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and there's the Rick Gates guilty plea

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A former top adviser to Donald J. Trump's presidential campaign indicted by the special counsel was expected to plea guilty as soon as Friday afternoon, according to two people familiar with his plea agreement a move that signals he is cooperating with the investigation into Russia's interference in the 2012 election. 

The adviser, Rick Gates, is a longtime political consultant who once served as Mr. Trump's deputy campaign chairman. The plea deal could be a significant development in the investigation --- a sign that Mr. Gates plans to offer incriminating information against his longtime associate and the former campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, or other members of the Trump campaign in exchange for a lighter punishment. 

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/23/us/politics/rick-gates-guilty-plea-mueller-investigation.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=span-ab-top-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&mtrref=www.nytimes.com

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I wonder how the Trump administration is going to try and reframe exactly who Gates was in the campaign. They can't claim he was a "coffee boy" like Papadopolous. They can't say that he wasn't there very long like they did with Flynn. They can't even claim that he didn't take part in anything, because he was the Deputy Chairman of the campaign, and served on the transition team.

This could prove key....

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It also might explain why the superseding indictment was filed yesterday.... it included crimes committed during Gates' time in the campaign.

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Mueller is laying a solid foundation for his entire case - The trump fans can't grasp the bigger picture of what's going on with this whole investigation

1) He's proven there was ties to Russians - even if there's no court action this has even caused Trump to stop claiming he or his clan / camp met with Russians, now all trump can scream is no collusion (see the right wing responses throughout this board for the "same think" going on in the alternate reality)

2) As the GUILTY pleas come in, Mueller is working from low to high getting pleas and the ensuing testimony that will make the dominoes fall. He has two pretty solid GUILTY pleas already and this Gates plea could prompt Manafort to reconsider his options, especially now that additional charges have been added to Manafort - between Gates & Manafort there are 58 criminal charges and if manafort wants to gamble he can beat them & loses, Manafort might end up with defacto life sentence, so don't be surprised if Manafort starts talking and making deals that will bring heat on some other big names 

This is a long game and just like in construction to start with ground work and a foundation............it's going to get interesting to see what other names come into light & how much they scramble to cover their butts 

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7 minutes ago, AndroidAggie said:

is this just a big nothing sandwich to you?  partisan histrionics?  what is your take on it?  if you have stated it before i missed it

It’s a political witch hunt...  just like all the server BS with Clinton was before you assume I’m just looking through partisan goggles.  Nothing came of the latter and nothing will come of the Russian Collusion nonsense.  When all they have after almost a year and a half is some bad behavior from 10+ years ago and some lying to the FBI that’s pretty telling.  If there was any hard evidence to support collusion it would’ve come out by now.

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3 minutes ago, UNLV2001 said:

MUELLER PROBE by the numbers:
- 19 indictments or pleas
- 5 guilty pleas
- 4 cooperators
Guilty Pleas:
- Rick Gates
- George Papadopoulos
- Ret. Gen. Michael Flynn
- Richard “Ricky” Pinedo
- Alex van der Zwaan

0 evidence of Trump/Russia collusion

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11 minutes ago, NorCalCoug said:

It’s a political witch hunt...  just like all the server BS with Clinton was before you assume I’m just looking through partisan goggles.  Nothing came of the latter and nothing will come of the Russian Collusion nonsense.  When all they have after almost a year and a half is some bad behavior from 10+ years ago and some lying to the FBI that’s pretty telling.  If there was any hard evidence to support collusion it would’ve come out by now.

i disagree that it's like clinton's email servers but let's assume for the moment it is -- then what do you get out of shouting out "russian collusion!" 

it's not like it hurts you to have other people have the conversation.  why make that kind of contribution?

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1 minute ago, NorCalCoug said:

And ZERO evidence of Trump/Russia collusion...

And there might not be........the end game could be something else.............this is what you trump fans can't grasp 

But for RW talking points, you are doing a fine job & Hannity et al would be proud of your work & endless effort  !!! 

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The people around Trump are/were shady af and this reflects quite poorly on his administration, whether Trump was a willful colluder or not. The people around him were full of foreign money and likely foreign influence.  Can you imagine a CEO surviving this when a handful of other officers in the corporation were brought up on fraud and money laundering charges? Ya know, everybody claims the wants the government run more like a business these days.

 

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32 minutes ago, toonkee said:

The people around Trump are/were shady af and this reflects quite poorly on his administration, whether Trump was a willful colluder or not. The people around him were full of foreign money and likely foreign influence.  Can you imagine a CEO surviving this when a handful of other officers in the corporation were brought up on fraud and money laundering charges? Ya know, everybody claims the wants the government run more like a business these days.

 

My worthless opinion of all this Russian stuff is:

1) Trump is and has been pretty much out of US based banking options for loans on his buildings, so he probably looked into foreign and thus Russian backed funding for his projects. At the time Trump wasn't running or in office so those dealings are basically subject to international banking laws 

2) Trump ran and won - Now his ties to foreign backed lenders IS AN ISSUE where it might not have been - There's potential for compromise and even blackmail by foreign interests. Trump was probably too stupid to see this issue becoming a problem if he won the White House and probably thought he would lose and then it would be business as usual for him & the clan.........thus the reason Trump didn't, wouldn't and won't release his tax returns 

3) It's been known openly and admitted by Trump spawn that Russian banks & billionaires were the TRUMP LLC financing vehicles.............easy to find

4) Manafort was involved in Ukraine with that political scandal broke open - Manfort was paid millions, then suddenly Manafort, who never had much activity in running national elections is suddenly (with little to no experience) tabbed to be the Trump Campaign Manager!! How did that little deal come about?!?! And what was behind the property deal where trump sold a FLA house to a rich Russian for 3 times the going market value in a here's the payoff Donald type of transaction??

5) It's known that the Trump camp met with Russians under the guise of "adoptions" to hold meetings to get dirt on HRC. Nefarious? Who knows, wait till Trump Junior gets indicted (perhaps)

6) During his entire time in office, there is one or two things Trump NEVER blames or mentions when he tweets about this whole thing.......Trump won't mention Russia or Putin, but everything he does blame and accuse is American based - This alone is just strange and somewhat telling

Bottom line..........this entire investigation might not even come close to collusion...........this could be a huge money laundering, tax fraud & banking fraud scam - and Trump & his fan base are probably too clueless to grasp that they are watching one door while Mueller & team will probably come busting in 2 to 4 other doors they aren't paying attention to - it's obvious Mueller is sending open messages to those yet to come under scrutiny that they had best get their stories straight as Mueller & team climb the ladder of those involved.........and as the guilty pleas come in and deals are made, those who are yet to make deals will find them tougher to make as time goes on and eventually towards the end there will be NO deals to be made for the final players.

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46 minutes ago, UNLV2001 said:

MUELLER PROBE by the numbers:
- 19 indictments or pleas
- 5 guilty pleas
- 4 cooperators
Guilty Pleas:
- Rick Gates
- George Papadopoulos
- Ret. Gen. Michael Flynn
- Richard “Ricky” Pinedo
- Alex van der Zwaan

Michael Flynn's plea has been withdrawn and the judge has ordered the Justice department to provide all their material to his lawyers.  Not to mention all those indictments and pleas have nothing to do with Russian collusion over the election they are tax evasion and Martha Stewart crimes.

http://thefederalist.com/2018/02/19/michael-flynns-plea-reversal-uncover-federal-corruption/

 

Not to rain on your Hypocrite parade.   HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA!

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I just finished reading through the entire superseded indictment, and saw some interesting stuff. There's references to "Company A" and "Company B", who are implied to be lobbyist groups that then worked on the behalf of Ukrainian interests. 

What two lobbying groups are known to have worked with Ukraine? Mercury LLC, owned by Vin Weber, a former GOP congressman.... and, you're going to like this @Rebelbacker, The Podesta Group, of course run by Tony Podesta. Now mind you, this doesn't connect directly to Clinton, so don't get your panties wet quite yet.... John Podesta hasn't been a part of the Podesta Group since the early 90s. 

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3 minutes ago, bluerules009 said:

Michael Flynn's plea has been withdrawn and the judge has ordered the Justice department to provide all their material to his lawyers.  Not to mention all those indictments and pleas have nothing to do with Russian collusion over the election they are tax evasion and Martha Stewart crimes.

http://thefederalist.com/2018/02/19/michael-flynns-plea-reversal-uncover-federal-corruption/

 

Not to rain on your Hypocrite parade.   HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA!

I hate to break it to you, oh stable genius that you are, but Flynn's plea was isn't going to be reversed.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2018/02/22/no-a-new-court-filing-doesnt-suggest-that-michael-flynn-is-about-to-be-exonerated/?utm_term=.8cfa9202185f

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4 minutes ago, bluerules009 said:

Michael Flynn's plea has been withdrawn and the judge has ordered the Justice department to provide all their material to his lawyers.  Not to mention all those indictments and pleas have nothing to do with Russian collusion over the election they are tax evasion and Martha Stewart crimes.

http://thefederalist.com/2018/02/19/michael-flynns-plea-reversal-uncover-federal-corruption/

 

Not to rain on your Hypocrite parade.   HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA!

Wishful thinking dummy - His fans & trump fans want him to withdraw his guilty plea - Let's see if he really does 

You wing nuts really grasp at any little rumor - Fun seeing you all run with Hannityspeak like it's based in reality !! 

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