an eclectic group of sources in there too. Should be fairly balanced statistical bias wise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluerules009 Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 You think the mentally emotionally crippled like @jackmormon, @Boise fanare going to care about facts? The gun debate on the left has nothing to do with facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halfmanhalfbronco Posted February 28, 2018 Author Share Posted February 28, 2018 Fear sells. "Our kids are being gunned down" is the new "Muslims are scary". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happycamper Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 School rampage shootings are the only thing that disproportionately affects suburban white people. White suburbs are where the media and political elite come from, and is where their kids go to school, so that's what they are scared of. Remember that every argument you have with someone on MWCboard is actually the continuation of a different argument they had with someone else also on MWCboard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSUTOP25 Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 18 minutes ago, happycamper said: School rampage shootings are the only thing that disproportionately affects suburban white people. White suburbs are where the media and political elite come from, and is where their kids go to school, so that's what they are scared of. This is a very valid point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edluvar Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 11 hours ago, halfmanhalfbronco said: Fear sells. "Our kids are being gunned down" is the new "Muslims are scary". Whatever happened to illegals are raping and killing Americans at a record rate? I loved that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HR_Poke Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 4 hours ago, happycamper said: School rampage shootings are the only thing that disproportionately affects suburban white people. White suburbs are where the media and political elite come from, and is where their kids go to school, so that's what they are scared of. White privilege Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happycamper Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 8 minutes ago, HR_Poke said: White privilege To worry about mass shootings instead of the what, 50 times more common drug or gang related homicide? Remember that every argument you have with someone on MWCboard is actually the continuation of a different argument they had with someone else also on MWCboard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lester_in_reno Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 ok, so the issue about legally selling assault weapons to 18 year old mentally ill people should "go away"? And we need bump stocks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halfmanhalfbronco Posted February 28, 2018 Author Share Posted February 28, 2018 3 hours ago, Lester_in_reno said: ok, so the issue about legally selling assault weapons to 18 year old mentally ill people should "go away"? And we need bump stocks. No, just that you are being lied to about this being an epidemic. You are buying fear and drinking it by the pitcher. Your thoughts are not based in the reality of the situation. Ban bump stocks and raise the age limit. It will not make a difference or even a tiny dent in gun violence but will raise the morale of the country so it is worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HR_Poke Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 28 minutes ago, happycamper said: To worry about mass shootings instead of the what, 50 times more common drug or gang related homicide? yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluerules009 Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 1 hour ago, Lester_in_reno said: ok, so the issue about legally selling assault weapons to 18 year old mentally ill people should "go away"? And we need bump stocks. Then you will want to ban something else and on and on until you get everything banned. Mental emotional cripples like you need to calm the fuck down and take your Valium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lester_in_reno Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 1 hour ago, bluerules009 said: Then you will want to ban something else and on and on until you get everything banned. Mental emotional cripples like you need to calm the fuck down and take your Valium. LMAO! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NMpackalum Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 20 hours ago, halfmanhalfbronco said: http://news.northeastern.edu/2018/02/schools-are-still-one-of-the-safest-places-for-children-researcher-says/ Really good read, not political. I liked this part at the end as well In addition to being ineffective, Fox said increased security measures of these kinds can do more harm than good. He called the suggestion to arm teachers “absurd” and “over the top.”“I’m not a big fan of making schools look like fortresses, because they send a message to kids that the bad guy is coming for you—if we’re surrounding you with security, you must have a bull’s-eye on your back,” Fox said. “That can actually instill fear, not relieve it.” For me, articles like this lose their validity when compared to the original study when they add quotes that aren't supported by the study. This is a retrospective analysis and there isn't anything in the study design where they can claim that increased security measures can do more harm than good or that extra security can instill fear or not relieve it. This is like Climate Change reporting claiming that 97 percent of climate scientists believe in man made global warming when the original article doesn't claim anything of the sort or that the oceans might rise 3 feet if we don't stop fracking. The premise of the article is fine about school safety compared to other activities but injecting unsubstantiated opinion introduces bias from the reporter and author of the study. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebelbacker Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 4 hours ago, happycamper said: To worry about mass shootings instead of the what, 50 times more common drug or gang related homicide? Haven't you realized no one cares about those? Those are poor brown people being killed. CNN isn't doing a town hall on that. 300 people a year are killed by rifles and 5500 are killed by handguns but that AR-15 is the problem. Policy suggestions now are being based on emotion and not reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSUTOP25 Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 56 minutes ago, Rebelbacker said: 300 people a year are killed by rifles and 5500 are killed by handguns but that AR-15 is the problem. Alcohol kills 482 Americans every 48 hours but none of these lefties seem to want to ban it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluerules009 Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 2 hours ago, NMpackalum said: For me, articles like this lose their validity when compared to the original study when they add quotes that aren't supported by the study. This is a retrospective analysis and there isn't anything in the study design where they can claim that increased security measures can do more harm than good or that extra security can instill fear or not relieve it. This is like Climate Change reporting claiming that 97 percent of climate scientists believe in man made global warming when the original article doesn't claim anything of the sort or that the oceans might rise 3 feet if we don't stop fracking. The premise of the article is fine about school safety compared to other activities but injecting unsubstantiated opinion introduces bias from the reporter and author of the study. It is called social science, you inject some statistics that mean nothing and produce any opinion you desire in your snowflake little heart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...