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U.S. grand jury indicts 13 Russian nationals, three entities in alleged election meddling

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59 minutes ago, GoState99755 said:

 

If El Donald didn't deny Russian involvement in the Nov 2016 Elections, would we be wasting all this time & $$$ indicting Russian Spies?

 

Yes.

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2 hours ago, Rebelbacker said:

It's always been vulnerable and other nations have tried to subvert our democracy almost from inception. This isn't new. 

I'll agree that social media throws a new twist into this. The indictment clearly spells out that the goal was to incite chaos and they were successful. 

That's my worry. The press has always been an integral part of our political system and society (hell, its powers are enshrined in the bill of rights for a reason). Now it's far more monolithic and far easier to co-opt than it ever has been. 

2 hours ago, Rebelbacker said:

Let's not forget we aren't innocent here. The US has a long history of doing things like this all over the world. 

Sure, and it was generally terrible for the nations involved and they, reasonably, resisted our efforts.

The difference is they often couldn't compete with our meddling because we outclassed them in every aspect. They weren't able to stop us not from will but from ability. Us not having the will to protect our own soul is worse, to me. 

2 hours ago, Rebelbacker said:

I'm not dismissing this at all and I don't think our intelligence services are either. There are plenty of things we could do to undermine Putin and I think we are. 

No, you never have. 

2 hours ago, Rebelbacker said:

The danger to the Republic comes from within. All the Russians did was amplify our differences. If this nation fails it is because we allowed it to. 

I'd somewhat disagree. No nation is ever fully insulated from exterior threats. An unarmed human may pose no threat to a tiger, but if the tiger sits there while the human bashes on its head with a rock, eventually you'll have a dead tiger. 

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4 hours ago, pokerider said:

The liberals in charge have never tried to get to the truth, they only wanted to bring down Trump and they thought connecting Trump to any Russian meddling would do that.  If it was just Russian meddling, without any specifics regarding Trump, there wouldn't have even been an investigation. 

What liberals in charge?

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5 hours ago, Rebelbacker said:

There is zero chance. Good luck getting them out of Russia. We don't have an extradition treaty with them.

I'd advise you to read the full indictment. You won't understand it, so I'll help you later.

So we find out the Russians wanted cause chaos in our democracy. No shit. They've been trying to do that for 80 years. 

One more guilty plea two weeks ago, and one more cooperating witness.

Verification of Steele’s claim in July of 2016 that the the Russians were interfereing in our election in order to get Trump elected.

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4 hours ago, happycamper said:

This is total bullshit and stupid on so many levels.

First off, the Republican leadership is supportive of the investigation. 

Secondly, the "liberals in charge" aren't. They're minority leaders. They have some power but they sure as hell aren't in charge. And... guess what? There's been whispers of maybe impeachment but there have been shouts of "election meddling". That's a totally different story.

Third, why do you think that the liberals don't care if the Russians meddle? Do you think that Russians have a hard on for republicans? No dude. They did what they could to decrease trust in the system itself. Hell if Bernie where the Democratic candidate don't you think they would have had bernie bro bots? Hell, what makes you think that htey DIDN'T have bernie bro bots?

You see everyone else as cynical and you don't seem to care because the other team is mad. You're happy to see Russia tromp all over our soveriegnty because, hey, libz mad! You are, in effect, more Republican than you are American.

They did have Bernie bro bots...

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Just now, jackmormon said:

One more guilty plea two weeks ago, and one more cooperating witness.

Verification of Steele’s claim in July of 2016 that the the Russians were interfereing in our election in order to get Trump elected.

LOL! You take this as a verification that the Russians were interfering to get Trump elected? You better tell Mueller that because the indictment said NO AMERICAN COLLUDED with the Russians. Oh and BTW, both candidates as well as Rubio and Cruz were targets. 

What a shock you didn't understand it. 

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3 minutes ago, Rebelbacker said:

LOL! You take this as a verification that the Russians were interfering to get Trump elected? You better tell Mueller that because the indictment said NO AMERICAN COLLUDED with the Russians. Oh and BTW, both candidates as well as Rubio and Cruz were targets. 

What a shock you didn't understand it.

The indictment says they did it to help Trump get elected.

Rosenstein said no evidence of American involvement with these Russians.

 

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18 minutes ago, Rebelbacker said:

LOL! You take this as a verification that the Russians were interfering to get Trump elected? You better tell Mueller that because the indictment said NO AMERICAN COLLUDED with the Russians. Oh and BTW, both candidates as well as Rubio and Cruz were targets. 

What a shock you didn't understand it. 

PS. Evidently you missed the part about one more guilty plea and one more cooperating witness.

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16 minutes ago, jackmormon said:

The indictment says they did it to help Trump get elected.

Rosenstein said no evidence of American involvement with these Russians.

 

You need to read it again. 

“The indictment alleges that the Russian conspirators want to promote discord in the United States and undermine public confidence in democracy," he said. "We must not allow them to succeed.”

Special counsel Robert Mueller on Friday charged 13 Russian nationals and three Russian companies for allegedly carrying out what they called “information warfare against the United States,” with the expressed goal of spreading “distrust towards the candidates and the political system in general.” 

Rosenstein noted there is no allegation in the indictment that any American had any knowledge of the alleged conspiracy, and that the Russian defendants took steps to conceal their efforts.

He also said there is nothing in the indictment that concludes the effort altered the election.

http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/374260-rosenstein-announces-indictments-of-13-russians-for-interfering-in

11 minutes ago, jackmormon said:

PS. Evidently you missed the part about one more guilty plea and one more cooperating witness.

Oh, I know about Richard Pinedo. 

While the criminal charge against Pinedo says he knowingly dealt with people outside the United States — both in buying and selling account numbers — a law enforcement official said there is no evidence that he knew he was dealing with a Russian intelligence operation.He profited "tens of thousands of dollars" from the sale of banking information online through Auction Essistance, according to court documents.Pinedo's defense attorney, Jeremy Lessem, issued a statement Friday afternoon acknowledging his client's guilt, but contending he had no knowledge of a Russian plot to manipulate the election.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-richard-pinedo-mueller-investigation-20180216-story.html

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23 minutes ago, Rebelbacker said:

You need to read it again. 

“The indictment alleges that the Russian conspirators want to promote discord in the United States and undermine public confidence in democracy," he said. "We must not allow them to succeed.”

Special counsel Robert Mueller on Friday charged 13 Russian nationals and three Russian companies for allegedly carrying out what they called “information warfare against the United States,” with the expressed goal of spreading “distrust towards the candidates and the political system in general.” 

Rosenstein noted there is no allegation in the indictment that any American had any knowledge of the alleged conspiracy, and that the Russian defendants took steps to conceal their efforts.

He also said there is nothing in the indictment that concludes the effort altered the election.

http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/374260-rosenstein-announces-indictments-of-13-russians-for-interfering-in

 

6. Defendant ORGANIZATION had a strategic goal to sow discord in the U.S. political system, including the 2016 U.S. presidential election. Defendants posted derogatory information about a number of candidates, and by early to mid-2016, Defendants' operations included supporting the presidential campaign of then-candidate Donald J. Trump ("Trump Campaign") and disparaging Hillary Clinton.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/02/rosenstein-mueller-indictment-russia/553601/

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Special counsel Robert Mueller's office announced on Friday that California resident Richard Pinedo pleaded guilty to one count of identity fraud on February 12, according to court documents.

Pinedo, who is the first American to be charged with aiding Russia's influence operation, is cooperating with Mueller's investigators following his plea deal. 

"This doesn't mean that there won't be additional charges to come," said former federal prosecutor Renato Mariotti. "The charge against Pinedo will likely result in a light sentence for him, particularly given his cooperation." 

But "the question remains: did anyone in the Trump campaign, or anyone else involved in US politics knowingly aid the Russians?" Mariotti said. "In other words, did they know about the Russian operation and help" it succeed?

http://www.businessinsider.com/richard-pinedo-pleaded-guilty-to-aiding-russia-is-cooperating-with-mueller-2018-2

 

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17 minutes ago, jackmormon said:

6. Defendant ORGANIZATION had a strategic goal to sow discord in the U.S. political system, including the 2016 U.S. presidential election. Defendants posted derogatory information about a number of candidates, and by early to mid-2016, Defendants' operations included supporting the presidential campaign of then-candidate Donald J. Trump ("Trump Campaign") and disparaging Hillary Clinton.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/02/rosenstein-mueller-indictment-russia/553601/

Did you miss the other 96 points?

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