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they tried taking deposits when vegas did a few years ago, but couldn't get the numbers they needed, i heard they were more interested in NBA. but maybe after seeing how successful the golden knights have been, they'll get serious now.

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Season Ticket Drive is March 1st!

It’s official! Seattle’s NHL season ticket drive will be launching March 1st. Today at Mayor Jenny Durkin’s State of the City Address she announced that the season ticket drive will launch March 1st with more information available at NHLSeattle.com.

This is the next big milestone in making NHL to Seattle a reality.

Is there a target number?

If there is a number, it hasn’t been shared. I feel it is more or less a moot point as I expect it to sell out based on a Nielsen report that cited 70,000 people “interested” in a NHL season tickets in the Seattle area. It is not clear if there will be any partial season ticket inside-Hockeyplans available out of the gate. If you want to be part of the inaugural season, then my advice would be to create your own season ticket group. (i.e. find 4 people that want a half season and then get 2 Season tickets.) Full season ticket holders generally get first selection of seats as well.

The Vegas Timeline

Comparing the Seattle process to the Vegas process is a bit of apples and oranges. Back in 2015, Vegas launched their ticket drive February 10th hitting their goal of 10,000 season ticket holders by March 23rd. Then, on June 24th, the NHL announced that it was accepting expansion applications that would due July 20th. The Vegas franchise would not officially be awarded for another year, in June of 2016.

The Seattle process is almost opposite. The application announcement has come before the ticket drive. On December 7th, the NHL announced that they would “accept and consider” expansion application from Seattle. Last week, on February 13th, the league confirmed that it had received the Seattle groups application.

Here is your action plan:

  1. Block your calendar for 10am on March 1st
  2. Peruse the NHLSeattle.com website
  3. Connect to the official NHL Seattle social media outlets:
    a. Instagram
    b. Facebook
    c. Twitter
  4. Plan your season ticket plan – If you are not planning on a full season ticket plan, talk to friends and coworkers about sharing a package. I don’t anticipate there will be any partial plans.
  5. Be at a computer on March 1st at 10 am.
  6. Start saving $

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1 hour ago, 4UNLV said:

they tried taking deposits when vegas did a few years ago, but couldn't get the numbers they needed, i heard they were more interested in NBA. but maybe after seeing how successful the golden knights have been, they'll get serious now.

Seattle never got to the point of having an NHL season ticket drive during the last expansion round.  The problem was the city of Seattle would not make any public funding available for an arena without an NBA team first.  Since there were no NBA teams available for relocation once Sacramento got their new deal with the Kings and with no new NBA expansion teams on the horizon this meant any new NHL stadium would have to be 100% privately financed.  There were 3 interested groups but none of them moved forward with an application to the league so the NHL approved Vegas for expansion but not Quebec.  Now there is an arena deal in place in Seattle even with no NBA franchise currently.  Seattle is a very populated metro are with lots of hockey interest.  Season ticket deposits will not be in issue.

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7 minutes ago, Lester_in_reno said:

move Carolina or Phoenix there.

The next relocation team goes to Quebec City.  They've got an NHL ready arena and hockey mad fans in place.  The NHL wants to get to 32 teams and adding a team in the west will finally even out the west vs east conference balance.

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1 hour ago, NorthWestCowboy said:

Seattle never got to the point of having an NHL season ticket drive during the last expansion round.  The problem was the city of Seattle would not make any public funding available for an arena without an NBA team first.  Since there were no NBA teams available for relocation once Sacramento got their new deal with the Kings and with no new NBA expansion teams on the horizon this meant any new NHL stadium would have to be 100% privately financed.  There were 3 interested groups but none of them moved forward with an application to the league so the NHL approved Vegas for expansion but not Quebec.  Now there is an arena deal in place in Seattle even with no NBA franchise currently.  Seattle is a very populated metro are with lots of hockey interest.  Season ticket deposits will not be in issue.

Wish you guys the best in Seattle.  Vegas Golden Knights are a hot ticket in Vegas.

With no state income tax in WA other teams that come from states that do are gong to love it.  No Jock tax.

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8 minutes ago, NWRebel said:

Wish you guys the best in Seattle.  Vegas Golden Knights are a hot ticket in Vegas.

With no state income tax in WA other teams that come from states that do are gong to love it.  No Jock tax.

It's a nice edge in signing free agents to.  Especially the guys playing for Canadian clubs.  They get hammered north of the border.

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3 hours ago, NorthWestCowboy said:

Seattle never got to the point of having an NHL season ticket drive during the last expansion round.  The problem was the city of Seattle would not make any public funding available for an arena without an NBA team first.  Since there were no NBA teams available for relocation once Sacramento got their new deal with the Kings and with no new NBA expansion teams on the horizon this meant any new NHL stadium would have to be 100% privately financed.  There were 3 interested groups but none of them moved forward with an application to the league so the NHL approved Vegas for expansion but not Quebec.  Now there is an arena deal in place in Seattle even with no NBA franchise currently.  Seattle is a very populated metro are with lots of hockey interest.  Season ticket deposits will not be in issue.

I stand corrected. There was even a little confusion on the radio back then, but of course they were bragging about how Vegas killed it, but that Seattle fans didn’t step up. What you said makes much more sense. 

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I would have thought that they’d go for an nba team to replace the Sonics.

And it looks like they’d remodel/upgrade key arena, which is where the Sonics use to play, and I think the WHL Seattle Thunderbirds play... been a while though since I’ve been to a T-birds game.

Also, a huge problem they’d have to address there is parking! The area around the space needle/world fair grounds is heavily congested, and getting in and out of that area is a bit hard!

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1 hour ago, LoboMan59 said:

I would have thought that they’d go for an nba team to replace the Sonics.

And it looks like they’d remodel/upgrade key arena, which is where the Sonics use to play, and I think the WHL Seattle Thunderbirds play... been a while though since I’ve been to a T-birds game.

Also, a huge problem they’d have to address there is parking! The area around the space needle/world fair grounds is heavily congested, and getting in and out of that area is a bit hard!

Seattle did make a play to get the Kings back when they were having issues with a new arena in Sacramento.  The investment group thats spending $600M to renovate Key Arena is doing so with designs to house both  NHL and NBA teams.  At present only the NHL is interested in expanding.  An additional $40M is being spent on expanded parking and trafic access to the Seattle Center area.

The link below pretty much explains the process Seattle went through to end up where they are now.  Seattle would have had an NHL franchise by now and possibly even before Vegas had the city not signed a Memoradum of Understanding with a previous investor that stipulated no public funding to be made available without an NBA franchise.  For this reason the process of getting an NHL team was delayed until the 6-year MOU agreement expired paving the way for the Oak View Group to invest in Key Arena with the full intention of bringing an NHL franchise to Seattle.  In fact in the last round of NHL expansion where Vegas was awarded a franchise Quebec City was not despite having an NHL ready arena and a historicaly hockey rabid fanbase.  All along the NHL wanted to place the 32nd NHL franchise in the west and in particular in Seattle to balance out the league at 16 teams in the east and 16 in the west.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/carolschram/2017/12/08/nhl-announces-seattle-expansion-plans-ownership-change-for-carolina-hurricanes/#6bcd0311642a

 

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Hope this happens for Seattle, but the Pacific already has 8 teams.  Not sure how they would reform it so Central gets the eighth team it needs.  It would have to be Calgary, Edmonton or Arizona transferring to Central. Can't see them splitting up the Alberta teams.  And Arizona would be way off from the others. 

It'd be easier to add Quebec, put it in Atlantic and move Detroit to Central imo.  That would hurt Seattle's chances at a franchise.  

Will be interesting to see how it all shakes out!

 

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8 hours ago, Boise fan said:

Hope this happens for Seattle, but the Pacific already has 8 teams.  Not sure how they would reform it so Central gets the eighth team it needs.  It would have to be Calgary, Edmonton or Arizona transferring to Central. Can't see them splitting up the Alberta teams.  And Arizona would be way off from the others. 

It'd be easier to add Quebec, put it in Atlantic and move Detroit to Central imo.  That would hurt Seattle's chances at a franchise.  

Will be interesting to see how it all shakes out!

 

The New Western Conference coming for the 2020-21 season

Pacific - Vancouver, Seattle, San Jose, Anaheim, Los Angelas, Las Vegas, Calgary, Edmonton (6 Pacific and 2 Mountain time zone teams)

Central - Arizona, Colorado, Dallas, St. Louis, Chicago, Minnesota, Winnipeg, Nashville (2 Mountain and 6 Central time zone teams)

Eastern Conference remains the same.

Seattle is getting a team as the NHL didn't grant a franchise to Quebec City in the last round specifically with Seattle in mind.  It's all but a done deal.  When creating divisions it's as much or more about time zone than travel distance.  Moving Detroit back to the west is a non-starter and far more intrusive than sliding Arizona to the central.  Detroit being the only eastern time zone team in the west would mean they would not have a single 7 PM (Eastern) start time conference road game.  The Wings would play 14 in division road games with 8 PM start times vs Central time zone teams and 12 within conference non-divisional road games with 9 or 10 PM start times vs Mountain and Pacific time zone teams.  That's a lot of late nights for their fans and players.  Whereas, Arizona if moved to the central division would have 12 in division road games with 6 PM (Mountain) start times vs Central time zone teams, 2 in division road games with 7 PM starts vs Mountain time zone Colorado and 12 within conference non-divsional road games with 8 PM start times vs Pacific time zone teams.  It's far less intrusive to move Arizona within conference than Detroit out of conference.

Division Schedule Total Games
Within Division 4 games × 7 opponents 28
Within Conference, Non-divisional 3 games × 8 opponents 24
Inter-conference 2 games × 15 opponents 30
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8 hours ago, Love the Knight Life said:

Old time hockey and NHL fan here.  I'm with you here.

The NHL just added a non traditional market, Las Vegas. The next expansion or relocation should go to a traditional market. Quebec City checks that box.  QC does check the traditional market box but it doesn't check the box the NHL owners are most concerned with and thats the growth box.  Virtually every prospective Nordiques 2.0 fan is already an NHL consumer.   The owners like new non-traditional markets as it's a long term play to grow the overall business and create new fans, new consmers for their product.  It's frustrating for us old time NHL fans and especially so for those in Canada but it's the reality of the business of hockey.

if Seattle gets a new arena, getting the Sonics back is going to be their priority. Bettman has already fought that fight in Phoenix. He and the league lost mightily.  There is no 'if' as of early December the Oak View Group has a city approved renovation project ready to kick off this spring and a lease agreement with the city for Key Arena.  The deal involves $640M private investment for renovation, added parking and traffic access improvements.  Bringing the NBA back has been Seattle's focus ever since the Sonics left.  Three things have happened that have changed this NBA first approach in Seattle.  First the Kings got a new arena in Sacramento ending that organizations possible move to Seattle.  Second a 6-year MOU between Seattle and a potential arena investor came to an end.  That MOU stipulated no public funds for any arena that didn't have an NBA tennent lined up.  Third the Oak View Group which is now the approved arena investor has no problem with brining an NHL team first.  Their goal is to attract an NBA franchise as well but the NHL is expanding now and the NBA isn't just yet.  It's all but a done deal with the NHL accepting Seattles appication for a new franchise now that the arena hurdle is gone.  Finally, when it comes to non-traditional hockey markets Seattle and Phoenix have almost nothing in common.  The NHL will not struggle in Seattle as it has in Phoenix.

Quebec City's first and only priority is going to be the Nordiques.  QC will eventually get a franchise but it will be a relocation rather than an expansion.  There are three teams that unless things change could be on the move in the coming seasons.  Carolina just got a new owner and part of that sale stipulates the team cannot apply for relocation for 7 years.  Basically, Carolina has 7 years to turn things around both on the ice and in the stands (worst attendance in the league for quite a few years now).  If they can't the Hurricanes will be on the move.  The Panthers have lost more money than any other franchise in recent years and their attendance is poor season after season.  The Coyotes without a new arena in a better location are always in danger of relocation.  One of these 3 teams will end up in QC within the next 2-7 years.

 

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The Seattle -Vancouver Canuck rivalry would be very strong and fun to be a part of. A 3 hour drive from ea other, Canuck fans would be sure to drive down and fill the Seattle arena. 

Seattle residents don't realize yet how fun it would be.  

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41 minutes ago, SalinasSpartan said:

They should move Calgary and Edmonton to the Central and put Colorado in the Pacific. 

It's a possibility although I'm not sure the league will want to move three teams when it could just move one.  

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On 2/25/2018 at 7:42 AM, Love the Knight Life said:

All good points guys. A traditional market is an area like where I grew up. A place where hockey has always been played, and it is part of the patrimony. QC is a traditional market and hockey town in every sense of those terms.

if the Sonics deal falls through then that changes things. Bettman should expand to Seattle if they're willing to help with the arena. It would be as big of a success as SJ or Las Vegas. 

 

 

 

I've no idea what you are talking about.  There is NO Sonics deal at present and the NBA has nothing to do with Seattle at this time.  The city of Seattle IS helping with an arena as the arena the city already owns (i.e. Key Arena) IS being renovated to the tune of $640M beginning this spring by the same investment group that HAS  submitted an application to the NHL for a new franchise and WILL begin a season ticket drive on March 1st.  Quebec City with it's rabid traditional hockey fanbase, NHL ready arena and franchise investors who submitted an application to the NHL the same time as Las Vegas were NOT granted a franchise by the league.  The NHL owners have made it clear they WANT a franchise in Seattle and were only waiting for the arena situation to fall in place which it HAS.  The NHL to Seattle is all but a done deal.  And it's all happened without the NBA and in a 'non-traditional' hockey market.

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